Noobie pally question

[Dwade]

I found a ravenclaw the other day, and wanted to play around with a pally who used holy fire. Just to make sure, zeal doesn't work with ranged attacks right?

[goomba]

I found a ravenclaw the other day, and wanted to play around with a pally who used holy fire. Just to make sure, zeal doesn't work with ranged attacks right?

I believe you are correct, zeal is only melee.

holy fire + prepatch rclaw = whoa O.O

maxed holy fire + post patch rclaw = only moderate success with even as low as nm cows (unless you can also get a chant from a maxed chantress)

I too thought about some intriguing possibilities that didn't work for rclaw.

e.g. I thought it'd be neat to do a strafe zon with rclaw + chant, found (at least on whatever I screwed up) that using strafe negates the exploding arrows.

that being said, I've never really had a bow worth building a bowazon past the current lvl 4x that failed experiment/now mule currently is.

*shrug*

[Creon]

Maxed Holy Fire with synergies won't even be as much fire damage as the typical Enchant that an Enchantress gives to normal mode characters. Maxed Enchant with as much +skills as you can get plus max Holy Fire with Synergies will be about 2500 fire damage.

What about pre-patch Raven Claw makes it better?

[fledgeling]

my level 16 ravenclaw LLD (with skills not maxed, around 5pts in synergy) with +2 skills does 150max damage..
it is not much

prepatch ravenclaw can kill monsters in hell act3 as far as I know
it has level 30 firearrow (now the ravenclaws have level 3 firearrow)

[norvi11erogers]

What about pre-patch Raven Claw makes it better?

apparently, much higher exploding arrow, like lvl 20 or something

edit: pwned

[Dwade]

My pallys not gonnna make it past 25, i just have him to screw around in LLD games, and pallys are just so much cooler than sorcs anyways =P
Also, how can u tell if ravenclaw is pre patch or not, what mods are different?

[Creon]

Level requirement versus no level requirement, and prepatch has no ED.

[Fearlessone]

I too thought about some intriguing possibilities that didn't work for rclaw...e.g. I thought it'd be neat to do a strafe zon with rclaw + chant, found (at least on whatever I screwed up) that using strafe negates the exploding arrows...that being said, I've never really had a bow worth building a bowazon past the current lvl 4x that failed experiment/now mule currently is. *shrug*
Well, that really sucks to know that. When I play with lightning zons they are always asking for enchant. I have a max lvl enchantress with a +5 enchant staff and the works. Finally figured out that they wanted it for the LIGHTNING IMMUNES, which they killed quite readily, prob using some sort of jab skill. My enchantress is lvl 85 and uses the rclaw bow in late hell, its quite effective except for all the fire immunes that get in the way, and if i try to tele to a closer position, I get swarmed. Fortunately, I can orb and static when fire immunes are around.

I have to be the only enchantress in hell that regularly uses a bow on my realm. She dies quite a bit, no shield and low resists.

And, yeah, u cant zeal with a bow. Now a barb can frenzy with a bow, provided u make the switch to the bow fast enough. I had a ranger here in classic, he got to lvl 91 in 1.09 after they added a dmg bonus to fanaticism. But the higher monster hitpoints now have made him obsolete. Now I know that iceblink works a fraction of the time with a bow, the freezing part. A player needs to be very near or well over the monster level for the freezing to even work in melee. Would crushing blow from goblin toes and/or rcage work with a bow? Thats something to test...

[fledgeling]

what happens if you frenzy with a bow
how do you do it

can you use venegance with bow somehow?


crushing blow works with bows, but it's worse
not sure if it affects multishot - I think only 1 or 2 central arrows are affected

[Byaxident]

Would crushing blow from goblin toes and/or rcage work with a bow?

From bnet's website:

Crushing Blow
This is a chance of reducing a monster's health by X% in a single blow.

-Default: 1/4th
-vs. Players: 1/10th
-vs. Hirelings: 1/10th
-vs. Champions, Uniques, Bosses: 1/8th
-with missile weapons, default: 1/8th
-with missile weapons, vs. Players: 1/20th
-with missile weapons, vs Hirelings: 1/20th
-with missile weapons, vs Champions, Uniques, Bosses: 1/16th

[Fearlessone]

Oh. Should have been more specific. You make alot of hits with frenzy while u equip two weapons, to get up to max frenzy speed. Now before 1.08, u had about 19 seconds of frenzy in classic, and in LoD u can switch weapons easily with a hotkey, but alas we only have 6 seconds of frenzy time and no easy switch here in classic now. So u can equip the bow and run around like crazy for the remaining seconds and fire very fast, it can look like a machine gun. So the frw and ias are transferred to the barb carrying a bow, but not for long.

Vengeance with a bow, no i dont think so. The closest thing u might get to it is a 6 socketed bow with pgems. In LoD there are bows im sure with lots of elemental damage that paladins can use. They have uniq elite flying axes with about 1500 total elemental dmg, that u can throw or use vengence with or zeal!

[WarlockCC]

Vengeance is Melee, so indeed if you use a throwing axe for a vengeance attack it'll be a melee one.
My prepatch (not prelod) Ravenclaw has a level requirement of 15. I only use it for leveling though. You can get to level 15 relatively easy by early act 2, from there on it's a walk in the park, especially when you get level 16 for Twitch for some more IAS to add to the Deaths IAS.
Only thing I would ever think of switching my Frenzy-barbs to is double-swing, which, at max Frenzy speed is faster then Frenzy. You just need to switch back to Frenzy every now and then to keep up the Frenzy string. I think by the time I switch to a bow, the Frenzy would be gone. 6 seconds is not a lot.
Most of the time finding other monsters to Frenzy within that 6 second timespan is not possible.