Classic rushes

[BlueOctoberFan]

I've heard of people rushing characters to hell chaos sanctuary so that they can level them up to 60 or so rather quickly. My question is this... If I'm going to try to do this, is Hell as difficult in classic as with LOD? My experience thus far would indicate that I can barely get to A3 of hell in the expansion, so I have serious doubts of the feasability of this without runewords.

In a nutshell: is classic as difficult as LOD when you get to Hell? Is it worth trying to level up a rusher in classic? (sidebar: can I make a classic char since I've installed the expansion?)

[Rawly]

In a nutshell: is classic as difficult as LOD when you get to Hell? Is it worth trying to level up a rusher in classic? (sidebar: can I make a classic char since I've installed the expansion?)

No it is not as difficult, and when rushing you are only killing act bosses / surviving so you dont need a powerful char, only problem is most rushers use an orb sorc which is fine most of the time but there are some areas that cause a problem such as claw viper temple, sometimes the staff room in tal rasha's tomb, cant kill the council in act 3 with cold sorc always one immune, you really need a hammerdin as back up when you reach a spot you cant do.

yes you can make a classic char just remove the tick next to the create expansion character when creating a new character.

[emar]

I've heard of people rushing characters to hell chaos sanctuary so that they can level them up to 60 or so rather quickly. My question is this... If I'm going to try to do this, is Hell as difficult in classic as with LOD? My experience thus far would indicate that I can barely get to A3 of hell in the expansion, so I have serious doubts of the feasability of this without runewords.

In a nutshell: is classic as difficult as LOD when you get to Hell? Is it worth trying to level up a rusher in classic? (sidebar: can I make a classic char since I've installed the expansion?)

As a player coming from LoD to classic...

Eww, why the reliance on RWs?

Is hell as difficult? Not a chance - but don't take that as it's easy I can PWNZ Hell D with a level 2... Classic is easier, IMO, but some may disagree. OFC, you may have more difficulty with some builds over others, if you have little experience playing in classic. The whites only go up to Exceptional, and the uniques are the norm ones only. Rares are usually the better items. And the stats investment will differ greatly in the games (see no dex for block).

As a note, the merc's are pitiful, so don't plan to rely on them. On my lil sorc I had little difficulty getting through Hell (save for Trav). I did do single player for the most part though.

I made a char in classic for the sake of it and I had fun. S'up to you though.

Uncheck Expansion when creating a character - doesn't matter if you have the LoD CD in.

Edit: Owned, by the slow typing-ness :shocked:

[BlueOctoberFan]

Thanks to both of you. I think I'll have to give it a try. I haven't played classic since the first week I had the game, and didn't have LOD yet... That was about 5 years ago... wow. Time flies.

[Creon]

It's entirely possible to rush a person with an Orb sorc. You just have to be a bit more creative about things like council (Static + Lightning Merc) and Claw Viper (keep trying games until the altar doesn't have snakes on it).

[fledgeling]

when you rush your character to hell
you get to act4
and join "cs" games with hammerdins
they do the killing, you get the exp

[BlueOctoberFan]

Thanks for the help all. I was thinking of going with an orb/meteor or orb/fireball sorc. I don't really know anyone, and there don't seem to be many normal games in classic, so I guess I'm running solo.

Thus far, I've gotten to about lvl 10...

[Fearlessone]

There is no evidence that classic actIV Hell is "easier" than the same in LoD. You do not have to have any hammerdins in the party to get thru the cs in a breeze. You dont need runewords or godly items either. It was said u can rush a person with an orb sorc (also tele and static help bunches) but u dont have to be one yourself.

I just rushed my smiter to hell cs games and he lvled from 25-34 within 2 games and then I spent the skill points and he was able to start killing some important monsters and be a contributing member of the group. He already had a full selection of pally items off all my 10 mules = twinkage. And thats what u will have to do to survive and actually play in hell cs, unless u stay well behind the pack. Getting good bo is essential for a lower lvl to survive.

A well balanched strong party is key to lvling up speed, we have recently posted here alot as to the perfect chaos sanct party. The best and most important of which is a medium to pure warcry barb with good to max howl, and good to max bo. A hammerdin is nice, but a good necro along with those who will use his curses is just as useful.

Monsters dont seem to have any higher hitpoints in Lod than here. ActV is an exception, obviously! 1.08-1.10 raised hitpoints, AI, and resistances of monsters to LoD levels. This is just anecdotal experience, there hasnt been any testing, say of hell Izual using the same equipment and skill lvl. True, hell -100% resistances, which is -50% worse than classic, but then 3 Anya quests take care of 30% of that, and all those resistance charms u can cram into ur inventory and glory items make Lod, in fact, considerably easier than classic. Not to mention mercs, and the spoilt runewords, etc...etc...

[gosunoob]

if you have friend s you can do this

get chanted /w rclaw cplains and then black marsh then trist till 11-13
then either get a barb to clear arcane and all the tombs or get chanted and do same.
this takes you to lvl 20 from there cow till 25 then cs.
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normally popele dont mind low lvls joining cs runs just leave the party when diablo comes if your the lowest lvl in a full game. If u dont youll get banned lol.

i think best cs team 6 hammerdins 1 sora 1 barb max bo and some howl/battlecry(the one that stuns i dunno)

[WarlockCC]

actually people shouldn't mind low levels joining their party, as a high level you get more xp because of it. Indeed, if there are 8 people in the game, do like Gosunoob typed, leave the party before diablo appears. They will appreciate you for it and you won't miss out on a lot of xp. For you, you get more xp of all the monsters being killed (if they bother to do that).

[BlueOctoberFan]

So my basic problem is this: I usually play LOD, and was hoping to exploit the faster rushes/experience for another char by doing hell cs runs. If I haven't been able to get to a4 hell in LOD, do I stand a chance in classic, or am I just wasting my time?

Random info, not sure if it's helpful: I don't know people on-line, so any time I'm rushing, I'm controlling both chars, and generally in a game by myself or at least away from everyone else.

[WarlockCC]

I would go for a max orb/synergies/CM/Tele to rush my own chars on another comp.
Though, if you really want another element to go with your cold, go for lightning. Not a lot of things are lightning and cold immune, there are more fire and cold immunes. (Council allways, Seis and Infector sometimes)
Or you could consider another char for those areas, like a barb.

If you want to level fast, you could also make yourself a Enchantress for those first 20 levels.

In fact, you should just stay in Classic. :)

[Kevin William Cox]

Yes, if you can find a game. By hell CS, (talking about East NL here) there aren't that many games. If there is a game sometimes it degrades into a duel fest. Weather or not you will be viable or not depends on the build and the gear. Is it faster? Hard to say. With Baal (in LOD) runs happening a lot more than CS runs (in Classic), it might be faster just to go LOD. Plus if you are planning to switch after you get to a high lvl, alot of the gear in LOD requires alot more strength and Dex, which I'm sure you already know. Maybe if you switch in the mid-lvl range, like 50 or so. I've never tried it, but I have switched at high lvls, BIG mistake. Didn't have enough stats for anything good. The weapons I did have were Rares, which are crap in LOD. I would switch over earlier and save your stats as much as possible. Haveing friends in Classic with high lvl charectars is good. I'm not on as much anymore, but maybe some of the guys here would help.





Kev

[Fearlessone]

The problem is that about a third of the time the lowest level WON'T leave the party, usually cuz they are noobs who dont know what is going on. It's odd, but having a party member under lvl 40, he is more likely to leave at Diablo than a lvl 60-70!!! That's why if a super low lvl enters the game, he is often eagerly partied, everyone assumes he must be an excellent player to have rushed thru the game at that level. That is, he is NON-NOOB and will departy at diablo, instead of: "What?", "me?", "Why?", "me unparty, why does it have to be me, i want the exp"

For some time now, many parties are just created with 7 char max, problem solved...

[WarlockCC]

7 Chars is my default setting on any game I make, even though I very rarely make CS games due to Lord/Lady status of some of my chars.

[Noite Escura]

So my basic problem is this: I usually play LOD, and was hoping to exploit the faster rushes/experience for another char by doing hell cs runs. If I haven't been able to get to a4 hell in LOD, do I stand a chance in classic, or am I just wasting my time?

Random info, not sure if it's helpful: I don't know people on-line, so any time I'm rushing, I'm controlling both chars, and generally in a game by myself or at least away from everyone else.
Keep in mind that if you x-fer a char form Classic to LoD, he will loose 2 acts during conversion. Ex.: if you made it to Act4 Hell in Classic, when you convert him, he'll start in Act2 Hell LoD.

[Rawly]

Keep in mind that if you x-fer a char form Classic to LoD, he will loose 2 acts during conversion. Ex.: if you made it to Act4 Hell in Classic, when you convert him, he'll start in Act2 Hell LoD.

Dont know where you get this from i have taken lots of chars to hell act 4 in classic and they are in hell act 4 once converted to lod, they just havent done any of the act 5 quests

[Fearlessone]

I've heard this too, it's been discussed quite a bit over on the other forums and also is in the "All Things Classic" sticky thread. I converted my lvl 88 necro over to LoD and u better believe he was in the act4 pandemonium with a red portal to Harrogath. So I suspect the answer is charlevel. Alot of peeps tried to get around the lvl 60 restriction with hell Ancients/Baal in LoD by rushing in classic and converting. Then they rushed in classic, lvled up to 25 in norm, did hell cs till lvl 60 and then converted to LoD. Its not only for Baal, but for Hellforge runes.

[Rawly]

I've heard this too, it's been discussed quite a bit over on the other forums and also is in the "All Things Classic" sticky thread. I converted my lvl 88 necro over to LoD and u better believe he was in the act4 pandemonium with a red portal to Harrogath. So I suspect the answer is charlevel. Alot of peeps tried to get around the lvl 60 restriction with hell Ancients/Baal in LoD by rushing in classic and converting. Then they rushed in classic, lvled up to 25 in norm, did hell cs till lvl 60 and then converted to LoD. Its not only for Baal, but for Hellforge runes.

I have rushed lots of lv 1 chars for hellforge to hell act 4 classic and they were in hell act 4 lod when converted ready to do hellforge quest. (im also talking recently on this ladder season) I got a friend that spent like a month doing these and has got very rich in lod doing so, but then he does do 3/4 at once.

[WarlockCC]

I wonder if you get a 'CDkey down' when you make too many characters in a minute...

[norvi11erogers]

I have rushed lots of lv 1 chars for hellforge to hell act 4 classic and they were in hell act 4 lod when converted ready to do hellforge quest. (im also talking recently on this ladder season) I got a friend that spent like a month doing these and has got very rich in lod doing so, but then he does do 3/4 at once.

I believe what happens is if you only get to act 1 or 2 hell, you will still be in nightmare, whereas if you get to 3 or 4, you will be in hell. If you are in act 3 in hell, i'm not sure which of the first three acts you end up at. I've never done it, so someone will have to confirm or deny...