Something I am Afraid Of

[Locke07]

I noticed in a post here on the forums, someone speculated that the new ladder season might be on it's way due to a post made on Bnet Forums about what people would like to see in an up comming patch. This scares me. Why? The last 2 patches have done nothing but ruin our classic world, by increasing the difficulty of LOD it in turn makes the classic world suffer, and if that patch were to hit say within the next month coupled with a ladder reset, I would be scared for the simple fact that it shows that Blizzard no longer cares about their customers. The fact that it seems to me they are simply going to think of a bunch of things that certain people want added into the game and then turning it loose without a BETA or even extensive play testing seems to me that they no longer care.

Locke

[deathisdeadly]

It's simple. You're obviously a classic player. And classic d2 is outdated. Notice you don't hear about how great Starcraft and WC are anymore? WoW man!

Blizzard has done an awesome job keeping up with LoD. The world events have done wonders for the whole LoD population. Classic is nothing but a change-up now.

[fledgeling]

actually starcraft is pretty popular
in south korea it is very popular

[deathisdeadly]

What I meant to say is how great they are according to Blizzard. They really dont hype up their older games as much as they used to. Of course there are people on this forum who say Classic is the greatest thing that could've happend to d2.

[goomba]

What I meant to say is how great they are according to Blizzard. They really dont hype up their older games as much as they used to. Of course there are people on this forum who say Classic is the greatest thing that could've happend to d2.

interesting outlook, has me curious as to why you are here in the classic forum.

from this post, and the one above it, I am inferring that you are more of a fan of LOD.

Interestingly enough, I have never purchased, loaded, or played LOD, and neither do I have any interest in doing so.

from what I have read of LOD, the duping, the charms, the chants, and the cross breed skill trees, in some ways it reminds me too much of D1, played with Ray's trainer, and the ability to have lvl 99's with virtually every skill/stat maxed.

I'm sure that's a gross oversimplification, but I think many would catch my drift/inference. At any rate, if that perception has even 1/10th of an ounce of truth to it, then LOD is outdated, as it's a throwback to the very bad days of D1...

Is it true that there are many cookie cutter character builds in classic? no question.

as it stands right now, there's a normal, a nm and hell modes, I wouldn't mind a mode even higher than hell.

Some would suggest the challenge of HC, but I'm quite honestly not willing to put much effort into HardCore for the extra challenge due to BNet having such sporadic bad lag issues.

[deathisdeadly]

Yes, I have played LoD, and I'm certainly not saying it's much better than classic. Classic players have no idea about how good LoD actually is. Expansion players can say the same thing: the only item in classic worth having is an soj, and that's extremelly easy to find. Of course leveling is much harder, because 94 on classic is really comparable to a 98 on lod. Guess what, though. There's a hell of alot more 99's than there are 94's.

[Akukami]

Yes, I have played LoD, and I'm certainly not saying it's much better than classic. Classic players have no idea about how good LoD actually is. Expansion players can say the same thing: the only item in classic worth having is an soj, and that's extremelly easy to find. Of course leveling is much harder, because 94 on classic is really comparable to a 98 on lod. Guess what, though. There's a hell of alot more 99's than there are 94's.

The reason why there are more 99s on XPac is simply because the items are overpowered and become very boring to play with. That was the main reason why I quit LoD and headed straight to Classic.

You have no idea about how good Classic is. :rolleyes:

- Akukami

[DougDadyUsWest]

I don't think it's fair to compare level 94 in classic to level 98 in LOD. I've known players from LOD who came to classic, and vice-versa. This is all hardcore, mind you. But what I've noticed is that no LOD player ever got over level 90 on the classic hardcore ladder(that I personally knew), even though they've got 97+ on LOD hc. Now, switch the situation around a little bit, and the folks who play classic and then switch to LOD they typically have a much easier time leveling. I know, in my case, I got to level 92 in a few days the one time I played LOD 1.10. Several other players worked there way 95-99 with 'relative' ease and these weren't diehard pvm players.

Why does it work out like that you ask? On classic you have to work much harder for the experience. While you might need 40 baal runs to a mill at lvl 98, there is essentially no work required to complete the run. Raining meteors, blizzards, hurricanes, hammers, etc. The monsters die as soon as they spawn. Just stand and click basically. No skill or effort required. CS runs on the other hand depend on several people working together to quickly move from seal to seal and kill the bosses.

[Rawly]

Yes, I have played LoD, and I'm certainly not saying it's much better than classic. Classic players have no idea about how good LoD actually is. Expansion players can say the same thing: the only item in classic worth having is an soj, and that's extremelly easy to find. Of course leveling is much harder, because 94 on classic is really comparable to a 98 on lod. Guess what, though. There's a hell of alot more 99's than there are 94's.

A very good friend of mine, moved from classic to lod this ladder he had never played any lod before, was a classic player through and through he managed to get his paladin to lv 92 in classic, and he got bored of leveling. When he move to lod he got to lv 97.5 really easily had all the special builds to kill dclone and trist etc... so dont tell me 94=98.

Alot of the lv 98 and 99's come from ppl using bots because lod is so unbalance by a few items you can run a hammerdin to clear games without any skill with no fear of dying. Lightning sorcs are the same, dont know about other builds but i guess if you wack CtA and infinity on any lightning skill or facets on other elemental builds or Botd on physical damage dealers the game becomes easy etc.. etc... (just imagine how over powered a paladin in classic would be with teleport and lv 15+ BO?)

Only items worth having in classic (a part from a few standard uniques) as all classic players know are rare items which is what makes it sooo much better than lod as you are always looking for better items.

[Demek]

i play classic because i ditched d2 before the expansion came out and i can only buy d2 + exp pack in my country, and wont pay second time for d2

what i like about classic is most teenage(mutantninjaturtle)rs play Lod, and especially iownurassmastah types, although when i switched from nl to ladder i see more cunning, and begging, people seem more stingy than on nl

i also like less shiny uber uniques you spend weeks searching for (duped windforce for duped sojs etc another issue), so it takes much less time to gather what u need for some special abilities, and u search for rares with better mods, although essentially the same as "usual" items

the things that bothers me in classic is verly large jump from nm to hell, u usually need items from hell to play hell, and spend some time licking the handle so to say (even more for equipment dependant classes), but i feel this is how hell should feel like

it really disturbs me that someone spends their time going through games and begging, instead of playing/mfing, and when asked he replies he sucks, but no, he doesn't want to learn how to mf etc, it reminds me of country folks in my not-so-post-communism country, that used to work in nationalized farms, and after everything had collapsed they drink and wait for the next pension, some even miss the communism ..

[deathisdeadly]

The items are very comparable for the game. Classic items fit extremelly well into classic gaming, and LoD items fit extremelly well into LoD gaming. It's a well known fact that LoD monsters are stronger, and do much more damage. LoD also has -50% more resistance in hell, than classic does. Then again, it is still made up since magically enhanced items can have over 50 priz in LoD, when 20 is the max in classic. It's a very even balance.

I was in no way saying that one is better than the other, considering I've played both. I have 3 classic dins. A 93, 92, and a 90. I also have a 99 on LoD, and a 97. I enjoy both of them equally.

I was simply answering why blizzard only patches for LoD, because they simply don't care for classic much anymore.

[quadeddie]

i play classic because i ditched d2 before the expansion came out and i can only buy d2 + exp pack in my country, and wont pay second time for d2

what i like about classic is most teenage(mutantninjaturtle)rs play Lod, and especially iownurassmastah types, although when i switched from nl to ladder i see more cunning, and begging, people seem more stingy than on nl

i also like less shiny uber uniques you spend weeks searching for (duped windforce for duped sojs etc another issue), so it takes much less time to gather what u need for some special abilities, and u search for rares with better mods, although essentially the same as "usual" items

the things that bothers me in classic is verly large jump from nm to hell, u usually need items from hell to play hell, and spend some time licking the handle so to say (even more for equipment dependant classes), but i feel this is how hell should feel like

it really disturbs me that someone spends their time going through games and begging, instead of playing/mfing, and when asked he replies he sucks, but no, he doesn't want to learn how to mf etc, it reminds me of country folks in my not-so-post-communism country, that used to work in nationalized farms, and after everything had collapsed they drink and wait for the next pension, some even miss the communism ..

I love/hate the beggars. Want to get your fill? Create a norm game with a high level char. They'll starting coming in one by one by one...

I used to hate it, but now I have fun with it. Like telemarketers, they both want something from you, and like telemarketers, the longer you can keep them occupied, the less time they have to beg from someone else. I really need to perfect this and post a mini...

[Creon]

The items are very comparable for the game. Classic items fit extremelly well into classic gaming, and LoD items fit extremelly well into LoD gaming. It's a well known fact that LoD monsters are stronger, and do much more damage. LoD also has -50% more resistance in hell, than classic does. Then again, it is still made up since magically enhanced items can have over 50 priz in LoD, when 20 is the max in classic. It's a very even balance.
Anya quest makes the resistance difference all of 20%. The monsters don't seem much stronger, and don't seem to do much more damage, if any, outside of Act 5, either.

Hammerdins and Blizz Sorc's are overpowered on both expansion and classic, though, so saying monsters die instantly faster on one version than they die instantly on the other to a game full of them sounds pointless.

[Fearlessone]

... It's a well known fact that LoD monsters are stronger, and do much more damage. LoD also has -50% more resistance in hell, than classic does. Then again, it is still made up since magically enhanced items can have over 50 priz in LoD, when 20 is the max in classic. It's a very even balance.

Not true, except of course for actV Hell monsters. It has never been shown that the same monsters in LoD do more damage than their counterparts in classic, or that they have more hitpoints. Try killing Izual with a particular non-uber, easy to monitor skill and then converting to LoD and see if it takes several times longer for the kill. Thats not what I saw in cs runs when I converted my 89 necro to LoD. He took the same time to make the kills, until he got Trangs and unique poison jewels and p/b skill gc's etc...

The -50% more resistance: so what? -30% of that is made up for in the Anya quests, and not only will u get those huge priz numbers on uniques, u have the ability to load ur inventory with a +20% resistall charm that looks like Mephisto's soulstone and all sorts of other resist charms. This is a perfect example of how grossly unbalanced it really is.

LoD is spoiled. And as DougDaddy said, incredibly boring at the endgame with all these uber builds in the throneroom.

@Locke07: well, the 1.11 patch did almost nothing wrong to classic, small comfort since 1.10 virtually ruined nearly all the melee builds, removed our classic only chat channels, and brought on the horribly overpowered "dins".

If you guys dont like what they have been doing to classic, try emailing them or responding to that thread over at battle.net on what u would like to see in this next patch.

[zaxien]

To put some light on the situation I played classic forever and got worried about the reset so I decided to stop lvling and play xpac till the reset..well I played, got 3 chars to 88+ compiled about 200hrs worth of items and quit again all this within oh a 3 week time frame? Now Take your normal xpac player, put him playing classic for 3 weeks and he will probably make it to around 80, get bored with the "underpowered" items and go back to xpac. I have seen it too many times to count. I also think that if there is another patch Blizzard will see the light a little and tweak up classic from all the mentions of it on the official boards. But w/e to each his own and all that jazz. But, xpac is too easy imo ;)

Also all the high levels got to be high lvls from the constant runnign of baal bots...ever see a cs bot in classic? If someone is csing you can bet there is an *** at a computer chair controlling the char.

[Demek]

i run a series of games called luckydrop, they sit and wait while i kill mef and d on norm, and i give them what i dont need, ended up with perm 3+ people, but slowed me down a bit, and that yadayadayada ..

[Rawly]

I love/hate the beggars. Want to get your fill? Create a norm game with a high level char. They'll starting coming in one by one by one...

I used to hate it, but now I have fun with it. Like telemarketers, they both want something from you, and like telemarketers, the longer you can keep them occupied, the less time they have to beg from someone else. I really need to perfect this and post a mini...

I think this is an interesting idea, might work on this next time i start a new character, normally i just ignore beggers when they ask my enchantress for items.

As an aside it was quite funny at the start of this round, i gave away all the stuff from my mules from the last ladder, ofc i kept the good stuff which wasnt much but i seemed to have gathered at least to characters worth of inventory and stash space for each type of item and dumped it in a normal game called "free stuff" and watched as ppl tried to pick it all up, it was very funny.

[Demek]

especially when they dont know what which item is, and cant decide :D

[WarlockCC]

I see classic as a cycle and LoD as it's training wheels. Once you have learned to cycle, you can take off the training wheels and start the real chalenge of actual cycling. :)

I like your luckydrop idea, Demek, perhaps I will try that aswell some time.

[darkL]

does that mean that all the items and chars I have r gone, and I have to remake them all?

or is it that all char reset but i keep my items..

[Fearlessone]

does that mean that all the items and chars I have r gone, and I have to remake them all?

or is it that all char reset but i keep my items..
You lose no items. All the ladder characters will join the old nonladder characters(these are chars from previous ladders years ago dating back to when the game came out 6 years ago). There will be a brand new ladder "realm" which at first will be empty until thousands of peeps create new characters for that. You will NOT be able to play with those new ppl with the chars u have right now, and you cannot trade them your items.(But after a year, when the next ladder comes along, all these 'new' ppl will be oldies and join u in the nonladder) You can create a new char and decide NOT to enter the ladder area. You can also create a new char and join them.

Most good items in the nonladder tend to be duped and aren't worth your legitly found items.