Max mana build

[Nilaripper]

I wonder if there is a calculator for a max mana build that includes all possible sources of mana sc 20/17 gc 45/60,rare ammy with "great wyrm" mod(+90) and "wizardry" mod(+20),wizardspike,shako..etc.
I found energy calculators,manashield calculators, manaregeneration calculators but no such thing that could calculate the max possible mana on a sorceress(= her insane energy bulb), including a lvl55 bo from a barb.The mod 15% max mana increase also confuses me:Does it increase the +mana on gear only or the +energy/+stat(anni+torch) aswell?
I know that "battle orders" only multiply the +life and + mana not the +stats.
If someone ever tried to figure that out please show me a linki would appreciate it.

[Frosty_The_Snowman]

It could be funny to list all the items that maximize the mana orb. Are you thinking about building an Energy Shield sorceress with max mana orb :scratch: ?

[ToThePoint]

I wonder if there is a calculator for a max mana build that includes all possible sources of mana sc 20/17 gc 45/60,rare ammy with "great wyrm" mod(+90) and "wizardry" mod(+20),wizardspike,shako..etc.
I found energy calculators,manashield calculators, manaregeneration calculators but no such thing that could calculate the max possible mana on a sorceress(= her insane energy bulb), including a lvl55 bo from a barb.The mod 15% max mana increase also confuses me:Does it increase the +mana on gear only or the +energy/+stat(anni+torch) aswell?
I know that "battle orders" only multiply the +life and + mana not the +stats.
If someone ever tried to figure that out please show me a linki would appreciate it.never seen one or seen anyone needing one - easiest prolly to make your own little spreadsheet
+%mana is same as bo - only multiples +mana on gear and base mana from hard points in energy and lvl. (mana/lvl doesn't multiply either)

[Nilaripper]

It could be funny to list all the items that maximize the mana orb. Are you thinking about building an Energy Shield sorceress with max mana orb :scratch: ?


Indeed, i am just building a nova sorc with max TK and max ES,her stash i filled with life/mana sc/lc/gc along with anni and torch.The idea is to make this baby unable to be one hit killed by TPPks on HCL.I was lucky to roll a+6bo cta and my life is base and i reach 3300 mana at the moment(lvl79 so far).
I did some research for a max mana build:

The list for a lvl90 sorc

Helmet:shako. +1.5 per lvl =+135 mana socket sur(+5% mana)
Amulet: Bahamuts Amulet of Enlightment:+120mana+30 energy
2nd choice:rare +2 sorc +90mana+20 energy(+mods, resis)
Weapon:Wizardspike:+15% mana +180 mana +*** Tourquoise of Knowledge+20mana+9 en
Armor: 4 socketed sur +20%mana
Belt:glooms trap +15%mana
Gloves:Frostbrand +40% mana
Shoes: Silkweaves +10% mana
Shield: 4 sock monarch sur = +200 mana
rings: 2 sojs +50% mana +40 mana
2nd choice: 2rare rings +90 mana,+20 energy(+ mods)=+180mana+40 energy

Inventory:
10 sc serpents of vita= +170 mana
9 gc serpents of vita=+531 mana
+20 anni+20 torch

Total:
+%(with sojs)=+155%mana(+135% if you replace it with enigma for + str)
+mana=+1396mana(boable)
+energy=+79(not bo-able)
stats:+2 mana each lvl for sorc= +178 mana(lvl 90)(not bo-able??)
+35 energy base:+89 *5 +15(lam esen)=460 possible points in energy(not quite realistic, str + dex needed to equip stuff)
..lets say 400 energy(Bo-able by barb)

and finally lvl55 bo(+194%??? mana),(lvl57 with skill shrine)
result: i have no idea how high the mana bulb is:brainiac:

[ToThePoint]

as said above shako isnt best for max mana and prolly not wiz or some other choices choices due to +mana/lvl+energy
spirit and circlet with +mana be better.
make spreadsheet and try stuff out

[helvete]

TO helm gives 150 mana... which is BOable, so much much more than shako

[Nilaripper]

TO helm gives 150 mana... which is BOable, so much much more than shako

Yes, you are right, but until today i always believed that shako was/is the best helmet for maximizing life/mana.(espescially for sorces).+mana/ life per lvl is not BOable, well it is new for me.:laughing:
The % increase of mana: does it increase the +mana per lvl or just the +mana?
The stat points you put into energy are they increased by the +max%?
The stat points received from items seem not to be affected +max%, because they are not BOable.
If mana is increased by +% from items, is the total mana after the increase BOed or just the "base mana"(from stat points invested and +mana from items)?

It is not easy to sort that out,the mods on wizzardspike/shako are that godly(+skills/life/resis/+%max mana) that it is not worse than spirit/To helmet.(but the total mana seems to be higher)

[PhatTrumpet]

1. +max% works just like BO and they are actually added together before being applied AFAIK.
2. Stat points invested in energy increase your base mana, so of course they are affected by +max%.
3. This sounds correct.
4. See #1.

[Frosty_The_Snowman]

Shield: 4 sock monarch sur = +200 manaDid you think about Lidless Wall ? It gives 10 Energy and 10% Mana. Under certain circumstances, it may be better than a raw +200 Mana :scratch: ?

[Nilaripper]

Did you think about Lidless Wall ? It gives 10 Energy and 10% Mana. Under certain circumstances, it may be better than a raw +200 Mana :scratch: ?

I know the 4 sur shield is ridiculous,but its just about finding a max mana source for a max mana bulb.The 10 energy is not BOable, while the +200mana is.I think a nice spirit shield is much better than lidless:+112mana(BOable).

[helvete]

But the Lidless Wall can be socketed with Sur, giving it 50 mana 10nrgy 10%maxmana which is better than 200 raw mana if you already have a lot of raw mana from charms, Psapphire TO helm, and so on. 10%maxmana is, what, 3.333333 lvls of BO?

[Nilaripper]

Finally i sorted out the BO-able and nonBO-able parts and did some calculations with three different builds(all lvl90):

A. The max mana build:

Helmet:TO-helm sock pf Sapphire
Amulet:Bahamut of Enlightment
Weapon:Spirit sword
Armor:4 pf Sapphire of the whale
Belt:Glooms trap
Gloves:Frosties
Shoes:Silkweaves
Shield:Lidless eye socketed "sur"
rings:2 sojs
pf anni,pf torch
9 gc 45/59
10 sc 20/17
BO-lvl:57

Mana bulb:10259
life:2411
fcr:35
resists:+70 all,not max all in hell difficulty
warmth lvl20
meditation:lvl17
mana recovery per second:916,75
max block:nope
%dr:nope

B. The HCL build

Helmet:Shako pf Sapphire
Amulet:mara+30resall
Weapon:wizzy sock shimmering *** of knowledge
Armor:Guardian Angel pf sapphire
Belt:Arachnid mesh
Gloves:Frosties
Shoes:Waterwalks +65 life
Shield:stormshield socketed "sur"
rings:2 sojs
pf anni,pf torch
9 gc 45/59
10 sc 20/17
BO-lvl:57

Mana bulb:6980
life:2376
fcr:70
resists:190+ all,+90all all in hell difficulty
warmth lvl20
meditation:lvl17
mana recovery per second:638,12
max block:yes
%dr:45

Own BO(lvl17)
mana:4960
life: 1524

C.The rare jewelry/enigma build

Helmet:TO-helm sock pf Sapphire
Amulet:+2 skills,+90mana+60life+mods
Weapon:Spirit sword
Armor:Enigma runeword
Belt:Glooms trap
Gloves:Frosties
Shoes:Silkweaves
Shield:monarch 4 sockets "sur"
rings:2 rare rings+90 mana+40 life+mods
pf anni,pf torch
9 gc 45/59
10 sc 20/17
BO-lvl:57

Mana bulb:9237
life:2532
fcr:75(possible with 2+10fcr rings and +20 fcr amulet)
resists:70+ (depends on res mods on jewelry)all,not max in hell difficulty
warmth lvl20
meditation:lvl17
mana recovery per second:825
max block:nope
%dr:nope

Thanks to Frosty_the_Snowman,ToThePoint,helvete,PhatTrumpet for finding flaws and errors.

[helvete]

First builds DCR is 55 not 35. Lidless has 20%.

Also, using a JmoD withs surs would help blocking a good deal.