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xpumafangx
06-08-2006, 21:24
PVM VICIOUS COYOTE
This is a werewolf build meant for doing play vers monster. It’s primarily built for doing rush’s. With most of its items needed to be cheap to get other then 1 of them. You could load up on expensive or very rare items as well. That really is not needed for this. This build is more for people who really enjoy using werewolves to the point where they do not want to use any other build when they play this game. I will tell you skills, items used, and what not. I will not give you a dueling section for this. But if you get attacked wile doing a rush with this build you should be able to defend your self.
STATS
Str- Enough to use items. You could put it to the point where you could use a monarch but monarchs isn’t needed.
Dex- Now if you do not want 75% block rate and want the hit points instead. With your items on you want 136 so you can use a phase blade. Other then for block rate, with items on you should have 222 by level 99. Yes you are going to put a good amount to this for block rate. But if you want more hit points you do not really need to add to this then. Also only worry about block rate if you are going to use a stormsheild.
Vit- every left over point, you would want a lot of hit points to make this build work.
SKILLS
Werewolf 20 points
Lycanthropy 20 points
Fury 20 points
Oak Sage 20 points
Or
Heart of the Wolverine 20 points
Hunger rest of your points goes into this skill
ITEMS
I will talk about my favorite topic first weapons.
WEAPONS
Grief and only grief will do, most likely a grief phase blade. I have been doing tests. I still have no clue why only grief works with this. But when you use hunger, life tap, and a ebotdz, ebotd gpa, and ebotd champion axe. Wile being effected by iron maiden. You will take damage. But when I was using a grief phase blade I was not taking damage. Since I was using a high damage grief phase and healing myself wile using hunger, and life tap. Wile being effected by iron maiden. I will then stick to saying use grief phase blade.
ARMOR
You could use a good number of armors.
Coh- 65 resist all, 2 to all skills, damage to demons/undead, and 20 str. The downfall to this armor is that it is expensive. Where other items will do just as well. So if you want you can use this armor go for it. I believe you should use the next one.
Treachery- fade 60 resist all, cursed timed –79%, and 15% dr. Then you get venom 305-325 poison damage. This should trigger a lot more when you are using grief phase blade. 20% fhr is the other nice thing about this armor.
Fort- 300% more damage, and 20-30 resist all. Chilling armor is a joke. And again it is more expensive. But if it is what you want go with it. But I really need to test this armor to see if it hurts you wile being effected by iron maiden.
Smoke- 50 resist all, and 20% fhr
You really want your armor and shield to have a high resist all. Talking about shields lets move on to that.
xpumafangx
06-08-2006, 21:28
SHEILDS
You really do not need to use stormsheild for this. You should only use stormsheild with this build if you are going to do player vs. all.
Sanctuary dragon shield- This is a good shield for resist all it comes with dex on it. So that’s helps remove the dex needed for a phase blade.
Titamats rebuke- I have found this shield to be really helpful when dealing with physical immune monsters. Very slow block rate so if you get swarmed its not going to help you.
I would have stated more shields but again those shields had a really slow block rate.
RINGS AND AMULETS
Really there are only 2 you could use.
Raven frosts- attack ratting, plus to dex, and cannotbefrozen. You don’t need much more. I like having a high attack ratting.
Atmas scarab- 5% to cast amp on striking, 20% attack ratting, and poison resist 75%
Rare ring with plus to str, dex, and attack ratting that’s over 100.
BELTS
I wish there was a better belt but there isn’t.
M’avina’s Tenet- 20% run/walk, 5% mana leech. This build works with using run/walk to help make the rush faster. Also the mana leech is just a plus it is not needed at all.
BOOTS
The ideal boots would be ones with ar, 40% run/walk, and plus to life. So really you have Ik boots and then you could go with aulders boots. Both boots have a high str needed. After that sanders riprap is actly a good pair of boots for this build.
Sanders riprap- 40% run/walk, 100 attack ratting, 10 dex, and 5 str.
Aulders advance- 40% run/walk, and 50 life. Too much str needed.
Immortal king’s pillar- 40% run/walk, 110 attack ratting, and 44 life. Again a lot of str needed.
GLOVES
I say go with dracs as your main gloves. You could go with bloodfists as well. But really you want life tap for this.
Dracul’s grasp- 25% open wounds, 10-15 str, 5% chance to cast life tap on striking, and 7-10% life leech. There are very little bad things about these gloves. They are only worth a pul rune on ladder for low str ones so that’s cheap no matter how you cut it.
Bloodfist- Plus 40 life, and 30% faster hit recovery. Great pair of gloves for this builds if you do not all ready have Dracs.
HELMS
Ok Jalal’s main is a great helm for this. But if you want to go over board and go with expensive items go with a 2 druid skills, or 3 to shape shifting skills circlet. It needs to have 30% run/walk on it. Other mods that are nice are resist all, plus to str, plus to dex, and plus to life in a pure amount.
xpumafangx
06-08-2006, 21:29
CHARMS
Hellfire druid torch- +to all stats, and +3 to druid skills. If you can get this for cheap get it.
After that stock up on run/walk charms. Get your self around 150% run/walk. No need to go over 200% and 100% run/walk is a little slow.
Then you want to make up for hit recovery looses get your self up to 42% faster hit recovery.
FINAL NOTES
As you can see the point was to make a great build using as little expensive items as you could. The key mods to this build are +350-400 damage from grief, around 150% run/walk, 42% faster hit recovery, and resist all. I do not feel that a player should spend more then a little over the price of a grief phase blade. It is also meant to never die in hell. Even to the point where you would never die to being effected by iron maiden. Well innless you’re dumb and decide to use fury when effected by iron maiden. Yes this build could do hard-core hell as well.
xpumafangx
06-08-2006, 21:31
Well tell me what you all think about it.
Your curses will override each other causing :mad:
xpumafangx
06-08-2006, 23:01
Right which neather one will be worryed about. Inless you are dealing with phy immues.
I love the idea of havin a Wolf do rush's , maybe a should sell of my hammer paladin eh?
Enigma might be another good option for armor for the occasional teleport across a river , bridge , etc.
HarbingersOfSkulls
07-08-2006, 02:33
I love the idea of havin a Wolf do rush's , maybe a should sell of my hammer paladin eh?
Enigma might be another good option for armor for the occasional teleport across a river , bridge , etc.
Ya you should...gib him to me...besides it doesn't sound right having arwwooo! growlz coming from a bowlegged pally.
HoS
xpumafangx
07-08-2006, 03:45
Ya who wants a bowlegged palladin any ways? You do know why theyre bowlegged dont you?
Please enlighten everyone on why palli's are bowlegged Rofl.
xpumafangx
08-08-2006, 23:15
If I told you that here then there is a 50/50 chance of me getting banned. If I told you that in the paladin forum, its auto banning.
xpumafangx
11-08-2006, 04:59
Ok ok so i bummed it so sue me. Just dont ban me
figured id give another option for sheild
Ive tested out a "sanctuary" troll nest for pvm wolf and it work's good for the resistance and still has good block% it really helped me max my res in hell.
LeegionOnEast
13-08-2006, 19:42
figured id give another option for sheild
Ive tested out a "sanctuary" troll nest for pvm wolf and it work's good for the resistance and still has good block% it really helped me max my res in hell.
I use that in my stash for my PvP Fury/Rabies Druid. The FHR, FBR, Block%, resists, and +dex is just amazing. For my new wolf, based on the Vita build, I'm gonna stash Shaefer's, Sancturay and a T-Gods for killing Trappers and Light Sorcs.
75+(50-70)+(20-40)+30+30=195-225 Lightning Resist, with 85% cap. Even with -resists, you still can tank them. My planned Vita Fury/Rabies wolf will have roughly 10k life...211 light resists against Trappers/Lightning Sorcs...should be fun. :evil:
IMCanadian
02-09-2006, 05:29
Thought Id bump a few non stickied guides...search feature is relativly unknown here...
nickedoff
02-09-2006, 15:48
There's a lot of spelling mistakes that'choo should probably fix.
keeperofstars
20-01-2007, 18:26
I am making this build and wondering a few things
is
Oak Sage 20 points
Or
Heart of the Wolverine 20 points
Better.
I know the oak Sage will give me a ton of hp, but thinking that the heart of wolverine will give me a ton of damage, added on with fury and I will be hitting for insane damage, which means tons of lifetap.
Also would it be better to get
fire claws over hunger
I suggest this cause I never seem to need to use hunger once again cause of my life/mana drains on hit.
I have only made it to hell and have started it, so have no clue if any of the above really play out at the end of the game, or if its just a preference piece.
Verashiden
20-01-2007, 23:09
Fire Claws is only effective with 30+ skill points invested. You'd have to sacrifice the spirit to make it killing speed.
Also, Hunger is used simply because it owns IM. Any physical attack that does that deserves to be a secondary attack.
Oak vs HOW depends on preference. One isn't better than the other. Though I do have to note that in my experience HoW does a lot less suiciding into monsters.
Cdnexpat
21-01-2007, 05:28
HOW or Oak Sage comes down to personal preference. The conventional wisdom seems to be HOW for bears and Oak for wolves, go with the one you feel most comfortable with.
IMO Fire Claws would be a poor choice, it needs a lot of synergies and there are a lot of fire immunes in hell.
Hunger + Draculs + Grief allows you to leach back life when your cursed with Iron Maiden. It may be the only combination that lets you keep on fighting when IMed. If Amp overwrites your Life Tap all bets are off.
If you have the posted gear you should have no problems in hell.
keeperofstars
25-01-2007, 15:12
After a bit more testing, I find Oak Sage is better option.
While you will lifetap more with HOW, you run into issues when you find two mobs that spectrual hit cause they can almost wipe you out in 3 hits. Unless you have Oak Sage helping to double your life.
I do have one question, it seems that if you go into wolf you get your life bonus and then if you put oak sage on you get that bonus based off your wolf life, but if you put on Oak Sage when in normal mode then change to wolf you only get the oak sage bonus off your normal life.
Am I missing something or should I just plan for this lol.
Also since both gives an hp bonus based of current hp pools which would be better to bring up first the wolf or the oak sage?
Also since both gives an hp bonus based of current hp pools which would be better to bring up first the wolf or the oak sage?
Oak sage at level 20 will give you a 125% Bonus to your life.
Lycanthropy at level 20 Will boost your life by 115%
I would still work on maxin Lycanthropy first though it not only keeps that % of life gained depending on the skill level when shifted but also increases time your shifted time of course. Then you wont be Handicapped from Oak sage gettin killed off.
So yah , Deffinatly max lycan first and make your wolfie fur shine awooo!
keeperofstars
28-01-2007, 11:15
For those looking into different helms, I find talrashas' helm is a nice one for this build.
gives
10% life per hit
10% mana per hit
+60 life which when you tag on oak and lyco, you get around 150 bonus hp, so you get 210hp from the helm.
+15% to all resistance which for hell starts to become key if you are lacking on resist.
Overall with this helm and a few other pieces and without drac's gloves yet, I get around 50%+ life per hit back, with my grief phase I am going 1k so I get 500 hp back times 5 for fury, and I get around 2500 hp back per attack.
BildBenny
28-01-2007, 12:52
Personally, I prefer HoW over Oak, mainly because the life you gain when you've got an Oak Sage with you kind of makes you depend on that extra HP. Whenever it dies I'm going "Uh-oh, I've got at least 1k lesser HP now...".
sry for the OT but kiba ur wolfbarb vid on ur sig is really really cool m8...
was it expensive?
keeperofstars
28-01-2007, 20:27
True about oak sage dying can suck, but it takes .3 seconds to spawn another one. lol
Also i use an offensive merc from nm act 2 which gives just about the same damage incase as HOW so i get best of both worlds. Super high damage and that extra 1k hp which now with me jumping tons of stats into vital, while keeping my block around 50% It gives me closer to 1.5k
keeperofstars
29-01-2007, 18:27
ok, what monster or magic is the one causing me to lose wolf shapeshift when around chaos sant. I am assuming it is one of the chaos knights, do we know which one? That way I can always make a run for him first.
Its a real pain to be in the middle of a ton of mobs and then have that debuf hit me and I turn normal with almost no life at all.
Also has anyone found any tricks that help prevent it from happening to begin with.
And just to go on the record lol it sucks / unfair its one thing to lose your aura for a few mins, or lose bone armor / ice armor its another to lose all your abilities and everything you are as a shapeshifter lol.
Oh and one improvement to this build, get a solid charm or piece of gear that does some sort of damage other then poison. the only mobs I run into issues with are poison immune with physical immune but I picked up a magic/cold azurthrath weapon and lay waste to those guys, but fyi the current gear mentioned is mostly posion based which works well cause of the normal physical damage it gives but need other damage to be locked into 100% super killer. :)
mpbu mpsu
29-01-2007, 20:25
uhm smiter own D2 man. but wolfies are cool ;) tomb reaver works better than grief . grief dmg + stormshield = 6k fury tombreaver = 11k dmg
xpumafangx
30-01-2007, 09:33
uhm smiter own D2 man. but wolfies are cool ;) tomb reaver works better than grief . grief dmg + stormshield = 6k fury tombreaver = 11k dmg
Smiters die to wolfys fungaled bite.
Now go back and read again plz.
BildBenny
30-01-2007, 12:53
ok, what monster or magic is the one causing me to lose wolf shapeshift when around chaos sant. I am assuming it is one of the chaos knights, do we know which one? That way I can always make a run for him first.
That would be every melee build's all-time favourite curse - Iron Maiden. Check the beastiary on ArreatSummit.
Verashiden
30-01-2007, 16:36
Check under "Oblivion Knight"
exile soe
31-01-2007, 10:34
i alredy use this build cept 4 some of the items its not really THAT new
keeperofstars
01-02-2007, 02:03
I also find having a famine axe on the side as an alt weapon rocks with this build.
does 50-200+ damage in magic,fire,cold,lighting and has 12% life per hit.
I use it as a sub / main in hell.
The original gear listing with grief relies heavily on the posion damage which in hell everything is posion immune. Add on a physical immune and grief = garbage.
I hit W and own that mob instantly.
Just what I have observed. The only mobs that give any issue are physical immunes with posion immune, not even mana burns are an issue.
oh and the crappy iron madien knights which knock me out of wolf, havent died yet cause of it just have to tap a full rejuvie and grab wolf again.
Verashiden
01-02-2007, 02:26
Yeah, but the point of Grief is that it somehow doesn't one shot you when you use Hunger and you're IMed. It might have to do with Grief's damage not being listed on anything. However, due to that fact alone, Grief should be your main weapon.
keeperofstars
02-02-2007, 04:12
yeah anytime i know I have a chance for iron maiden on me i use grief, its times when you go against griswold or the witch, or the council and they are immune to phys and immune to poison that grief = 0 damage to the mob need some weapon to handle these guys and I find famine does the job super fast :)
Also if you have your hell resist up to max the return from the magic damage of iron maiden is much less then a phycial attack. Granted though the hunger / grief trick works best.
Just saying the original gear listed has a hole in it and am offering what I found to be a sweet option to fill it.
Verashiden
02-02-2007, 07:14
... You can resist IM. Also, it returns 200% of the damage you deal. So IM = You turn human immediately without Grief.
Persoanlly, I'd rather have Azure Wrath on switch. Why waste the HRs?
xpumafangx
24-02-2008, 07:10
The build is ment to take down phy immues with amp and phy damage. You remove the phy immues and then go from there. I remaber how verishi did his and its a great ideal. I would back Azure Wrath way way before I would back famine.
That is because speed is very inportant when you are talking about werewolves fighting skills.
Famines a joke.
Ive been looking at a lot of fury druid guides lately and there seems to be several different opinions on all the different items slots
This is what I am using/looking to use soon
any opinions would be appreciated, all of em =)
Helm-Jalals
Ammy-Should i use atmas, Metalgrid...??
Armor-Bramble,Fort,GA....??
Wep-Grief or Ebotdz or 6 shaeld phase?? and what to use in the mean time?
Glove-Drac, Bloodfist, Venomgrip? lots of different ideas here
Belt-Dungos,Tenet??
Boots-Sanders, Gore riders??
Rings-Ravenfrost or SOJ
Shield-Always SS
thanks much
DERP!
Verashiden
20-08-2008, 21:50
I'm not sure what you're asking. Most Fury guides have different builds because this is a Hybrid, Fury/Rabies is a Hybrid, then there's pure Fury. What kind of Wolf are you making? Then use that guide.
Seems like it's still many of those "Is this gear good for my wolf" questions. ._.
Pure PVM fury at this point
DERP!
Verashiden
21-08-2008, 20:51
Then use BJam's guide.
Then use BJam's guide.
Would you say that Bjam's guide is a good PvM in general?
I will try to go trough the game with a friend (playing Barbarian).
I was thinking of Oak Vs HoW. In general people say HoW is the way to go, but since we are doing HC and he will pump BO the Oak will get some addtional life.
The biggest problem for us will be IM and I honestly don't know how we are gonna do that.
Last time we played Blizz Sorc + Barbarian, but I'm just so sick of playing a Blizz Sorc.
xpumafangx
24-03-2009, 17:42
Look if you want to use this build, yes you will beable to ingore iron maiden, and have a unkillable werewolf in pvm. Just remaber you must go off and use the items on the list inorder to do so. Go with oak sage so you can have the extra hp.
OblivionLord
24-06-2009, 04:46
How would you distribute skill points? Would you aim to max Werewolf then Lycanthropy or would you do 1 and 1 untill both are maxed out?
After you do that would you then max out Fury and then Oak Sage?
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