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Okay, here's the situation: I want to make a good PvP(maybe PvM a bit) character, but I'm caught between a WW/Trapsin and a Rabies/Fury or just Fury druid. The problem is, the sin would do very well, but I can't really afford it, but i'm not sure how well the wolf would do. So should I wait until i can afford the sin then do that, or should i make the wolf? Also, if I do make the wolf, should i use a 2handed weapon or one?
Thanks in advance!
nickedoff
17-07-2006, 20:56
Whirlwind assassins whoop dueling games.
They're versatile, have excellent means of attack, and aren't incredibly expensive.
They take a while to learn, though.
I'd certainly make a WWSin.
Sidenote: I've never had a Fury druid, but my (usual) rule of thumb is: If it can't teleport, it can't duel properly.
This pertains to a lot of things, of course, not just fury druids.
nickedoff your definition of expensive must be different than mine. i'd consider 50 hrs pretty expensive, but that's just me
nickedoff
17-07-2006, 21:12
nickedoff your definition of expensive must be different than mine. i'd consider 50 hrs pretty expensive, but that's just me
Chaos; Fal Ohm Um.
One HR
Fury; Jah Gul Eth
One HR
Enigma; Jah Ith Ber
Two HRs
Gore Riders;
Two mid runes
Trang-Oul's Claws;
Six pgems
Angelic Amulet/Rings;
Three pgems
Mara's Kaliedoscope;
One highrune, sometimes
Crown of Ages, one socket;
One or two highrunes
Harlequin Crest;
An um rune (?)
Call to Arms; Amn Ral Mal Ist Ohm
One HR, two if you're picky with Mal and Ist
Splendor; Eth Lum
One mid rune
Total:
~Seven highrunes, usually cheaper since you don't need to make any of the runewords - you can just trade for them at bargain prices :P
All in all, you could make an excellent WWsin for very very cheap.
If you wanted to show off and sparkle, yeah, you would need expensive dupes and 45 life charms.
But it isn't necessary to have fun.
Otherwise, Fury druids are _definitely_ not cheap either.
Have you tried trading for a three socketed, ethereal Tombreaver yet?
I didn't really plan on using a 3os eth tomb because that's f-ing ridiculous
and btw, good claws(chaos and fools/fury) don't cost like 1 hr a piece, they can get pretty high up there if you want good mods, which i would, because this isn't just a bargain dueler. also, i'd use a 2/20 circ which is a lot more than shako, i wouldn't use a splendor, i'd use a spirit, but i already have a good one so that's easy, a Good CoA doesn't cost 2 hrs, Shadow Dancers > gores so there's 2 more hr, i'm not using angelic's, because that's dumb and i won't have ANY trap damage, and i'll have the slowest casting speed in the world, so mara's = 5hr?ish, ravenfrost = have one, 10fcr, ar, str, res ring = 1-2hr, arach's = 1-2hr, high torch = 2hr, mad low anni = 2hr-ish, 9x shadow gcs, price varies a lot with +life or not, that's way more than 7 hrs, and even if i did do a 7hr build, it would suck and get owned by pub...well... anything in pub or private duels.
.: WW/Trapsin >> Wolf pricewise
nickedoff
17-07-2006, 21:34
they can get pretty high up there if you want good mods
If you want something good, you won't get it for cheap (Unless it's like wizardspike or something, tee hee.)
WW/Trapsin >> Wolf pricewise
So why would you even bother making a thread to ask, if you already know which you want to make?
Shadow Dancers > gores
wait until i can afford the sin
Since you can't "afford" a wwsin, gores are a cheap option.
Shadow Dancers are _not_ vital to any kind of assassin, especially considering their price.
a Good CoA doesn't cost 2 hrs
An OK one socketed one does. If you can't blow however many is required on a two socketed, perfect DR CoA (and you can't, judging by what you said in the first post), a one socketed one will cut it. I've never personally used a shako, but since you want to PVM some, I don't see any reason why it'd be a bad decision.
i'm not using angelic's, because that's dumb
It's a poor-man's choice. Mara's and a Ravenfrost will work better; I'd listed Mara's but neglected to mention frosts
9x shadow gcs
Cheaper than cheap, usually. They aren't worth as much as major GCs, like Cold skillers.
I didn't really plan on using a 3os eth tomb because that's f-ing ridiculous
So what weapon will he use?
Grief?
I dunno much/anything about SS druids, but I do know that BotD is going to be obsolete soon, and a decent Grief (On nonladder, I've got no idea which 'version' you play) might break the bank even more than a three socketed TR would.
ANYWAYS back to the topic, should the need arise, i could raise enough to get the WW/sin, but it'd be a major pain.
All I was asking was if the Druid could do well in PvP and which one has more "bang for the buck."
nickedoff
17-07-2006, 21:40
ANYWAYS back to the topic, should the need arise, i could raise enough to get the WW/sin, but it'd be a major pain.
I think we were still on topic o.o
All I was asking was if the Druid could do well in PvP and which one has more "bang for the buck."
Judging by this:
.: WW/Trapsin >> Wolf pricewise
you already know :P
i meant that the sin cost more than the wolf, not that it was necessarily better. here's the deal: if the sin is ZOMGZTEHPWNZ0RZ better than the druid, i'll start gathering stuff for it, but if it isn't a lot better than the druid, i'm going to make the druid
i meant that the sin cost more than the wolf, not that it was necessarily better. here's the deal: if the sin is ZOMGZTEHPWNZ0RZ better than the druid, i'll start gathering stuff for it, but if it isn't a lot better than the druid, i'm going to make the druid
The ww sin is gonna be worth the wait and savings you have to do for her. I liked the wolf i made, but it was extremely frustrating against casters. You can win those duels, but imo you got a much better chance w/ mb/tele/ww and traps.
well the thing is, by the time i had all the "money" aka hrs, stuff for trade, etc. in place, it'd be non-ladder, and i'm more of a ladder kind of guy
well the thing is, by the time i had all the "money" aka hrs, stuff for trade, etc. in place, it'd be non-ladder, and i'm more of a ladder kind of guy
Was there an announcement about a reset coming that i didn't know about?
If not, don't worry about it. It could be this summer, or it could be in December. I don't think anyone knows.
my point is sechler: even if it was in december, i still probably wouldn't have enough, and a Fury/rabies is a lot less, assuming i don't start trading for a 3os eth tombreaver. i'll give you the arguement that any PvP char is going to be costly, but I don't want to spend over 3/4 of my net worth just to have fun.
my point is sechler: even if it was in december, i still probably wouldn't have enough, and a Fury/rabies is a lot less, assuming i don't start trading for a 3os eth tombreaver. i'll give you the arguement that any PvP char is going to be costly, but I don't want to spend over 3/4 of my net worth just to have fun.
I take it you play on Ladder. Do this:
A) get lots of Ists
B) Trade those Ists for Lo runes and 5 socket 15% superior Bas and whatever is the non-ladder currency (sojs, HRs)
C) Get multiple Grief runesets, make a few Griefs, save up the non-ladder currency
D) Start over
E) Do over until you get bored or the Ladder resets
F) Once Ladder resets, trade the Griefs for currency
G) You should now end up with a ton of currency, enough to make at least a decent dueler
That's at least what it would seem like. I tell you something, Ladder is for making enough wealth to build a dueler on non-ladder, or for hunting the "first lvl 99 on realm X" price, or trying to get to the Ladder, or gathering Ladder-only items for fun, or MFing. Rarely are there any decent/good duelers on Ladder. As blobswannabe said, dueling on Ladder is there only so that skilless people can get their e-pride high by dueling other skilless duelers on Ladder. If a real dueler (mcm, luis, blobs, koda, morotsjos) would step to duel on Ladder, I'm pretty sure they would end up being in the top three best duelers. Due to the lack of good duelers.
I wish I had my D2 working good enough to start playing on Ladder.
I think if you go w/ a ww/trapper, you'd still be able to make more kills than w/ fury, even w/ a budget setup. Although, something i was playing around with was making a faster r/w fury druid. This wouldn't be a cheap build, but would most likely be much cheaper than a well geared ww/trapper. My goal was to use lots and lots and lots of f r/w sc's. Along w/ nigma, 40 f r/w boots, mavs belt and cats eye you'd be a blur on the screen.... well not really. I just love the idea of chasing down extremely fast shoot and run bowzons.
haha sech, that would be pretty fun
i'm thinking about a FoH pally, maybe with smite, do they absolutely need combat gc's to be good? i mean, i can afford a couple, but if they need 9x lifers, i don't know if i'd do that :)
DarkMousy
19-07-2006, 21:38
Both builds are very gear-dependant...
A note on PVM with ww sin, the claws wear down easily and cost A LOT to repair
A note on PVM with ww sin, the claws wear down easily and cost A LOT to repair
Probably only superiors. (That's why I ditched my superior enigma dusk for a non-superior one :) )
HappyAssassin
19-07-2006, 23:01
No, it's because the + skills on good chaos/fury make them very high in gold cost to do anything with.
A good whirlwind trapper setup can be done with 70-100 HRs. A passable one will come it around 50.
And a V/T MUST have Combats, smiter not so much. FoHers really need em too. You can get by without lifers.
nickedoff
20-07-2006, 00:55
The thing is, Ce Olba, _everyone_'s going to try that.
In other words, Griefs will be very cheap when the ladder resets, so don't get your hopes up x_x
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