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Bulgarian
10-08-2006, 18:39
Ive always been under the impression that fury is a weaker form of zeal, i would prefer making a druid rather than a paladin but i just dont know what their differences are. If a wolf using fury was to dual a zealot, who would win?

gtg

Bjam
10-08-2006, 18:51
Let me start by saying that I really don't play PvP, other than a few times with close friends, just for fun. However, based on my knowledge of both builds, I'd say the Pally would hold the advantage if both characters were equipped with Uber gear. However, for the same budget, I think you could build a better Druid. The skillers and Torch are far less expensive, and the other gear is comparable or less.

Hopefully, someone with skill and experience with both can give you a more definitive answer.

pimpadryla
10-08-2006, 19:27
pally is little more advanced because of auras, maxed fanatism+ items can add a very significant damage + ias...

baffle
10-08-2006, 19:37
Zeal is also uninterruptible, and Paladins have insanely good block speeds and high defense. Wolves have the (lesser) advantages of more life, better hit recovery, and the option to outrange a Zealot.

antirush
10-08-2006, 21:23
In pure pvp, no budget constraints a fury druid can stand toe to toe with a zealot as long as the zealot isn't using that silly shield with lifetap on it ;). Gm no-tap duels barbs, druids, and zealots are all pretty equal in the top tier of builds. With that said it's much easier to build a decent zealot than a decent fury.

Clay bizzle
11-08-2006, 06:55
If you are good at out ranging zeal and smite, then Fury can come out on top. Buff up your attack rating!

RareBear
11-08-2006, 07:15
Take out that lame sheild that Zealers use and abuse, called "exile", and you will see Fury Druids come out on top, imo

stoutewolf
11-08-2006, 10:52
Take out that lame sheild that Zealers use and abuse, called "exile", and you will see Fury Druids come out on top, imo
i think so to, druid have summons that can tank some hits aswell :wink3:

Rabbitz
11-08-2006, 12:09
summons = more life to zealots ?

stoutewolf
11-08-2006, 14:58
summons = more life to zealots ?
they may leech a lil but you will dmg him much more in the meantime:smiley:

DIEnamic
11-08-2006, 19:26
lol life tap ftl...

fight dirty with dirty and just rabies him before you fury. or get yourself some dracs and have a tapfest.

its really sad how overpowered they made paladins with 1.10 runewords whereas druids pretty much got nothing.

Bulgarian
11-08-2006, 21:52
Well if the druid was to use dracs and was to be a pure fury then he would have more than enouph attack rating to hit a high defence paladin, wouldnt he?

GreyGhost
11-08-2006, 23:41
For pvp a lot of ppl use rabies/fury to bring opponents life down and then put them away with a series of quick hits.

claniraqeleven
12-08-2006, 08:23
That will definately win you duels against fellow Aldur druids. Keep up the good work.

Kosmos
12-08-2006, 15:55
if lifetap is allowed, the zealer wins. otherwise i think the druid can take it.

claniraqtwelve
12-08-2006, 21:14
if lifetap is allowed, the zealer wins. otherwise i think the druid can take it.
Wishful thinking.
4 Frame Uninteruptable attack vs 4 Frame Interuptable attack.

Do the math, its not hard.

inkanddagger
12-08-2006, 21:28
with no life tap involved:

same damage, druid has more attack rating, paladin has more def, druid has 7k more life.

Honestly, exile is the main reason zealots have a serious advantage. this from years of experience in gm tournaments.

claniraqtwelve
12-08-2006, 21:31
And the pally doesnt need FHR or FBR
You pretend as if that didn't matter.

Kosmos
12-08-2006, 21:37
Wishful thinking.
4 Frame Uninteruptable attack vs 4 Frame Interuptable attack.

Do the math, its not hard.
yes however the pala has topps 4.5 k life with bo while the druid can have 10 k+.

but hey maybe we can try to get the best zealer in europe to duell the best druid in europe (Stoutewolf) without using lifetap and well see whats the best :scratch:

inkanddagger
12-08-2006, 21:40
And the pally doesnt need FHR or FBR
You pretend as if that didn't matter.

oh it matters, but from experience, it doesn't matter enough in most cases. there are very few paladins who can set an equal fury druid in a gm environment. there are exceptions, of course. BriarRabbits paladin could do it, Brunos could, Brens could - mostly because he got it to lvl 98 and has a big fat advantage over almost everyone there. But if you set 80-90% of all other zealots and they don't get to use exile, you will win with an equally geared druid. The main exception is zealots who use Death - the spell it casts fhr locks druids. Go check out clan pages for civic and pn and meleepk and melee duelers - they ban the use of those unbalancing things for that reason, and the usual result is that druids are top rated duelers.

RareBear
13-08-2006, 03:14
lol life tap ftl...

its really sad how overpowered they made paladins with 1.10 runewords whereas druids pretty much got nothing.

Yea, I agree 101%,

And I think exile is totally ridiculous

the boss
13-08-2006, 06:42
dude, but poison is sometimes being abused as bm though...

If you use rabies...they'll use venom from grief...

I agree I need to get a Gm dueling shield like Pheniox pally or eth hoz or eth almas.....but eth hoz and eth almas costs so much....more expensive than exile??

Btw, some good wolfs like "Primary" on NL east owned the crap out of me in a melee duel game, I was the zealot...USING my EXILE

He was a good wolf, I kinda wanna build a BvB now...xD

claniraqtwelve
13-08-2006, 06:53
In fury v zeal, a pubby zealot will beat any druid in 10/10 matches.
Yes, this is because of life tap, but thats the way it is.

If you try to rabies them, why would they EVER melee you back?
They will smite and charge you, and they will kill you.


Fury will have a fair time against zealots in private dueling leagues where everything from mana pots to resummoning a grizzly is BM, but in pubbys, you won't stand a chance. Just know that when you make one.

inkanddagger
13-08-2006, 09:56
that's not really fair to say. i have run a room full of public zealots more times than i can count, even when they used exile. experience and finesse > gear

Linkin
13-08-2006, 18:29
stoutewolf is on urope?
acc please

Bladewind
13-08-2006, 19:06
I dont use exile when i pvp.

Its too unfair and very BM in my opinion, it probably should not even exist. free lvl15+ defiance, Life tap, ETH BUGGED this thing should just die.