make New barb already?

[UltBerserker]

Well I made a BvB..but I suck so bad lol.
and all those BvB games, no legit BvB's...They're all freaking teleporting around and then sorcs/necros/hammerdins all come out of nowhere and kill me.:starry:

Im using
arreats/40ed15max
SS/40ed15max
AP fort
EBOTD CB 395% ED
Gores
Dracs
One 3+BO CTA(secondary)
Imp brow ammy/2X ravens
Charms I got Barb torch, 2x 290psn sc, 14Res. GC.

My skill setup is
20 to sword mastery
20 to shout
20 to BO
20 to WW
1 to nat. res.
rest iron skin

60 strength
nothing to Dex
rest to vitality
nothing to Energy

Perhaps I should make a different kind of barb, and also use an axe.
Give me some thoughts please.:embarassed:

thanks

[bigballerpaul]

Have you tried using an Enigma in your duels? I would give a conc barb a try. You already have all the gear you need, just switch up the skills.

[UltBerserker]

Have you tried using an Enigma in your duels? I would give a conc barb a try. You already have all the gear you need, just switch up the skills.

The thing is, I don't like the fact that barbs are teleporting around, and also the fort is giving me a lotta benefits. And if I don't have it, I doub't Ill have an easier time killing another barb with teleportation anyways. And I'm a WW barb.

Concentration also needs tons of damage. Attack rating would be solved with angelics set, but in my eyes WW barbs would still own me while Im trying to hit them.

[anotherlaughingman]

hey what is your block rate w/ base dex?

side note: if you wanna bvb, im east NL. pm me if you are intrested.

[Eilo Rytyj]

You could try get your hands on a Grief Zweihander, though not as common as Zerkers or Phase Blades, have range 3 and any IAS roll will get you max WW speed.

Also, you listed that your Dex was base. Do you have max block with the SS? It's a must vs. other Barbs and melee'ers (except Smiters). Other barbs will most likely have high defence, so go with either Angelic's combo, or Hsaru's Belt+Boots for the AR.

Get a hold of some AR/Max dmg/Life scs or gcs, or just AR/lifers, they help immensely.

[calibansfury]

QUOTE=UltBerserker]Well I made a BvB..but I suck so bad lol.
and all those BvB games, no legit BvB's...They're all freaking teleporting around and then sorcs/necros/hammerdins all come out of nowhere and kill me.

Im using
arreats/40ed15max
SS/40ed15max
AP fort
EBOTD CB 395% ED
Gores
Dracs
One 3+BO CTA(secondary)
Imp brow ammy/2X ravens
Charms I got Barb torch, 2x 290psn sc, 14Res. GC.

My skill setup is
20 to sword mastery
20 to shout
20 to BO
20 to WW
1 to nat. res.
rest iron skin

60 strength
nothing to Dex
rest to vitality
nothing to Energy

Perhaps I should make a different kind of barb, and also use an axe.
Give me some thoughts please
thanks[/QUOTE]

Ok, yes, you need to rebuild this barb. It's awful. I'm not coming down on you, but you probably played other characters before now. Where you got this expensive gear for your Barb having not played one much, I don't know, but that's a different topic.:wink2:

First, you fell into the ebotd trap, that lets you think that, because of it's low equipping requirements, you don't need much in strength. This is wrong. 1 point to strength is 1% in ED. That being said, you don't need a TON more strength, but you need more. But, the reason why you're dying is...

DEXTERITY. Dude, you can't have base dex and be a BvB. A BvC doesn't even have base dex in most cases (high torch+anni, maybe). A BvB MUST--I REPEAT--MUST have max block. That's why you're dying. A BvB with a sheild should destroy a dual wield Enigma barb. You'd block 75% of their attacks, while they simply can't block. Your AR and Def are MUCH higher. Not hard to figure out the winner.

Vita isn't going to be what it is for a BvC. Your BO, (and where's your 1 point into BC?), your Shout and your Ironskin, along with your solid armor, will provide great protection, so you don't need as much vita. Also, you're not going to be going after high damage casters who can just tele away from you. You're a melee specialist, which means you destroy other barbs, zealers, wolves, bears, ww sins, and chargers. Stay away from casters. Those meatbags are for the BvC's.

Your gear needs adjustment. I'd recommend a griefz, don't even bother arguing BOTD's virtues over it. Griefz is better, period. But, you'll do fine with your sword if you MUST keep it. But you'll lose to griefers.

So, there goes a lot of your stats. Don't worry, you'll lose more.

You need angelics ammy and rings for AR. Dual Ravens wont come close. There goes more dex!

Given that you can get your hands on two, count 'em, TWO 40/15's....:scratch:, I'm thinking you can afford a CoA, preferably Ber Ber'd.

Oh, throw in a perfect dungos while you're at it. :jig:

Trade your CTA away and use it to get your grief, and put two echoing weapons on switch. A barb with a CTA is redundant.

Get your hands on as many AR and life charms as you can, get rid of the resist all charm (not necessary for BvB duels), and try to get an anni.

Given that your ww attack speed isn't increased by the 40/15's, and I think :brainiac: that the ed only effects the base damage of the weapon on grief, those aren't doing you a lot of good. Consider a ber in each if you can't get a CoA, as you need to do what you can to reach 50%DR to survive a good BvB duel.

With that, best of luck!

calibansfury
staggeringly handsome barbarian expert
USWest

[UltBerserker]

lol wow ok, let me get this straight. Aren't grief zerkers worth tons? And CoA's?? And will decent strings do all right rather then perfect dungos?

arreats/40ed15max
SS/40ed15max
AP fort
Eth Grief Zerker??
Gores
Dracs
String of ears
Two echo spears(secondary)
Angelics rings/ammy
Charms Barb torch, Anni, 3/20/20's?


My skill setup is
20 to sword mastery
20 to shout
20 to BO
20 to WW
1 to BC
1 to nat. res.
rest iron skin

I think I got that part down. But Im confused as for the attributes setup?

and I have 72% block.

thanks

[bigballerpaul]

[QUOTE] Concentration also needs tons of damage. [QUOTE]

With the gear you are using now, your conc damage will be enough. More than your WW. And you will not be getting hit as much because your defense boosts as you attack with conc. You can read Hal's conc guide if you want more information about this.

If you are just hellbent on WW, then you are going to have to take calibansfury's advice and get some damage reduction. A string will work just as well. And Angelics will help more than you could imagine. It's your AR that is lacking. All the damage in the world won't help if you aren't hitting: the barbs you are dueling probably have 15-25k defense and max block and 50% damage reduction (You need AR). And if you can get ahold of one, I'd try an enigma. If that is what the other barbs are killing you with, then why not even the playing field.

[calibansfury]

[QUOTE] Concentration also needs tons of damage. [QUOTE]

If you are just hellbent on WW, then you are going to have to take calibansfury's advice and get some damage reduction. And if you can get ahold of one, I'd try an enigma. If that is what the other barbs are killing you with, then why not even the playing field.


Yep.

The enigma BvB builds came about as a result of figuring out that, while high strength levels were great for EBOTD's (god I loved the damage on my ebotd war pike titan :wink2: ) , it doesn't really boost your damage to fantastic levels with grief--proof given by blob-style BvC's having near-base strength and still being able to kill hearty (4K+life) characters of any other class/build.

So, this allows you to not worry about strength as much, get that block maxed, and get some fat vita. Being able to tele on top of someone, whirl, and vanish also never hurt.:evil:

calibansfury

[Ce Olba]

lol wow ok, let me get this straight. Aren't grief zerkers worth tons? And CoA's?? And will decent strings do all right rather then perfect dungos?

Considering your other gear, no it's not that expensive.


arreats/40ed15max
SS/40ed15max
AP fort
Eth Grief Zerker??
Gores
Dracs
String of ears
Two echo spears(secondary)
Angelics rings/ammy
Charms Barb torch, Anni, 3/20/20's?
?

Get rid of the ed/max jewels, they're bugged. The +ED% only works on your minimum damage. Also, using, making or posessing an Ethereal Grief Zerk is very rare. Such items are surely hacked, as there's no point in making a non-eth-bugged Grief Zerker as it will break quickly, so you need to have an eth-bugged Zerker, but you also need it on Ladder, so it must have been hacked to there in some way.


and I have 72% block.



Not enough. You need 75%.

[SicHalo]

conc barb is a waste vs WW u will still lose, enigma will make a difference as most BvB games get over run with caster etc so having tele is not such a bad idea or atleast having one on switch.

Secondly u are lacking 3% off max block ravens also are not the greatest choice in BvB as u lack ar compared to duel angelics + amu and i see ur relly on the botd + the 2 ravens for ur dex which is not such a good idea giving that ur ar will be lowere than typical BvBs u will also be tied down to using botd only as u wont have maxblock without, and Grief is the better weapon due to the nice average dmg and tight dmg ranges.

[psych]

The the op

Before doing anything else I suggest you read 1 or 2 of the stickied guides. That will give you a lot to work with already. No offense intended.