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kmk-soldier
24-07-2006, 18:05
Kmk-soldier his bva build:

Intro:

Hiya, im a guy from belgium that has played d2 quite often.
My favorite chars were the blizzard sorc and the bva (barb vs all) build.
I would like to share my experience with you guys, maybe it can be usefull for some of you

(gosh, what an horrible intro :s)


what is a bva?

Firs of all, the char class is barbarian!
Bva stands for barb vs all, so it’s the intention that he can handle all kinds of situations and will be a good overall dueler.

bva looks like bvc (barb vs caster) but in contrast to bvc, bva will go for max block.

Skills:

Combat skills:

[img=http://img63.imageshack.us/img63/4586/barbskilltreewcof5.th.jpg] (http://img63.imageshack.us/my.php?image=barbskilltreewcof5.jpg)

The main attack skill of the bva will be whirlwind.

Bash: 1 skillpoint (prereq)

Double swing: 1 skillpoint

Stun: 1 skillpoint (prereq)

Concentrate: 1skillpoint (prereq)

Berserk: 1 skillpoint ( n to have this skill vs iron maiden or can be used vs pb necro)

Leap: 14 skillpoints (so you will have a quite nice stun effect when you leap)

Leapattack: 1 skillpoint

Whirlwind: 20 skillpoints (main skill)

No points in double throw, frenzy


Masteries:

[img=http://img63.imageshack.us/img63/6996/bar2tu5.th.jpg] (http://img63.imageshack.us/my.php?image=bar2tu5.jpg)

a bva can go for axe mastery or sword mastery, imo is axe mastery the way to go.

Axe mastery: 20 skillpoints

Increase stamina: 1 skillpoint (prereq)

Increase walk/run speed: 1 skillpoint
(faster run is always nice to have, nn to put more skills in it, your equip will get it at a decent lvl rate)

iron skin: 1 skill point
(if you have later some remaining points, you can put them here)

natural resistance: 1 skill point
(some extra resistance won’t hurt)

No points in the other masteries

Warcries:

[img=http://img391.imageshack.us/img391/644/bar3kx6.th.jpg] (http://img391.imageshack.us/my.php?image=bar3kx6.jpg)

Howl: 1 skill point (prereq)

Shout: 20 skillpoints
Lovely high defense!

Battle orders: 20 skillpoints
Lovely high life/mana!

Battle command: 1 skillpoint

No skillpoints in the remaining skills

Total skillpoints used: 106

Skill quests normal, nightmare and hell give you 12 skills to spend (den, radament, izual)
So you will be at lvl 94 when you are finished, if you will reach an higher lvl, spend the points in iron skin. The last skill that you need to max is shout.



Stats:

Strenght: just enough to wear your equipment, you can go with base str too, though that will depend on that armor you use

Dexterity: enough to reach max block, at lvl 95 this is 213, at lvl 90 is it 203.
I know, it looks a lot but don’t worry ;)

Vita: all remaining points

Energy: none

Equipment:

Well, bva isn’t a build for poor people so prepare :p
Gloves:

draculs (try to get a pair with 15str)

Belt:

verdungo (40-13-15 is always nice to have)
thundergodsbelt, str + vita + light abs, not such a bad second option

helm:

arreats sock with 40/9dex jewel (you can sock it also with 30/9, that will be a lot cheaper)

boots:

gore riders

rings:

2* raven 20dex 2xx ar
angelics if you need more ar

amulet:

highlords
angelic amu

weapons:

botd ba, we will use this weapon to reach max block, 30 stats are nice
when using two weapons: beast ba + botd ba or beast ba + grief ba

shield:

stormshield sock 40/9 dex

armor:

enigma is a must because of the str boost, teleport skill and frw!
You can get a low str one to go with base str, I prefer dusk though, don’t know why :p

Switch:

Bo weapons, like 3+ warcry spears or you can use hoto or so too.
I liked to use cta + 3wc knife, why cta?
I used cta 3 bo, cta gives one to all skills and the bo amount (this is capped at 3) so you will get 4 skill in bo (ofc only 1 in shout then).
The 1skill thing of cta only works once, so don’t bother to use 2* cta

So when using cta + 3wc weapon => 7 bo 4 shout
When using 2* 3wc weapons => 6bo 6shout

Charms:

Anni: as high as possible stats

Torch: same as anni


The remaining inventory will be filled up with max ar lifers small charms (like those 3/20/20’s for example) around +/- 20
A cheaper solution are grand charms with max ar life

Use some res/life sc’s too, some stacked res will never hurt
use around 8 sc’s, at this point you will reach max res if you have good torch/anni
if you won’t/can’t buy those res/life charms and can’t get max res, sock arreat with um, helps a little ;)

And as last we will use life/light res sc’s so we will get nice stacked resistance vs foh, javazon
Would use around 8

Stash:

Demon limb: enchant if you need more ar
Wisp rings: light abs vs trap, java,...
Hotspurs for max fire res or nokozan amu if you don’t have that much room left
Arach belt: fcr needed vs sorcs
Widowmaker: lovely bow, also a must!
Crown of ages socked ber ber, this will allow you to reach 50 dmg red.
Maybe a treachery if you want some more stacked res

The bva is a pvp build, well mine was...

Duel!

Amazone:


Vs bowzon: use botd + stormshield => tele near them and ww, they won’t harm you much because you will have quite some life and max block and they need to run from you.

Vs javazon: use grief + beast and start to ww  you will stand a good chance because of your huge stacked resistance, though if you can’t handle it, put on a wisp ;)
They won’t run from you because lightning fury hardly hurts you, they need to use cs so they will come ;)

Assasin:

Vs trapper: use grief + beast, on switch widowmaker, if they just keep standing in their traps, just wait and spam arrows with your widowmaker, they will come, when they are in your reach, tele near them and ww, if they use lidless or spirit they won’t have max block so quite easy to kill then, you could use double swing then too, it will kill them faster then ww imo.

If they have max block, just ww then.
Never keep standing in their traps, just ww them, if they place again some traps, flee and start spamming arrows again or kill her if you are fast enough

Ww sin: use stormshield + botd vs those, just a ww duel, you should win, though open wounds can hurt

Ww/trapsin: get the assasin away from the traps by using widowmaker (do not stand in her range or she will ww you) then just ww her if she comes closer

Necro:

Vs pb nec: get arach for some fcr, beast + grief, use leap skill if they come closer to get them stunned, then you use namelock and ww

Other tactic is leap and go berserk so you don’t need to bother about their bone armor, though I prefer ww.

when they use 464684686 bonewalls and cast iron maiden on you, don’t duel :p

vs summoner nec: quite hard duel, when they use iron maiden, don’t duel
you can try to leap, then his minions will bounce in several directions and you have a chance to namelock the nec, try to berserk him, because if you are planning to ww him you will hit several monsters but not him

barbarian:

vs bvb: you are as good as dead  they are just build to fight vs barbs, use storm + botd so youll get max block and say a prayer, though there is a chance you win ;)
anglic ring amu + raven

vs bva: well, who has the best equip/most luck,....

vs bvc: use stormshield + botd, you should win because they don’t have block, though watch out because they can deal massive dmg and they probably will use coa, so they won’t die in one hit 

sorc:

vs fireball sorc: arach , beast + grief
try to avoid when she is spamming fireballs 31351 screens away
use widow to get her closer, when she comes closer, use leap, then namelock ww
use hotspurs if she deals massive dmg


blizzard sorc: arach ,2* raven + highlords, grief + beast
they will come closer then fireball sorcs because they need to cast closer to you,
leap => namelock => ww here also
if she stays far => widowmaker

lightsorc: arach, ravens + highlord, maybe wisp if they are hard, grief + beast
they need to come close to you, leap + namelock + ww

vs orb sorc: arach, ravens, highlords, grief + beast, leap => nl => ww
when very close to you => leap => double swing
if they keep playing defensive, use bow

druid:

vs ele druid: put on crown of ages, beast + grief, verdungo, so you will get max damage reduce. Wait ‘till they come closer to you, leap + ww, never namelock these guys, when they tele on top of you, just do short ww’s from the left to the right and right to left.

if you want to attack them, try to tele behind/beside them and ww them, never run in their tornados (and there will be many, they love to spam those tornados)

vs wolfdruid: they won’t be a match for you if they use a two hand weapon, just ww them
if they use storm and have max reduce, max block etc they can be strong, though, use your shield so youll get max block/dr too and ww them, normally you will hit them faster/more so you will win.

Paladin:

Vs hammerdins: when they keep spamming hammers around them, just use widow to tease them, they will quit and try to hunt you down but np, if they tele on top of you, just ww and run when they start spamming hammers again

Also try to use leap vs them and try fast tele => ww, when they are still stunned of leap.

When the hammerdin hardly tele’s but charge it can become harder, but he will charge quite close to you, try to hit him before he can start launching his hammers

Vs smiters: use coa, verdungo, beast + grief, again for max dr
They will stand still and wait for you to tele on them, never tele on them, NEVER
Ww beside them, just nxt to them, so you will have a chance to hit them, but they will a hard time to hit you, or when they just stand still use widow, when they charge to you => ww
When they are walking to you, tele beside and ww (though that won’t work a second time)

When those smiters using enigma tele on top of you, try to leap first so they can’t hit you and ww them (only once because otherwise they can hit you several times and the suprise effect of leap is gone)

Vs Auradin: tele + ww, some max res items are welcome but not needed

Vs foh: beast + grief, highlords, lovely stacked light res, you can use wisp rings, tg belt whatever if you can’t handle them w/o absorb. Just namelock ww, though those foh that use charge cast charge cast... can be hard to catch so maybe some luck is always welcome ;)
Think those were the main chars.


Ill show you my barb now ;)
Only lvl 92 because I hated to lvl :p

[img=http://img63.imageshack.us/img63/2218/screenshot001ja0.th.jpg] (http://img63.imageshack.us/my.php?image=screenshot001ja0.jpg)
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Well, that’s it, hope it will help someone in the future.
Sry for grammar/spelling faults, my english isn’t that great

Well, enjoyed my time at diablo, but now it’s time to go, don’t know if someone knew me, most of you hardly I guess, maybe someone saw my barb in game, gosh oh well!

Good luck have fun all ;)

Ce Olba
24-07-2006, 18:15
Gozu prebuff. Ain't gonna reach 7.1k life with no-pure vitality without prebuff, even with godly charms.

Also, using max/ar/life gcs is bad, as you lose lots of life per each and gain only lowish AR. Rather use half the amount ar/life gcs. 3 high-ish ar/life gcs gets my BvC to 9300 AR with pubsetup.

You see, the maximum possible life on your lvl with a BvCs pub setup with pure vitality and +660 life from charms, perf torch and anni is 6940. So you _have_ to prebuff to reach such amounts of life. Or well, cta+hoto would end up with 7195 life, but that's still with pure vitality, which your build clearly isn't.

And any build that uses prebuff, I consider trash. Except for ES fb'ers.

The smallest stats I could figure were 30/59, which depends on Enigma and EBotdZ. However, such build can work for people who prefer EBotdZ over GriefZ for some odd reason. However, your damage is crippled versus anything where you need max block. Oh, the 59 dex is with 2x Ravens, which you ain't gonna use versus BvBs.

Also, a BvA is there only to beat BvAs and BvBs. That's the difference between BvC and BvA. I find it ridiculous that your strategy involves prayer versus BvBs. That means your BvA is a failure as it cannot necessarily beat BvAs? Proves my point of how BvA is just a BvC will less life and resistances and a BvB with less defense and damage.

kmk-soldier
24-07-2006, 18:28
prebuff ;o

if you think cta + 3wc weapon and highlords is pre buff....
the shield pic is with angelic btw

you know, im doing this with base str (30 base + anni 20 + torch 20 + draculs 15) so i can equip eni

not that much dexterity used: 20 base + 20 raven + 10 angelic + 29 arreat + 9 storm + 20 anni + 20 torch + 30 botd => makes that ive spend 49 in dex

the other remaining points => all in vita + stats from verdungo, torch, anni, base, angelic, botd, increase life (enigma)

also, all sc's have 20life

but if you don't still believe me, thats your opinion ofc, but make one then plz
it isn't impossible

about those gc's, imo, it will be cheaper then using sc's, thats why I said it
and it isn't a bvc, it's a bva, it already has decent ar no?

but the life will be around max ye

and what are you talking about bvc? Why do you start comparing eachother?
I didn't made topic: bva vs bvc or so

Ce Olba
24-07-2006, 18:43
prebuff ;o

if you think cta + 3wc weapon and highlords is pre buff....
the shield pic is with angelic btw

Mmm.

you know, im doing this with base str (30 base + anni 20 + torch 20 + draculs 15) so i can equip eni

Of course I know.

not that much dexterity used: 20 base + 20 raven + 10 angelic + 29 arreat + 9 storm + 20 anni + 20 torch + 30 botd => makes that ive spend 49 in dex

the other remaining points => all in vita + stats from verdungo, torch, anni, base, angelic, botd, increase life (enigma)

But even so, that life just doesn't come together. With 37x 20s, you should have 7558 life. with 33x 20s, you should have 7357 life.

but if you don't still believe me, thats your opinion ofc, but make one then plz
it isn't impossible

As I've already said, I consider BvAs useless. Also, I do not have the time to make one.

about those gc's, imo, it will be cheaper then using sc's, thats why I said it
and it isn't a bvc, it's a bva, it already has decent ar no?

Well, no, it's not decent AR, BvA needs more AR than a BvC, due to dueling other barbs.

a perfect 10/76/45 max/ar/life gcs, gives you about 64 more average damage, 444 AR and you lose 36 Life compared to all 20s. Now, with a perfect 132/45 ar/life gc, you lose 36 life, 64 average damage, but gain 327 AR compared to a max/ar/life GC. Thus you need less of those GCs to get to the optimal leve of AR, thus you also lose less life.

kmk-soldier
24-07-2006, 18:51
omg, now youre talking that i should have 7357 life, in your previous post you said that its impossible w/o prebuff to reach 7.1, don't get it anymore hmpf ~~

about the probl with ar, gosh, use demon limb then ~~
or those charms you are talking about, though he had enough ar for me
ofc he won't be gozu in bvb or so, but he will have at least an higher chance then a char w/o block ye? or am I wrong again

btw max block is also good vs bowzon or wwsin imo, but you won't agree ofc

Ce Olba
24-07-2006, 19:01
omg, now youre talking that i should have 7357 life, in your previous post you said that its impossible w/o prebuff to reach 7.1, don't get it anymore hmpf ~~

7.1k is impossible on your lvl for a purevita BvC with 2x dooms bo and default BvC gear. I hadn't taken EBotdZ, Angelics and a Dungo into account. Btw, is your dungo 40 vitality?

about the probl with ar, gosh, use demon limb then ~~
or those charms you are talking about, though he had enough ar for me
ofc he won't be gozu in bvb or so, but he will have at least an higher chance then a char w/o block ye? or am I wrong again

Mmm. I find it hard to say anything to this. I would personally prefer 100 less life and 5.5k more AR than 100 more life than 5.5k less AR.

btw max block is also good vs bowzon or wwsin imo, but you won't agree ofc

Not like I do not know this. However, a BvC beats those character easily enough. I've yet to lose to a Bowazon 1v1. That might be due to the fact that I do not care about bowazons and mostly press w before killing them, which causes me to use dual Dooms. However, it's not like I _need_ those to beat them, it's just a nice addition.

As for WWsins, you're right. However, they're pretty uncummon, at least here on EUSCNL. I barely meet any wwsins over here in pubs.

kmk-soldier
24-07-2006, 19:22
thought it was 40, not sure though, got banned cuz of use of mh so can't check anymore, screenshots were taken a while ago, that's all that rest of it ~~

like you probably know, I am/was also at europe softcore non ladder, and a few of my friends have a wwsin, maybe that's why I mentioned them and gosh was just another example for it, most of pub games is full of paladins, sorcs I know and if you see an assasin it's most of the time a trapper, but well, just to show the advantage of block I took the wwsin as example ;)

btw, got other comment about topic except my barb?
ye I know you don't like bva, you said that a few times now, but something else?

Ce Olba
24-07-2006, 19:39
thought it was 40, not sure though, got banned cuz of use of mh so can't check anymore, screenshots were taken a while ago, that's all that rest of it ~~

Bad kmk, using MH in PvP.

like you probably know, I am/was also at europe softcore non ladder, and a few of my friends have a wwsin, maybe that's why I mentioned them and gosh was just another example for it, most of pub games is full of paladins, sorcs I know and if you see an assasin it's most of the time a trapper, but well, just to show the advantage of block I took the wwsin as example ;)

Well, most pub games are pretty easy-ish. However, I gotta admit that those dumbasses got some guts to jump me. Then they cry when they get beaten. Fuuun.

btw, got other comment about topic except my barb?
ye I know you don't like bva, you said that a few times now, but something else?

Well, it seems to made in a hurry. There are no clear sections in things, for example:
I couldn't find the gear section until after a little searching. You should put them more separate. Also I think you do not need to have each and every skill taking so wide space, I mean, you write like

"Leap Attack 1 pt, prereq

Conc 1pt, prereq"

That takes up too much space plus it looks bad. You shouldn't put that much attention for the minor prereq skills, but the main skills.

kmk-soldier
24-07-2006, 20:53
ok, thx for all your input, ill maybe remake it later, maybe ^^

Imbecile
25-07-2006, 12:19
It's just sad to use botd for max block. Yes I know you spare stats for vita, but this is not EP (The caster liga). I would have sacrificed those 30 points into dex , to be able use grief as default mainhand, while maintaining maxblock. There's no reason to have 2431241 life and do 3k ww dmg........

Ce Olba
25-07-2006, 15:07
It's just sad to use botd for max block. Yes I know you spare stats for vita, but this is not EP (The caster liga). I would have sacrificed those 30 points into dex , to be able use grief as default mainhand, while maintaining maxblock. There's no reason to have 2431241 life and do 3k ww dmg........

Well, at least he does 4.6 max with BvB setup. However, this is lower than my barb does with his grief. This is mmm... 1200 less than my barb does _average_ on his 356 GriefZ. And 2800 more Average than EBotdZ's average here. That's 476 PvP damage, 238 versus max DR people.

Nice to see you kill BvBs with your 260 damage weapon. Yes, that's very bad damage.

Not meant as a flame, just pointing out due to Luder's provoking post.

Oh, and you should have "chance a fallen will hit you : 5%" instead of 10%.

mainaman
25-07-2006, 18:55
one thing i dont understand why put one ponit in double swing?