PvP Liberator Help

[Dennis_KoreanGuy]

Hey guys. I'm planning to make a libby, but the "mini-libby" guide in the paly guide sticky seemed a bit... dumb.

I do not need tips of dueling or anything like that, just skill placements and gear.

This is what I'm thinking of getting, so far.

Armor: MP Enigma, or perhaps Archon
Ammy: Highlord, or 08 Highlord
Helm: BerBer CoA
Wep: 400/33 griefz
Shield: 35% Paly Spirit, base res 35~45
Wep2: CtA
Shield2: Spirit
Belt: Spider
Ring1: 250/20 Raven
Ring2: 20str/16dex/71ar/6ml Ring
Glove: Trang's
Boot: Imp

Charms: Pcombat lifers, some fhr so I can break 86% bp with gear, 30+ar/20life sc's, anni, torch

Now I have couple questions on gear.

1. What if I switch spider for dungoes? That will give me max dr, but I'll have to lose the rings for 2* 10fcr rings, losing the cbf of Raven.

2. The idea of making a cta in a 5os divine scepter or something with +hammer +conc, so I can have cta/spirit for hammerhand and griefz/hoz for chargeside. I don't know if I can find such scepter...

3. Do you recommend in using wizzy? That will solve a lot of fcr problems, so I can keep the 2 rings and wear Dungoes. Not to mention endless mana + res.


For skills, I have no clue.

Vigor obviously must be maxed, synergy to both hammer / charge.

Blessed Aim, synergy to hammer, also adds additional permanent +%ar bonus, good for charge.

Is my gear setup ok? Please give me feedback on gear and just basic guideline to distributing my skills.

Things I value are atleast 75% allres at hell without anya q, 86% fhr, 75% fcr, and 8k+ hammer.

[NarmoTheArapino]

Skills should be:

20 Hammer
20 Charge
20 Concentration
20 Vigor
01 Holy Shield

..and the rest go into Blessed Aim.

For the gear choices, I'll leave that up to you and other people who want to contribute.

[mythos]

Hey guys. I'm planning to make a libby, but the "mini-libby" guide in the paly guide sticky seemed a bit... dumb.

I do not need tips of dueling or anything like that, just skill placements and gear.

This is what I'm thinking of getting, so far.

Armor: MP Enigma, or perhaps Archon
Ammy: Highlord, or 08 Highlord
Helm: BerBer CoA
Wep: 400/33 griefz
Shield: 35% Paly Spirit, base res 35~45
Wep2: CtA
Shield2: Spirit
Belt: Spider
Ring1: 250/20 Raven
Ring2: 20str/16dex/71ar/6ml Ring
Glove: Trang's
Boot: Imp

Charms: Pcombat lifers, some fhr so I can break 86% bp with gear, 30+ar/20life sc's, anni, torch

Now I have couple questions on gear.

1. What if I switch spider for dungoes? That will give me max dr, but I'll have to lose the rings for 2* 10fcr rings, losing the cbf of Raven.

2. The idea of making a cta in a 5os divine scepter or something with +hammer +conc, so I can have cta/spirit for hammerhand and griefz/hoz for chargeside. I don't know if I can find such scepter...

3. Do you recommend in using wizzy? That will solve a lot of fcr problems, so I can keep the 2 rings and wear Dungoes. Not to mention endless mana + res.


For skills, I have no clue.

Vigor obviously must be maxed, synergy to both hammer / charge.

Blessed Aim, synergy to hammer, also adds additional permanent +%ar bonus, good for charge.

Is my gear setup ok? Please give me feedback on gear and just basic guideline to distributing my skills.

Things I value are atleast 75% allres at hell without anya q, 86% fhr, 75% fcr, and 8k+ hammer.

I'm also about to build a libby and rebuild my mage, then choose between the two. So my suggestions are based on my reasoning. If someone has better ideas backed up by experience i'd like to hear it too.:thumbsup:

Skills wise, if you want 8k hammers, with that gear set up I have you at +12 all skills (inc battle command) and +9 combat skills
If you max conc you have +525 dmg. it works at 50% for hammers so 262.5%.
which means you need a 3050 dmg hammer. To get that
max hammer
max vigor
18 blessed aim

that'll use 87 skill pts (includes getting 1pt holy shield)

after that pump charge.

i'd considser using a bk instead of that stats ring, then shako over coa. or maybe a circlet. a 2/20 with res would mean you could wear the dungo/trang/spirit and hit 75fcr. the circ could be um'd or if you have good life res sc's ber'd for dr.
imps give fhr right? would imps spirit and dungo hit 86?
you'll probably need life/fire res sc's to get 75 fire res after anya bug. also i was looking at using a mara. the loss of ds is the concern here.

i'll be interested to see what some other more experienced people have to say

[niner]

Dont do IMPS....

Dupes are bad umkay.


MP has base str of 55 Archon 103 you can get 58 more into vita=174 base life by losing around 300 def.

[NarmoTheArapino]

If you have the items/charms, you can wear AP Nigma w/o putting stats into STR.

[Dennis_KoreanGuy]

I'm also about to build a libby and rebuild my mage, then choose between the two. So my suggestions are based on my reasoning. If someone has better ideas backed up by experience i'd like to hear it too.:thumbsup:

Skills wise, if you want 8k hammers, with that gear set up I have you at +12 all skills (inc battle command) and +9 combat skills
If you max conc you have +525 dmg. it works at 50% for hammers so 262.5%.
which means you need a 3050 dmg hammer. To get that
max hammer
max vigor
18 blessed aim

that'll use 87 skill pts (includes getting 1pt holy shield)

after that pump charge.

i'd considser using a bk instead of that stats ring, then shako over coa. or maybe a circlet. a 2/20 with res would mean you could wear the dungo/trang/spirit and hit 75fcr. the circ could be um'd or if you have good life res sc's ber'd for dr.
imps give fhr right? would imps spirit and dungo hit 86?
you'll probably need life/fire res sc's to get 75 fire res after anya bug. also i was looking at using a mara. the loss of ds is the concern here.

i'll be interested to see what some other more experienced people have to say
*sigh*

I'll work all the skills out in planner and sp editor vigorously just like how I did with mage to reach the optimum damage.

What if I didn't max conc, but maxed Blessed Aim instead with Charge and rest in conc? Give that a thought.

I have a 2/20/40 waiting for me nl, so that is a definite possibility, but I really value the DR / Res from CoA.

Imps give 20% FHR. I was planning to use Spirit / Imp / CoA / fhr pcmb to reach 86%.

Yes, I already have some life/fr sc's handy. Not perf vita's though... :undecided:

Mara is a good choice, +skills and resists make it definitely worthwhile, but Highlord is my only chance to double my damage.. hmm must think on this. I fear Lightning is the most worthwhile to stack, and it gives 35% LR so that's pretty cool...

Switch ring for a bk / soj? Is the +skill worth it? I'm going to make a 35% Spirit out of a 45 sacred targe, and with CoA's insane 174 str req I need all the str/dex I can get... not to mention the bonus ar on the ring.

btw, did I mention my spirit? It will have some pretty high resists so with coa / spirit / imp / decent anni - torch I shouldn't have to worry too much on resists department.

As you, I'm looking forward for more feedback.

Also do you recommend 8k+ Hammers? After all my mage did 7.7, and the only reason I wanted 8+ was because I heard libbys usually have higher hammers than mages. thx a lot for ur support.

niner: its a perm imp im using. its not a hacked / bugged item, should I refrain from using cuz some idiots like to dupe because of its very useful mods?

Narmo: obviously. :azn:

[the boss]

set up looks nice...use HoZ on switch is best idea with grief

[Dennis_KoreanGuy]

set up looks nice...use HoZ on switch is best idea with grief
So you advise me to use cta/spirit every time I hammer?

Is that practical? I plan to combine hammers/charge almost simultaneously for majority of my duels. Anyone thinks it would be worth it?

HoZ is obviously #1 choice for charge, but I'm going to spend stats to dex for maxblock sacred targe anyway, and Spirit gives me plenty extra res / fhr. Hmm..

[McCOOL]

My libby uses a fort. Fort + 10fcr 20str ring to compensate for spirit and then you can use a hoz or exile.

[jmsplat]

Dennis don't follow me blindly because I haven't tested the Hammer cta/spirit + grief/hoz combo. It's just an idea that'll be tested once ladder resets. Otherwise, it looks pretty good. You'll have enough str for AP nigma, trust me

[NarmoTheArapino]

Hammer CTA/Spirit > Hoto/Spirit.

In one of my ever-boring MF hunts, I found myself a +3Conc/+3BH 5S w.sceptor. Rolled a 3/6/1 out of it.

Basically, if you're fine with running back to town, equipping CTA, BO/BC yourself outside, swap back to HOTO, and duel, then go use a HOTO. For me? I got tired of that :)

Grief + HOZ is also good.

Edit: With the Hammer CTA, you lose 40%FCR from HOTO. A good way to get 75%FCR w/o HOTO is:

-10%FCR Pally Ammy
-10%FCR Ring
-Trang's Gloves (20%)
-Spirit Shield (35%)

*Note: If 20%FCR Pally Ammy's do exist, then remove a 10%FCR Ring with a BK.

The above is the set up I use for 75%FCR w/o HOTO. I don't use Arachnid because I favor the 40vit/15dr from the dungos.

[Sechler]

With your current set-up you'll maintain a decent hammer dmg, but you appear to be low on attack rating. I'd highly recommend swaping out some of the pcombs for AR/Lifers.
I've spoken w/ other libs in games and they agreed when I brought up the the ar issue. Yes, charge gives a huge ar boost, but I never hit mid to high def pallies and barbs stocked w/ pcombs and fcr gear. For me these were the chars that i wanted to shock w/ a massive charge the most. It was such a frustrating feeling when a pally would charge you, but then you stopped dead in your tracks when try and return the favor.

[jmsplat]

Narmo sell that sexy toy to me please :D
AR isn't that big of an issue, since my pally hits almost 7k AR without charms/chant. Just to let you know, a pcomb adds about the same AR a 20 AR sc would. I'd definitely go for about 10 SCs with 20+ AR and 20 life. Don't go for the 30+ ones unless you're rich. If you are, I can hook you up with a trader who has a few nice 30+/20s

[NarmoTheArapino]

Gah, I can't trade it for three reasons:

1) No more going to stash and using the ol' swap-buff-swap.
2) It completes my Liberator set. (My fcr ammy and fcr ring > maras and bk)
3) I haven't seen another one. (but I bet some people do have one)

All that's left for my Liberator are those 3/20/20 SCs. (just need a few of them)

Again, another reason to hit myself for not preserving my old account O_O; I had a stash load of those..

[Dennis_KoreanGuy]

Maybe I might get 100+/35+ AR/Lifers if AR becomes an issue.

Hammer damage wise, as long as I do 7k+ I'm happy.

Highlord's + raven > fcr stuff / bk mara.

I'm pretty sure ar/life is recommended over max/ar/life. Am I correct?

[jmsplat]

Maybe I might get 100+/35+ AR/Lifers if AR becomes an issue.

Hammer damage wise, as long as I do 7k+ I'm happy.

Highlord's + raven > fcr stuff / bk mara.

I'm pretty sure ar/life is recommended over max/ar/life. Am I correct?

For some reason hammer damage under 9k annoys me :/ I'd go for 5 digits on cast switch since 7k is a bit low IMO
I'd think AR/life>max/AR/life, but you might wanna ask someone else to crunch some numbers to help optomize your damage. Ce Olba seems good at this