Best HC Character Build?

[tgPYRO]

I'm looking to find, IYO, what the best HC character build is to play. Considering you die you die forever, i like to play it safe. I want it to be fun though but I don't feel like dying again. I got TPPK at lvl 58 HC and that sucks, i had just come back from my 2-year leave and I had never heard of it yet, learned the hard way. Anways, whats a good character build. Post up. Thanks

[Hp_Sauce]

Summoner Necro and/or
Lightning Trapper

Guides to both can be found in their respective forums (i.e. Necro and Assasin forums)

Basics:
Summoner:
Max Skelly Master, and Skelly's (not Mages... they are teh sucks.)
1 pt in all curses
1 pt Bone armour
1 pt Corpse Explosion
Extra points: Bone Armour synergy (Note: Synergy, as this gets your Bone Armour more "hit points:), Corpse Explosion
Note: Get a might merc (Act 2 NM... can't remember which one.)
Pro's: Uber safe. Not gear dependent, so MF is easy.
Con's: fairly slow in hell, Uber boring.

Trapper:
There is a few different ways of doing this, mostly the problem is Lightning Immunes. either:
A) Maxing Fire blast
B) Maxing Shadow Master
C) Excessive use of Mind Blast
will take care of LI's.

With enough +skills (5-10) which is quite easy to come by. 1 point in Shadow Master, Fade, Burst of Speed, and Mind Blast can be plenty. Which leaves you lots of points to max traps and their synergies.

The idea being. Your merc and Shadow Master can tank while you throw Fire Blasts at the LI's, once a body drops the Death Senturies (which you've already laid) will do the rest (Corpse Explosion)

Trap laying speed is affected by Increased Attack Speed (IAS), so if you can get your resists up in hell (and don't have to use Fade), you can run Burst of Speed, which allows you to lay traps, and throw Fire Blasts quite quickly

Pro's: Little need for Str, Dex, Mana, so huge life is easily aquired. Not very gear dependent, so MF is easy, More fun then a Summoner. Claw Block
Con's: Lightning Immunes.

Personly I prefer the Trapper.

-hps

p.s. Explosion? is that right? or is it Explotion? or something else?

Edit: I completly forgot about Revives. 10-20 points in Revives will help your sumoner in a big way. Of course the 1 point wonder which is Clay Golum for "Slows Monsters" when you're fighting bosses.

[Dalfaldor]

3.1 What should my first character be?

This is perhaps the most controversial question in the FAQ, with no real correct answer and no real agreement either by the forum members. Instead of providing a detailed guide based on one character, what I’ve attempted to do is provide a few general hints and tips on making your first Hardcore character, and how to go about choosing what sort it will be.
The best character to make as your first Hardcore character is one that you are most familiar with. If you’ve had lots of experience on playing a particular character class or type, then that is what is most important. Prior experience will stand you in good stead. However, this must be balanced with the fact that when you first start Hardcore, you have no items to your name. Therefore, you want a character that you know how to use, and one that can kill effectively without being overly dependent on items. Basically, what you are aiming for is to get to act 5 normal alive and well. Once you get there, you can hit the bloody foothills and gain levels very rapidly, up until level 40 or more if you want. You will also be able to start finding decent items with which to equip your new characters.

3.9 - What is the best Hardcore Character?

This is a question that is often asked by new players, and one that often draws sharp rebukes from many veteran players. Don't be discouraged if you've been flamed, it's just that such a general and vague question as this one has NO correct answer. Although the character classes have innumerable sub-variants to play, some with faster killing power, others with huge life, others with maxed resistances...there is no best character. What works well for someone else may not work at all for you.
In short, there is no best Hardcore Character. There's just the characters you want to make and enjoy playing. Nothing else.

5.2 - How do I avoid being Player-Killed?

The first thing to do is to get out of harm’s way…IMMEDIATELY. Either use a town portal if you know you have time or save and exit if you know the Player Killer is nearby. If you have no particular desire to stay in your current game, simply save/exit and look for another one. If you do want to stay, do not try and pick a fight, especially with high level Player Killers. Simply wait, and they will usually leave the game after about 5 minutes.

If you save and exit the moment you hear the hostile sound, you are almost certain to escape. That is unless the PK is right on top of you, ambushes you as you leave town etc.

If the Player Killer is of about your level or a lower level, and I cannot emphasise this too strongly: DO NOT GO OUT AND FIGHT. As Rachelene, one of the best low level duelers said:

“Some little monsters are so heavily twinked that they can send people 3 times their level to the grave.”

I must concur, for I have seen it happen too. A level 15-18 character that hostiles people in Normal Hill Runs is not insane; rather, they are likely to be uber-twinked for Player Killing, and easily able to kill or seriously damage characters of a much higher level.

Unless you have a character that is either particularly dangerous for its level, or one that is equipped for duelling, it is best to be safe then sorry. Some of the Player-Killers in Hardcore are among the best in the game, especially those that attack characters of a higher level than their own. Their builds combine not only raw killing power, but also the ability to survive attacks from higher level characters.

A few quick tips on how to avoid being Pked: THIS IS IMPORTANT…

- Be very careful of characters whose level indicates that they should be somewhere else, eg. Level 40 characters in Act 2 Normal.

- Don’t leave town if a character is standing by the entrance. They are likely to hostile you the moment you leave. This is especially true with characters such as amazons, who can hostile and send arrows flying out after you in seconds. Also be wary for assassins who may have hidden traps outside the town.

- Take special care around waypoints. Don’t hang around near them if at all possible, as players can hostile in town and come straight down the waypoint, attacking you in under 5 seconds if they’re lucky. The other thing you have to be careful about with waypoints, especially in older games, the waypoint may be trapped, either intentionally or unintentionally. Sometimes a character may be running away from a nasty group of monsters, such as fanaticism enchanted moon lords, and has used the waypoint to get back to town, with the monsters hot on their heels. Even an hour later, if another person takes that waypoint, the pack will still be there, and often able to kill you before you even load them up.

- Don’t take portals from people you don’t know well. The portal could easily be trapped, either by a spell such as Hydra, or by monsters that a player has led back to the portal.

- Beware of Hydra sorcs and characters using the thorns/conversion combination (paladins and assassins). Hydra sorcs kill by placing lots of Hydras down, using a town portal and hostiling you from town while the Hydras are still up. A high level Hydra can easily rip through even maximum fire resistance, so always be on your guard when playing with them. The thorns/conversion method of killing is more sophisticated and is often accidental. When a monster is converted, it gains the benefit of the thorns aura, either provided by a Paladin or by an Act 2 Nightmare Combat mercenary. Once the conversion wears off, the aura remains on the monster for a few seconds before it wears off. In those few seconds, if you attack a monster with thorns, you run the risk of inflicting anything up to 1000% damage against yourself, enough to kill even the toughest barbarians. It should be noted that this warning applies only to melee characters, as ranged attackers are not affected by attacking a monster with thorns.

- Don’t let yourself be taunted into fighting. Many PK’ers are expert in taunting players out to fight with well-aimed insults. Just remember: “Sticks and Stones…”

- Finally, always be on your guard and suspicious of everything and everyone. Trust is a very valuable commodity in Diablo 2 and should not be given out lightly. Always beware, for even the nicest person may be setting you up for a sucker punch. I know it’s not a nice way to play, but it’s the only way to survive.


Whirlwind Barbarian is another good starting HC character build IMHO. Until level 30 stay behind other players an big games and simply leach experience. :)
At level 30 he gets WW. Find some life and mana leach and you will be unstoppable. If you are careful, nothing can kill you, only Iron Maiden and PK.

I did it many times both in SP and at Realm. "WW + Life Leach + Mana Leach" is the winning combination. Good that Blizzard invented Iron Maiden, without it nothing can stop whirler.

[Socialism]

Whirlwind Barbarian is another good starting HC character build IMHO. Until level 30 stay behind other players an big games and simply leach experience. :)
At level 30 he gets WW. Find some life and mana leach and you will be unstoppable. If you are careful, nothing can kill you, only Iron Maiden and PK.

I did it many times both in SP and at Realm. "WW + Life Leach + Mana Leach" is the winning combination. Good that Blizzard invented Iron Maiden, without it nothing can stop whirler.

Unequivocally disagree.

I would not start my first HC character as one that-
1) should "stay behind other players and leech experience" - this makes me stupid, lazy, and completely dependent on other people; I'll never learn to get to 1-30 on my own or

2) runs a melee build; melee characters are typically much more item-dependent than casters and have to go toe to toe; also, with only non "magic" melee attacks, it is nigh impossible to run through A4 in any sort of timely fashion.

"If you are careful, nothing can kill you." Except bugged fire enchanted monsters. Except dolls running into you when you're WW-ing through an urdar or whatever. Except PKs. Except Frenzytaurs. Except really tough swarms. Except lag. Except IM. Except enchanted/conviction archer packs. Except gloams. Except anything in hell.

[MoUsE_WiZ]

This late in the season Orb/TK can't go wrong... key items like wizzy, viper, mosers or whistans, and magefist are dirt cheap (or at least they should be). At the start of the season these items are expensive and it can make starting her out a bit tougher, but still doable, and if you're successful it you get a huge jump on MFing over other people.

Either way I like Orb/TK =)

[Mn_Swe2]

Whirlwind Barbarian is another good starting HC character build IMHO. Until level 30 stay behind other players an big games and simply leach experience. :)
At level 30 he gets WW. Find some life and mana leach and you will be unstoppable. If you are careful, nothing can kill you, only Iron Maiden and PK.

I did it many times both in SP and at Realm. "WW + Life Leach + Mana Leach" is the winning combination. Good that Blizzard invented Iron Maiden, without it nothing can stop whirler.

It sounds to me he's starting from scratch with a new char.

With no items or runes laying around a WW barb is way too item dependant to be successfull IMHO.

You are more or less forced to go a caster route and the first obvious cookie-cutter choices that comes to my mind are:

Blessed Hammer Pala
Wind Druid
Sorc
Trap Assassin
Javazon
Summoner Necro

All of them are well suited for an "untwinked" start and can play well through out all of the game with kind of crappy items.

If you consider TPPK only one of them really stands out and that is Wind Druid because of the massive amount of life he will have. All of the rest will have kind of low life and are thankfull targets for TTPK's. (Maybe Necro will be protected by it's minions and Bone Armor I'm not sure?)

/Magnus

[Socialism]

This late in the season Orb/TK can't go wrong... key items like wizzy, viper, mosers or whistans, and magefist are dirt cheap (or at least they should be). At the start of the season these items are expensive and it can make starting her out a bit tougher, but still doable, and if you're successful it you get a huge jump on MFing over other people.

Either way I like Orb/TK =)

Unsynergized orb sans significant +skills will generally kill unnervingly slowly in hell, especially if you're not used to frequent teleporting for spell repositioning and/or are of a ping high enough (200+) to make it relatively dangerous to continually teleport away from/around packs of monsters that can 1-hit eat you.

But yeah, was my first MFer ever. Then I discovered the lightning trapper; slow but safe!

[Hp_Sauce]

Interesting.... 6 replies, and 6 completely different answers. :shocked:

Good luck picking tgPYRO.

-hps

[Socialism]

How was my favouring the lightning trapper different from you? Actually, I'm partial to the summoner too, as it kills through normal/nightmare/hell SO FAST if you're running it untwinked, and/or actually (gasp) PLAYING through the game.

[Dalfaldor]

Sure, naked Barbarian cannot win a battle against any caster. However I have yet to see any naked character in Hell on the Realms.
WW Barb can easily make his way to nightmare. Then he may easily find enough items to trade for full IK set and start Hell in Full IK. It is very easy to get full IK for a single Cold or PC skiller.

And of cause you don’t have to hide behind other chars. Maxed Mastery and high life makes Barbarians leaders in Normal difficulty public games. I just think that it is better to stick to highly twinked char and leach exp, when you are poor. :)

[Socialism]

I just think that it is better to stick to highly twinked char and leach exp, when you are poor. :)

It's hard to be "highly twinked" and "poor" at the same time, in my personal opinion.

This is a -relative- newbie (not an offensive term in my book) getting back into the game again; I think mentions of full IK set are a bit unrealistic at the moment.

Eh.

If you're on East HCL, I'll help you out with an enchant or some crappy equipment. *Flicker, leave a message.

[bigD72]

Untwinked.

Trapper. Hammerdin. Javazon. Your favorite character.

[tgPYRO]

It's hard to be "highly twinked" and "poor" at the same time, in my personal opinion.

This is a -relative- newbie (not an offensive term in my book) getting back into the game again; I think mentions of full IK set are a bit unrealistic at the moment.

Eh.

If you're on East HCL, I'll help you out with an enchant or some crappy equipment. *Flicker, leave a message.

Yeah awsome. I just started again, I'm dirt poor lol. I was actually thinking of building an "OrbChantress" idea I came up with. You guys left like 6 diffrent ideas so, hard to choose. I'd love some help. Message me back and I'll get with you.

PS: Here is that build I came up with, still putting minor tweaks in it though.

Cold Tree

Ice Bolt- 01
Ice Blast- 01
Glacial spike- 01
Blizzard- 01
Frozen Orb- 20
Cold Mastery- 20

Lightning Tree

Telekenisis- 01
Teleport- 01
Static Field- 01

Fire Tree

Warmth- 20
Fire Bolt- 01
Fire Ball- 01
Enchant- 20
Fire Mastery- 20

Stats

STR- Base-50
DEX- 0
VIT- ALL
ENG- 0

Items(Highest End)

10 Fire skill Charms
1 Annihilus small charm

or

9 Fire Skill Charms
1 Helltorch

Helm: + 3 fire skill circlet (socket it with 2 x + 5 % fire facets)
Ammy: + 3 fire skill ammy
Armor: +3 enchant Omus' Robe with +15% fire damage (socket it with + 5 % fire

facet)
Belt: Aranchid Mesh (+ 1 all skill)
Rings: + 1 skill rings (SOJ, bul katho..)
Gloves: Magefist
Boots: Doesn't matter


Now Best weapon / Shield combination
+ 3 fire skill sorc orb with + 3 enchant, + 3 fire mastery socketed with 2 fire

facetes, + 1 skill shield with fire facet.
This will result in level 51 enchant, level 48 fire mastery, with 6 fire facets
The Cast Time Damage will be about 4840~5575
Melee fire damage is about 24400~ 28070, where as ranged fire damage is same as

Cast Time Damage.

2nd Best weapon/ shield combo
"Leaf" runeword staff with + 3 enchant, + 3 fire mastery
Cast Time Damage is about 4500~5190

3rd Best weaopn/ shield combo
Eschuta;s Templer with + 3 sorc + 20% fire socketed with 1 fire facet, 1 skill

shield with fire facet.
Cast Time Damage is about 4370~5050

4th place
Mang Song's Lesson with 1 fire facet
Cast Time Damage is about 4355~5025

[Socialism]

1. Nice 'dirt cheap' setup, boss
2. Why not 9 fire skill charms, 1 torch, 1 annihilus?
3. Your endgame gear will disappear in hell, because you have no resistances or ability to survive any sort of regular-hell-monster-onslaught.

[tgPYRO]

1. Nice 'dirt cheap' setup, boss
2. Why not 9 fire skill charms, 1 torch, 1 annihilus?
3. Your endgame gear will disappear in hell, because you have no resistances or ability to survive any sort of regular-hell-monster-onslaught.

haha, no i don't have any of that. I was looking at an Enchantress build and i worked off that and manipulated in my idea, pretty much mending the two. I've never even had a fire charm and i've never seen an Ani lol.

[bigD72]

haha, no i don't have any of that. I was looking at an Enchantress build and i worked off that and manipulated in my idea, pretty much mending the two. I've never even had a fire charm and i've never seen an Ani lol.
Well, then your best bet would be to just quest through NM maybe doing multiple (norm) Baal runs for MF purposes until you get good enough gear to have 50ish-Max resis all in NM and then start running NM Andy, Countess, Meph, Shenk, Eldritch

I've been back for a month mabye two. If I broke the bank (my mule accounts and my partners') I could MAYBE afford SOME of the gear you listed. I think your expectation of that kind of gear so quickly is not going to end well.

Maybe you could do a Summoner to quest through Norm and NM with loading up on MF since he technically doesn't need much to keep alive gear wise. Then based on what you find continue buidling new characters and questing them in a similar manner until you find the gear to build yourself a MF Sorc. That's how I got started back.

[tgPYRO]

Well, then your best bet would be to just quest through NM maybe doing multiple (norm) Baal runs for MF purposes until you get good enough gear to have 50ish-Max resis all in NM and then start running NM Andy, Countess, Meph, Shenk, Eldritch

I've been back for a month mabye two. If I broke the bank (my mule accounts and my partners') I could MAYBE afford SOME of the gear you listed. I think your expectation of that kind of gear so quickly is not going to end well.

Maybe you could do a Summoner to quest through Norm and NM with loading up on MF since he technically doesn't need much to keep alive gear wise. Then based on what you find continue buidling new characters and questing them in a similar manner until you find the gear to build yourself a MF Sorc. That's how I got started back.

Yeah, I'm not expecting to get that stuff honestly. Thats just an overall view of what I'd like to have sooner or later. I'm afraid to get into it again and the ladder decided to finally reset. I was waiting for that and it doesn't seem it'll happen anytime soon so I started back up.

[MoUsE_WiZ]

Unsynergized orb sans significant +skills will generally kill unnervingly slowly in hell,
The point isn't to kill fast, it's to skip past things you don't want to waste time killing to the things you do.

[Socialism]

Oh I understand the point of a magic finder. However, if you wish to do anything apart from Andariel and Mephisto in hell with this sorceress... it's a far cry from usefulness. Cows, for example. Helping out with rushes, for example.

Yes, it's called a "magic find" character for a reason; that is, to kill Mephisto ad nauseum, but that doesn't mean I'm not going to want to squeeze some alternative usefulness out of her every now and then.

[MoUsE_WiZ]

Cows, for example. Helping out with rushes, for example.
Firstly, how is running cows seperate from running meph? It's just an alternate place to MF. I'd say an inferior one too, especially near the start of the season when the shakos I'm rolling in from meph go for gul+ each. Listing cows as an example of a utility and meph as 'just a place to mf' is silly; javazons and trappers can clear esp/cows/pits/cs like nothing with limited gear, orb/tk does meph/andy/at/crypt with the same limited gear, either way it's just MF.

But you want alternative uses? Forge rushes are cake. I don't see why you say 'helping out with rushes'... why would a build that is practically designed to do every aspect of a rush minus the CS (which is doable, it's just not ideal) need to help with a rush when it can do it on it's own? And who exactly do you think is porting hell baals for you before people who want a bit more damage finally gear up 3 months later?

That's completely ignoring the fact that orb/tk is also the build that is going to be in the best gear the fastest (barring incredible luck on someone else's part) and once in said gear damage stops being an issue. Other than the ubers I can't think of a single thing you can't do with one. Obviously some builds will be better at some things but the orber can still do them just fine.

[Socialism]

Firstly, how is running cows seperate from running meph? It's just an alternate place to MF. I'd say an inferior one too, especially near the start of the season when the shakos I'm rolling in from meph go for gul+ each. Listing cows as an example of a utility and meph as 'just a place to mf' is silly; javazons and trappers can clear esp/cows/pits/cs like nothing with limited gear, orb/tk does meph/andy/at/crypt with the same limited gear, either way it's just MF.

But you want alternative uses? Forge rushes are cake. I don't see why you say 'helping out with rushes'... why would a build that is practically designed to do every aspect of a rush minus the CS (which is doable, it's just not ideal) need to help with a rush when it can do it on it's own? And who exactly do you think is porting hell baals for you before people who want a bit more damage finally gear up 3 months later?

That's completely ignoring the fact that orb/tk is also the build that is going to be in the best gear the fastest (barring incredible luck on someone else's part) and once in said gear damage stops being an issue. Other than the ubers I can't think of a single thing you can't do with one. Obviously some builds will be better at some things but the orber can still do them just fine.

Running cows to help XP someone, for the variance, for fun, for a safe place to goof off when you've little better to do and are bored of running Mephisto. Inferior? Yes. Technically, if you're going to argue for efficiency's sake - which you excel at - playing through the game untwinked is inferior to getting rushed and twinking the crud out of yourself.

Helping out with rushes = helping someone by rushing them. I think you might have misinterpreted my grammar.

Personally? I game with a 350+ ping generally. Teleporting through some/many areas is ridiculously dangerous because of this -- it stands that I'll (for safety's sake) try to kill whatever I'm trying to get through at times. This, for me, in ~5 skills gear (I'm poor and lazy, this is what I consider 'decent' equipment), is pretty rough.

So that's my point of view. Feel free to stomp on it all you'd like.

[Dahkar]

Noob, everyone knows shapeshifting druids > all at mfing, and I'm going to prove it next season! You just wait!

[MoUsE_WiZ]

Running cows to help XP someone
Orb has no problem in norm/nm cows even with +0 skills, I don't recall the last time I've seen anyone try to exp in hell cows.

for the variance
Variance if you didn't play at all in 1.09 maybe.

for a safe place to goof off when you've little better to do
This is still just making the same statement that you made before only replacing the word 'mf' with 'goof off'.

playing through the game untwinked is inferior to getting rushed and twinking the crud out of yourself.
There isn't anything stopping an orb/tk sork from playing through the game untwinked, I've done it many times. But the fact is that the game doesn't change, I've played countless 'fun' builds through both twinked and untwinked... the content of the game remains the same regardless of if you're flying through it with a cookie cutter (which is what you recommended he start with anyways) or crawling through it with a bowadin or a wandazon. It's not exactly challenging to complete the game with the latter if you've been playing forever, just more tedious.

Personally? I game with a 350+ ping generally. Teleporting through some/many areas is ridiculously dangerous because of this
Ping is a problem on your end, not a problem with the build. Also, 350-500 ping should be perfectly fine for porting around in, the build is designed specifically to be safe while porting.

This, for me, in ~5 skills gear (I'm poor and lazy, this is what I consider 'decent' equipment), is pretty rough.
ANY build with +5 skills is going to kill nerve wrackingly slow.

So that's my point of view. Feel free to stomp on it all you'd like.
You're the one who accused orb/tk of being a slow build when it simply isn't.

[twisturwhig]

I believe the original question was which bulds are the safest. Handsdown, the answer is windy druid w/ MAX oak sage, or summoner necro, end of story.

[STINGER]

Windy has one advantage over the Summoner.........he is not vulnerable to Stairways......Necro enters a stairway and mobs are near it he could get smoked while loading where the Druid has all his life buffs.

Summoner still takes the cake though. Not a place he cant go in the course of the game and kill and live. Druids can have issues in places especially like Nithlaks area.......actually all can have issues there, but the Summoner has many minions to take the heat.

[tgPYRO]

Yeah, I'm looking towards the Orbchantress, Ghost Assassin, Summoner, or least likely Smiter builds.

[xix sephra]

Chaos sanctuary is going to kill your pally.....That being said, any sorc will do fine. Meteorb will run everything fine. Blizzard sorc as well.. Orb requires aiming and is less powerful anyway. As everyone has said the safest builds are Trapper or summoner the trapper is more fun TBH, but after nightmare they are not as good. The summoners are boring and have problems in tight areas, but they kill anything

[tgPYRO]

So torn! lol. I really can't decide. I'm going with Lightsassin or Lightzon as of right now, with a small chance of doing like a Sidewinder Zon or Enchantress.

[Full_Circle]

If you're looking just to play through the entire game without getting rushed... untwinked... there's really nothing that compares to a well built summoner. Trappers, Javazons, and Hammerdins can also do it, but not as easily.

If you're looking to mf to gear up other characters, or if you're concerned with killing speed, then summoners lose... or if you're concerned with not boring yourself to death. Summoners are great at that.

Starting from scratch, I generally make a Javazon, get her to act 1 hell, run certain key places of act 1 hell and nm cows to get charms and such, then build an orb sorc for MFing. If you don't want to do two characters, the orb sorc can be done from scratch, it just takes a large amount of patience to get to level 30... or help from other players.

[Socialism]

Orb has no problem in norm/nm cows even with +0 skills, I don't recall the last time I've seen anyone try to exp in hell cows.
I tried, and it was embarrassing.

This is still just making the same statement that you made before only replacing the word 'mf' with 'goof off'.
Yeah, except the words "goof off" mean something completely different from "mf". I don't get it; what's your point?

Ping is a problem on your end, not a problem with the build.
Yes, that's why I wrote that personally, I suffer from ping problems. I'm too chicken to play a melee build; I'm not claiming that zealers suck.

Also, 350-500 ping should be perfectly fine for porting around in
Try it sometime? It's very dangerous if you're not a high enough level to ward off the %to hit that comes with not being at par/higher level than what you're porting around. Not that I recommend porting hell when you're that low levelled.

Unsynergized orb sans significant +skills will generally kill unnervingly slowly in hell
and
ANY build with +5 skills is going to kill nerve wrackingly slow.
and
You're the one who accused orb/tk of being a slow build when it simply isn't.
?

[tgPYRO]

haha, my "call out for help" has turned into a debate thread...interesting. I think I'll do a Lightjava as of now.

[MoUsE_WiZ]

Yeah, except the words "goof off" mean something completely different from "mf". I don't get it; what's your point?
My point is an orber can go goof off anywhere it can kill, or even anywhere it can avoid death. If goofing off is completely different from MF then there's no reason killing even needs to be involved, nevermind killing quickly, so why could an orb/tk not go goof off in cows if it's a completely different thing from mfing?

Try it sometime? It's very dangerous if you're not a high enough level to ward off the %to hit that comes with not being at par/higher level than what you're porting around. Not that I recommend porting hell when you're that low levelled.
The entire start of this season was infested with spikes to 2000+ that didn't chase me out of games.


and
And +5 skills isn't significant, infact I'd consider it a bit below standard in that it's just a gambled circlet, a gambled amulet, and maybe a suicide branch depending on if the amulet is +2 all or +3 cold.

[tgPYRO]

No, forget that...I'm going with my orb/chant build. I feel comfortable that it'll be useful to orb for damage and use chant to help out my clan. Plus, with my friend being a conviction/smiter it should be great...I hope.

[bigD72]

No, forget that...I'm going with my orb/chant build. I feel comfortable that it'll be useful to orb for damage and use chant to help out my clan. Plus, with my friend being a conviction/smiter it should be great...I hope.
Basically any sorc running with a conviction paladin is going to OWN EVERYTHING.

[tgPYRO]

Yeah, figured that lol. Do you happen to know of any good Convict/Smitter builds? I'm sure he has his own idea but if there's a build, i'd perfer he follow someone who knows what they're doing lol.

[GodObelisk]

Yeah, figured that lol. Do you happen to know of any good Convict/Smitter builds? I'm sure he has his own idea but if there's a build, i'd perfer he follow someone who knows what they're doing lol.

If he has his own idea of a convict/smiter build then let him go ahead with his. IMO u as a clan leader is too domineering. Builds are there just for reference, especially when one knows nothing abt that build. Not all builds are suitable for all, cos u still have to factor in own playing style.

When 1 char falls, the next will be better :idea:

P.S. Half way replying, i noticed u are banned :wave:

[Socialism]

Yeah, I kinda wonder why/how that happened.

[pyro tg]

Yeah, I kinda wonder why/how that happened.

Dude, they don't like me...straight up. I got banned AGAIN when i re-made my account for no reason. He just said "Your banned! Stay banned, don't make a new account". I got banned cause I posted to a guy who asked me about a clan, a link to my clan page and because it has hacks on it they banned me. I had no idea. PM me and warn me, don't delete me and then delete me again when I make a new one. Whatever...

Anyways, thanks for the help guys on the advice. I'm doing the orb/chant sorc and we'll see from there. I keep up to date on how things go with your added advice. -TG-Pyro

[Hp_Sauce]

If you read the rules you will see that hacks, or links to hacks are a bannable action. If you read the rules you will also see that creating a new account after you were banned is a bannable action.

Its not that they "straight up don't like you." its that you broke the rules.

You have been reported (again probably.)

-hps

[Æmber]

thats pretty low...you reported him, lol.

[ZappaFan]

OMG, I had no idea it was wrong to post links to hacks and bots here! Woe is me!

Cry me a river. You're right, we don't like you. We don't like anybody that posts links such as those found on your home page. That's this site's prerogative. It's clearly stated in the rules - the rules that your are assumed to have read before you start posting here.

Dude, they don't like me...straight up. I got banned AGAIN when i re-made my account for no reason. He just said "Your banned! Stay banned, don't make a new account". I got banned cause I posted to a guy who asked me about a clan, a link to my clan page and because it has hacks on it they banned me. I had no idea. PM me and warn me, don't delete me and then delete me again when I make a new one. Whatever...

Anyways, thanks for the help guys on the advice. I'm doing the orb/chant sorc and we'll see from there. I keep up to date on how things go with your added advice. -TG-Pyro

[Æmber]

So your telling me you, all mighty Zappa, have NEVER used a 3rd party program for any game in his life? Just curious...

[bigD72]

So your telling me you, all mighty Zappa, have NEVER used a 3rd party program for any game in his life? Just curious...
Probably best to just walk away instead of poking at the embers.

[Socialism]

Man there was this girl, Amber Woods, that I wanted SO badly when I was in uni... most naturally beautiful girl I've ever - ever met. I'm generally pretty slick with teh wymmyns... she turned me into putty. STALE putty.

Too bad she only liked white guys.

Btw: "I'm a clan leader! Rarr! Gieb me builds with which to dominate my clan! WHICH IS THE BEST!? !?!?! Yes, your advices are good. BUT NOW OK I ASK AGAIN; FROM MEDIOCRE SELECTION OF BUILDS WHICH IS BEST FOR HC? I haefv no itams, which will be best now??? ok ok with itams I don't have but will plan to get because mjy clan si reallyi wactiv!!! I sleep now, YOU ANSWER NOW I'LL READ IT IN THE MORNING, HARVESTING ALL YOUR INTELLIGENT CONTRIBUTIONS THEN IGNORING THEM COMPLETELY, WHILST ATTEMPTING TO SUCK MORE OF YOUR VETERAN WISDOM FROM YOUR EYEBALLS" is really quite obnoxious.

...sorry, I haven't had my coffee yet. <3 you!

[Æmber]

Man there was this girl, Amber Woods, that I wanted SO badly when I was in uni... most naturally beautiful girl I've ever - ever met. I'm generally pretty slick with teh wymmyns... she turned me into putty. STALE putty.

Too bad she only liked white guys.

Btw: "I'm a clan leader! Rarr! Gieb me builds with which to dominate my clan! WHICH IS THE BEST!? !?!?! Yes, your advices are good. BUT NOW OK I ASK AGAIN; FROM MEDIOCRE SELECTION OF BUILDS WHICH IS BEST FOR HC? I haefv no itams, which will be best now??? ok ok with itams I don't have but will plan to get because mjy clan si reallyi wactiv!!! I sleep now, YOU ANSWER NOW I'LL READ IT IN THE MORNING, HARVESTING ALL YOUR INTELLIGENT CONTRIBUTIONS THEN IGNORING THEM COMPLETELY, WHILST ATTEMPTING TO SUCK MORE OF YOUR VETERAN WISDOM FROM YOUR EYEBALLS" is really quite obnoxious.

...sorry, I haven't had my coffee yet. <3 you!

haha, no no no TRUST ME i'm taking in everyone advice. I've been planning and reading and reading like crazy. I'm not even worried about my clan at this point, its nothing important. Thanks for all your guys' help, and trust that i took it in and learned a few things.

[Socialism]

Look, I'mna toss one last piece of CONSTRUCTIVE advice at you.

You'll never know if you don't play. With the sheer wealth of information the dii.net forums avail to you, it is easy to become paralyzed with illusions of perfection at every step.

This is difficult to overcome; and the urge to plan > the urge to play, sometimes.

That's how it is for me.

So- roll the dice, pick a build, and play it. Screw up a few times. You can always remake a character. But you'll soon get bored of planning, and play won't seem as appealing anymore when you're done reiterating builds.

Asking for all the advice in the world and reading won't make you a better player. Playing, coupled with some moments of wisdom gained through personal experience, however, will.

[ZappaFan]

So your telling me you, all mighty Zappa, have NEVER used a 3rd party program for any game in his life? Just curious...

I've never used a bot, never hacked, never used any of the things that you have linked on your home page, and displayed here, and broke the rules, which caused you to be banned here (although that's not the issue here, regardless). Now that you've been banned for breaking the rules here, you will stay banned. We ban people, not simply the nicknames they dream up. Stay away, you're not welcome here.

[Baranor]

Some people just don't get it Zappa...

[STINGER]

Darn, I missed all the fun!

[STINGER]

Hum.......if I knew I was going to be with a Convic build as a Sorc i wouldnt go cold i would probably go Fireball/Met it is easily the more fun to play sorc spamming Fireballs.