oh why are people still so dumb: cow king

[-Tempus-]

oh why is it that so many people still dont understand how the cow lev works. after so many yrs of this gaming it seems you get 50% or more of the people in cow games yelling about this or that.

dont kill the king
leave the party if you are going to kill the king
if you kill the king then everyone cant make

blah blah blah

i must have spent 15 mins trying to tell the group i was with how it works after i saw 8 stamina pots on the ground next to king. in the next game it became all my fault because my little barb (thats cant make the tp since he is still in act1) and has already killed the nm king 10x.

the lev 70 sorc, Gorilla-Fifty seems to think everyone that plays diablo is a "noob" and there isnt anything in the game like a cow quest that deals with the cow king :rolleyes:

i just see whats so hard to understand about how it works. if you can make the red tp you dont get close to the king, if you arent sure you dont get close to the king. leaving the party doesnt do a damn thing and calling others "noob" only makes you a "noob"

-Tempus-

[goomba]

oh why is it that so many people still dont understand how the cow lev works. after so many yrs of this gaming it seems you get 50% or more of the people in cow games yelling about this or that.

dont kill the king
leave the party if you are going to kill the king
if you kill the king then everyone cant make

blah blah blah

i must have spent 15 mins trying to tell the group i was with how it works after i saw 8 stamina pots on the ground next to king. in the next game it became all my fault because my little barb (thats cant make the tp since he is still in act1) and has already killed the nm king 10x.

the lev 70 sorc, Gorilla-Fifty seems to think everyone that plays diablo is a "noob" and there isnt anything in the game like a cow quest that deals with the cow king :rolleyes:

i just see whats so hard to understand about how it works. if you can make the red tp you dont get close to the king, if you arent sure you dont get close to the king. leaving the party doesnt do a damn thing and calling others "noob" only makes you a "noob"

-Tempus-

actually, leaving the party prior to the king hitting anyone, or vice versa does in fact preserve the ability to make cow levels in my experience. even better if the maker is in town from again, my personal experience.

however, as you stated, if you haven't killed nm D, then you can kill cow king all you want, and once you kill D, you can still make nm cows.

there is however, some "virgin" king thing that I will confess to not fully understanding (nor care to, cause I only cow for brand new characters to rapidly get from 20-30, after that it's hell cs runs, (or flayer runs if baba) )

[Demek]

i read somewhere that u score king when u hit him and he dies before u leave game etc
from my experience if u kill king and havent killed Diablo, u cant make cows anyway
i am not sure but i think the usual boss scoring (mef diablo etc) should apply
well, i may be wrong, someone tested it ?

[Jezza]

Ok here is how it actually works.

If you kill king for the first time, you lose the quest. Even if you havn't the abiliity to make cows yet (ie, haven't completed that difficulty) and you kill king, you lose quest.

If your in cow level (partied or unpartied) and someone kills king who hasn't done so before, you lose the quest (even if you can't make cows due to not completing the difficulty.

If your in act 1 or anywhere that is not the cow level and someone kills king that hasn't done so before, you are fine and wont lose quest.

If someone kills the king who has already killed the king before, you won't lose quest.

So thats how it is, as long as no-one who hasn't killed king previously does not kill king, your fine. If anyone kills king who hasn't done so previously, and your in the cow level, you lose the quest (the quest signifying that you can still make cows).

[Locke07]

Jezza I disagree with you. If you have not killed Diablo in that difficulty you can in fact kill the king and be able to make Cows after you beat diablo. I have done this countless of times when playing power character builds such as WW barbs, Blizz sorc or my Hammerdin. It's a simple test of getting a ww barb to 30, put on bsnap enter cow lvl kill king then go and kill Diablo for quest then you can be able to make cow level.

Locke07

[-Tempus-]

The Cow King (http://forums.diabloii.net/showthread.php?t=341175) archived by Dredd in the Community Links page its also here in the Classic forum.

If you kill king for the first time, you lose the quest. Even if you havn't the abiliity to make cows yet (ie, haven't completed that difficulty) and you kill king, you lose quest.

well thats wrong

If your in cow level (partied or unpartied) and someone kills king who hasn't done so before, you lose the quest (even if you can't make cows due to not completing the difficulty.

the partied or not is right, but the "hasnt done it before" isnt. its if that person can make the portal or not and then kills the king.

If your in act 1 or anywhere that is not the cow level and someone kills king that hasn't done so before, you are fine and wont lose quest.

that one is right

If someone kills the king who has already killed the king before, you won't lose quest.

thats kind of right but again its if they can make the portal or not and then kill the king.

Locke07 is right on everything

when i lev most of my mules in classic i'll have them do a few cow games starting at lev 22-25 none of them have killed normal diablo so they kill the king all they want and wont lose the "cow quest" once they are +30 i'll have them kill diablo so they can move on to nm or come back to normal and make the cow portal for people. what happens most of the time is someone else will kill the king not knowing how the quest works. when the king is killed for the "cow quest" he will drop 8 stamina pots.

the only people that are safe to kill the king are the ones that havent killed diablo in that lev game yet (so they cant make the red portal or take party members blue portal down) or the people that have killed diablo in that lev game but cant make the portal anymore because they or someone else killed the king for the "cow quest" in that lev game.

the only thing that messes that up is when someone kills the king for the quest and you arent near to see it happen. later when you go and try and make the portal you find you cant because someone messed it up for ya.

-Tempus-

[Dacar92]

Thanks Tempus for linking to that thread. I will stick it later today.

[Fearlessone]

Shame on u Jezza. You should stick to cs runs :grin:.

Hi Tempus.

There is a history behind all of this causing some of these misperceptions. Haven't there been at least 2-3 changes:

Early on, 6 years ago, players were making zillions of cow and going down to kill just the King, for the loot. So Blizzard made it so there was a hidden quest, and you could lose the ability to make the red portal.

At some point if, on your minimap, you saw some goofball barb(always with a total lack of communication skills) tear off for the King (prob not a virgin, and prob only for the loot, but you could never be sure), couldn't you leave the party and not lose the ability to make the portal, even if he killed the king for the first time? I know this is not a current option.

In 1.07 or 1.08 the exp received from a cow became comensurate with their difficulty - their hitpoints, not to mention the damage they dealt. That is, instead of being an act1-type level monster, a cow became a mlvl of 78(same as a typical act4), giving good exp up until about clvl87. This caused an end to river runs and most cs runs and a gold rush to the cow level. (And praise be, I could get 3M gold in 1-2 hours easy for gambling, without a timer winding down or having to kill anything.) Now, in 1.10, the cows are still mlvl 78(are they? I cant log into Monsters(Darkness) anymore). Like all monsters, 1.10 increased their hitpoints in classic, but exp gained from them conversely was drastically reduced!!!

The red portal became accessible to anyone in act1 (except hostiles) in 1.10. Before that only those who had killed diablo in that difficulty could use it.

Was there ever a time where you could be in a party in the cow level and some member of the party would kill the king from more than several screens away and you would still be safe? I remember often that the portal maker and party leader would have maphack and be carefully watching where the King was.