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I just got a hold of my first botd axe for a few years. Ebotd ethereal zerker axe. And i wanted to make my first ww barb for pvp and pvm in a while.
Stat points:
20 axe mastery
1 iron skin
1 increased speed
1 natural resistance
20 battle orders
20 shout
1 battle command
1 battle cry
20 whirlwind
1 berserk
Skill points:
174 strength
75-80 dexterity
all vitality
energy?
Gear:
Arreats face/CoA
Ebotd Zerker
Beast or Ebotd/Oath?
Highlords
2 Soj/Bul kathos or R frost?
Goreriders
Bramble or what enigma
Arachnid mesh
Its mainly pvp i think im missing out on a few things right there, havnt much experience with barbarians for the longest time and hoping i could get some help on a few things.
I just got a hold of my first botd axe for a few years. Ebotd ethereal zerker axe. And i wanted to make my first ww barb for pvp and pvm in a while.
Stat points:
20 axe mastery
1 iron skin
1 increased speed
1 natural resistance
20 battle orders
20 shout
1 battle command
1 battle cry
20 whirlwind
1 berserk
If you're gonna face barbs, then you want Shout. If not, put the points into Leap instead.
Skill points:
174 strength
75-80 dexterity
all vitality
energy?
Why so high STR? Why so low/high dex? That's not enough for max block.
Gear:
Arreats face/CoA
Ebotd Zerker
Beast or Ebotd/Oath?
Highlords
2 Soj/Bul kathos or R frost?
Goreriders
Bramble or what enigma
Arachnid mesh
Rings: 2x RFrosts
Grief Zerker
Beast Zerker
triple resistance boots
Enigma. Why would you ever use Bramble?
Its mainly pvp i think im missing out on a few things right there, havnt much experience with barbarians for the longest time and hoping i could get some help on a few things.
It seems as if you're making a BvC here. A few things to point out about them:
They put high points into Leap
They have no block
They have pretty high life (usually on the better side of 6 000)
They can kill pretty much every build in the game except for top notch BvBs
A few things you want to read:
http://forums.diabloii.net/showthread.php?t=346428&highlight=blobguide <- A BvC Guide
http://forums.diabloii.net/showthread.php?t=336610&highlight=dumbpig <- Another BvC Guide
http://forums.diabloii.net/showthread.php?t=430471 <- Stats explanation by MCM
http://forums.diabloii.net/showthread.php?t=479481 <- A decently helpful topic on BvCs. My outline of BvCs is also there
http://forums.diabloii.net/showthread.php?t=330393 <- a _very_ helpful topic about BvCs, also, MCM's short barb "guide" is in that topic.
What strength do you suggest 120-130? And 110 or so dex? I want to be facing more barbs than casters, i want bvb for the most part.
What strength do you suggest 120-130? And 110 or so dex? I want to be facing more barbs than casters, i want bvb for the most part.
You shouldn't have such high STR. In the end, it depends from your charms. I would try getting +20 stats torch and anni. This would allow to go with 81 STR and about 130ish Dexterity. However, if you plan to always use Enigma, then you can go with base STR.
Well i cant really afford Torch or Anni, possibly Anni but not a torch. And the only Enigma i have is like a 1.1k def archon, will that work for my barb? +60 strength based on character level. And 110 or so dexterity would work wouldn't it?
Well i cant really afford Torch or Anni, possibly Anni but not a torch. And the only Enigma i have is like a 1.1k def archon, will that work for my barb? +60 strength based on character level. And 110 or so dexterity would work wouldn't it?
1 thing:
Barbs are _very_ expensive PvP builds. Unless you can afford all the basic gear (torch, anni, enigma, fortitude, grief, etc), you won't have success. You simply _cannot_ perform well without good gear. For example, going with a 10 stats anni will result in your base stats being 111 STR and 160ish Dexterity. This results in about 4600 life with 33x 20 life scs in inventory. That's _really_ low.
Ive got enigma, i CAN get an anni, i can work up to torch, i can get fortitude and i have botd and beast, just no grief. I know i can get the gear. I need 103 strength to wield the enigma which would add 60 to strength and ability to wear botd which is 30 all attributes so i can wear everything i need for the most part afterwards.
Ive got enigma, i CAN get an anni, i can work up to torch, i can get fortitude and i have botd and beast, just no grief. I know i can get the gear. I need 103 strength to wield the enigma which would add 60 to strength and ability to wear botd which is 30 all attributes so i can wear everything i need for the most part afterwards.
Enigma adds 60 STR? You're lvl 80. Too low. Try +68 STR on lvl 90. That's good enough. Well, Grief of course is not a _must_, but you will get destroyed by most barbarians who use Grief. My BvC can use his Arreat's with only his gloves, and his Fortitude AP with only his charms. He's got 6110 life.
If you plan to use the Enigma all the time, then you should do this:
"Ko" the Arreat's, "Eld" the Stormshield and get a Mageplate Enigma. With 10 stats torch and anni, this results in base stats being zero points into STR and 76 points into DEX. That is, if you plan to use the Enigma all the time. If not, you will need 36 points into STR.
If you plan to use the Enigma all the time, then you should do this:
"Ko" the Arreat's, "Eld" the Stormshield and get a Mageplate Enigma. With 10 stats torch and anni, this results in base stats being zero points into STR and 76 points into DEX.
Would that set up be worth it? I know it'd leave alot more points for my vitality, but would the gear be enough bonus to be viable at a level lower than 80-90 :\ Im not to good with barbs, still learning.
I was hoping i'd be able to switch from Fort/Enigma. Or should i just go with the mage plate enigma and base strength.
I was hoping i'd be able to switch from Fort/Enigma. Or should i just go with the mage plate enigma and base strength.
Would that set up be worth it? I know it'd leave alot more points for my vitality, but would the gear be enough bonus to be viable at a level lower than 80-90 :\ Im not to good with barbs, still learning.
I was hoping i'd be able to switch from Fort/Enigma. Or should i just go with the mage plate enigma and base strength.
First off, do not bump your thread like this, it's against of the forum's rules.
Secondly, yes, switching to a fortitude will cost you a bit of life. It's up to you. As for the level thing, nothing is good in PvP that's of low lvl. You should at least be lvl 90.
I didn't notice i was double posting, my bad. Would the fortitude help me out in the longrun? I can get the mage plate right now and get the enigma for him, and it'll be ready but would fortitude be worth what id be giving up for it.
primosjp
28-07-2006, 21:28
wut kind of barb are you building? it seems like a bvc but you said u wanted to more barbs than casters. if you do duel barbs i would suggest a shield (ss) and angelic combo.
Ive already got some of the stuff and ladder should be resetting soon if what people say is true, so my friend and i are going to continue our current characters through non-ladder and create new ladder characters when season resets so when im through in non-ladder i think the bvb will be like this, i hope atleast and ive looked at some of the guides of bvb and ww and got the hook of it all.
Str-185
Dex-170
Vit-300+
Nrg-40?
20 ww
20 axe mastery
20 bo
20 shout
1 prereqs
extra iron skin
Stone/Enigma (for ladder fort)
Botd eth zerker (for ladder grief)
storm shield
dracul
SoE
Goreriders
R frost x2
Highlords
Delerium avenger guardian/Eth arreats face
I hope this has got the bvb basics down, followed the basic guides
Str-185
Dex-170
Vit-300+
Nrg-40?
This _isn't_ gonna happen. with lvl 99, you got 505 stats to spend. 505 - 185 - 170 + 50 = 200. And I doubt you going to lvl 99. Your stats are way too high, if those are base stats. If not, then report the base stats, not _after gear_ stats.
20 ww
20 axe mastery
20 bo
20 shout
1 prereqs
extra iron skin
If you ever want to duel casters, 14ish points in Leap is necessary.
Stone/Enigma (for ladder fort)
Botd eth zerker (for ladder grief)
storm shield
dracul
SoE
Goreriders
R frost x2
Highlords
Delerium avenger guardian/Eth arreats face
2x RFrosts and a Highlord's results in _way_ too low AR in BvB. Also, you do not want Stone, but Duress or Fortitude. Also, in BvB, Dungo>SoE.
What do you plan to do with the Delirium? Prebuff your bo?
Here are the basics on barb stats:
Strength: You ONLY put in enough strength to use your heaviest item, counting the +str you get from gear. All str does is add a very slight amount of damage, which is not worth it in comparison to the benefits of Vitality.
Dexterity: This totally depends on whether or not you have a shield. If you DO have a shield, you put in enough dex to obtain maximum block (which scales depending on the shield and your character level; stormshield requires 222 dex at level 99. If you are NOT using a shield, you should ONLY put enough dex to equip your weapon. No more. Dex does virtually nothing for a barb; the ar/def boosts are pitiful.
Energy: NOTHING. NEVER EVER EVER EVER put ANYTHING in energy. EVER.
Vitality: Everything you can. Any stat point that isn't required for blocking or equipping gear goes here.
Now then, if you're considering making a PvP barb, you have to decide what type of PvP you want to do.
BvC (Barb vs Caster): in this build, keep str low, put in dex enough for your weapon, and dual wield Beast and EBotD (Grief if you can get it). Pump vitality like crazy, and make sure you have 19-23 points of leap or so. Your armor in this instance will be Enigma, and make sure you have a ravenfrost and highlord's wrath.
BvB (Barb vs Barb/melee): Str for gear, dex for max block, everything else into vitality. Max shout, put leftover points into ironskin. Make sure you have stormshield, and either EBotD or Grief. Fortitude or such of that nature would be the armor of choice, with rings/amulet being the angelic set for the AR boost, which you will need to hit other high-armored opponents.
BvA (Barb vs All): Note that this build is not the zenith of performance against each class, but rather well rounded. You won't be the best against any particular class, but you will be able to fight everyone. Here you will need str for gear, dex for max block, 19-23 points of leap, and everything left goes to shout. Unfortunately, you will need all of the gear for both BvB and BvC in your stash, and switch off accordingly. Dual-wield beast with ebotd or grief against casters, and drop beast for stormshield in melee. Angelics for melee, highlord's for casters.
Keep a pair of echoing weapons for pre-buffing, along with Demon Limb for the enchant charges. When PvMing, use your EbotD (and I'd use stormshield if you do BvA), as it is indestructible, which will save you money on repairs while still doing more than enough damage to carry you on.
That should set you on the right path.
-Hal
I have ebotdz, stormshield, fortitude, arreats, and i am building bvb. I am already level 77, and ive been doing ok against other bvb. To get my Attack rating up for bvb what do you suggest, and i know those starts are too high even for 99. I have what my stats are at the moment. I have a few angelic ammy/ring sets i can put on him if that will help out alot.
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