a question

[kamikazy]

what is better for pvm, blizzard or orb? and to add chain lighting or ts?

[goomba]

what is better for pvm, blizzard or orb? and to add chain lighting or ts?

I took my orber to lvl 83 before giving up on her. my blizzer is 89, and I have found her to be more effective pvm using the freeze with bolt/blast spam method, then raining the blizzard down.

orber worked great on cows, but in cs runs it seemed that the orbs just weren't powerful enough to actually do any of the killing, instead just made a crazy mess of the screen and slowed down the non-immunes for the other party members to kill

[Rawly]

High damage blizzard (2500+) with 17+ CM does alot of damage killing the biggest monsters quickly in 8ppl games (unless they are cold immue ofc). But it is not easy to use and doesnt always hit so you need to move about alot teleporting over your targets to get them to go back through. For end game nothing beats it for speed of kill, for mf on bosses it is hard to beat it. Virtually all top ladder sorcs are blizzard sorcs mine is lv 90.

FO is really nice at killing all monsters in an area quickly upto a point when it starts to struggle, such as more than a few ppl in a hell game. In nightmare and normal nothing is better, you also can add points into another skill to offer some flexability, with blizzard you have to pump all the masteries to make it the killing machine it is. I often take an orber to lv 70+ by doing nightmare none quest cs mf runs early in a season then use her to rush characters.

Each has its strengths and weaknesses, for me if i want a high level character that will do hell CS alot and be good for andy and meph mf then blizzard is the choice, for rushing ppl then i would use orb with TS.

[theelitewarrior]

I disagree with rawly, interms of pvm overall blizzard is marginally better, but that margin is so slim that I would prefer to make an orber, imo orbers are better svs. I have never lost a svs against a blizz sorc using my lvl 89 orber. Blizz sorcs are to slow and it takes a heck of a lot of time for that blizzard to come down!

Sure orb sorcs can't cs very well but your point on blizz sorcs can cs pretty well is stupid because imo dins are what get you through cs runs not sorcs.
Atleast a orb sorc can freeze the un-immune monsters faster then any blizz sorc can.

Blizz = ezy

[Rawly]

I disagree with rawly, interms of pvm overall blizzard is marginally better, but that margin is so slim that I would prefer to make an orber, imo orbers are better svs. I have never lost a svs against a blizz sorc using my lvl 89 orber. Blizz sorcs are to slow and it takes a heck of a lot of time for that blizzard to come down!

Sure orb sorcs can't cs very well but your point on blizz sorcs can cs pretty well is stupid because imo dins are what get you through cs runs not sorcs.
Atleast a orb sorc can freeze the un-immune monsters faster then any blizz sorc can.

Blizz = ezy
Read the topic he is not asking about pvp.

And as for cs, my blizz sorc can kill infi and viz much more quickly than a solo pala so long as they are not cold immune and that is the only reason that a hammerdin is needed in cs is to kill cold immunes quickly.

[Creon]

I love that Orb requires no more than 64 skill points to completely max out. You don't even need maxed CM or any Frost Bolt for it to be effective in Hell, either. Almost every Blizzard build puts all but 3 or 4 of your skill points in Blizzard and synergies. I'd rather take Orb with Static and something else.

For pure solo killing speed in a multiplayer game, Blizzard is definitely better.

[Beltyn]

Orb is far better for making a rusher, you can get orb v. effective and max teleport to be able to rush even if getting hit by mana drain enemies.

Yeah blizz does the more damage, but its a pain in the behind to actually hit stuff acurately, and needs mucho investment in synergies to get the damage up.

Plus orb looks way more cool :cool:

[Locke07]

I disagree with rawly, interms of pvm overall blizzard is marginally better, but that margin is so slim that I would prefer to make an orber, imo orbers are better svs. I have never lost a svs against a blizz sorc using my lvl 89 orber. Blizz sorcs are to slow and it takes a heck of a lot of time for that blizzard to come down!

Sure orb sorcs can't cs very well but your point on blizz sorcs can cs pretty well is stupid because imo dins are what get you through cs runs not sorcs.
Atleast a orb sorc can freeze the un-immune monsters faster then any blizz sorc can.

Blizz = ezy

True that a Dins do most of the speedy killing, but try that once you get up to the 90's when every kill you make needs to count. The great thing about blizz sorc's are that htey can raid CS games and out pace a din to the non immune Seals. And the topic of rushing, honestly does it really matter? I teleport through most things through normal and nm anyway, only killing the absolutley needed bosses. Once in Hell act 3 I switch to my Din. I feel my blizz sorc does just fine at rushing!

Locke07

[goomba]

hrm, I have no problem hitting monsters with blizzard.

left mouse button = spike/bolt to freeze, right mouse = freezing rain..., then hot key right mouse button over to teleport, dance around, rinse, lather and repeat. *Shrug*

even the champions (non cold immune) get pwned quickly

and, unlike the orb, the spike/bolt freezes noncoldsimmunes/non-champions right in their tracks...

a 1,100 spike isn't anything to sneeze off either, especially if one is spamming them with fballer style fcr...

[goomba]

True that a Dins do most of the speedy killing, but try that once you get up to the 90's when every kill you make needs to count. The great thing about blizz sorc's are that htey can raid CS games and out pace a din to the non immune Seals. And the topic of rushing, honestly does it really matter? I teleport through most things through normal and nm anyway, only killing the absolutley needed bosses. Once in Hell act 3 I switch to my Din. I feel my blizz sorc does just fine at rushing!

Locke07

:werd:

if a sorc can't rush, it's user error... even my pure chantress can do a half assed job of rushing through nm, and into early hell by swapping out her chant stick for shard/p diamond shield...

[Rawly]

:werd:

if a sorc can't rush, it's user error... even my pure chantress can do a half assed job of rushing through nm, and into early hell by swapping out her chant stick for shard/p diamond shield...

Hmm ofc almost anyone can rush but for speed, an orb sorc with high level teleport can get to the necessary places without filling up on mana pots the whole time and can clear an area so a level 1 char can happily stand without dying whilst you kill the quest boss. Also in normal and nm it is a fire and forget skill that kills everything in its path so you dont have to sit and wait to check if your blizzard killed the monster in question.

It is just a question of taste but if you were doing alot of rushing say for LoD hellforge quests a specialist orb sorc makes life easier.