Best Grief sword?

[Brave_turtle]

Whats the best choice to put grief in?

I heard zweihander was better than Phase blade. Anyone mind to explain?

I always tought it was too slow..

[GreyGhost]

Its best to wait until you find an elite weapon, as they have higher base weapon damage. Zwiehanders are exceptional. Exceptional < Elite.

I'm not sure if cryptic swords can roll 6 sockets, but Colossus swords and blades can. Cryptic swords are not as fast as phase blades, but more damaging. I still think phase is the best if you want rapid, successive hits, like zeal, frenzy or fury. If you're looking for a one hit kill, try a CS or CB.

[hardnfast]

Zweihanders will always hit the last ww bp regardless of the roll (as will a phase blade) however zweihanders are range 3. I dont think any of the elite swords hit the last break point for ww attack speed unless they roll a 38% ias on the grief. (need to check this)

[Brave_turtle]

Its best to wait until you find an elite weapon, as they have higher base weapon damage. Zwiehanders are exceptional. Exceptional < Elite.

I'm not sure if cryptic swords can roll 6 sockets, but Colossus swords and blades can. Cryptic swords are not as fast as phase blades, but more damaging. I still think phase is the best if you want rapid, successive hits, like zeal, frenzy or fury. If you're looking for a one hit kill, try a CS or CB.

Base weap dmg doesnt mean much in grief because it adds raw dmg no?

[Thoridian]

Its best to wait until you find an elite weapon, as they have higher base weapon damage. Zwiehanders are exceptional. Exceptional < Elite.

I'm not sure if cryptic swords can roll 6 sockets, but Colossus swords and blades can. Cryptic swords are not as fast as phase blades, but more damaging. I still think phase is the best if you want rapid, successive hits, like zeal, frenzy or fury. If you're looking for a one hit kill, try a CS or CB.

1 word: LOL...


zewihander > all, because it will always hit the last ww breakpoint and the damage difference between Zewihander and CB/CS is negliable

[Omikron8]

1 handed average dmg phase > 1 handed average dmg zwei

and there are multiple inexpensive sources of large dex to make up for the phase dex req

arreat
1-2 raven
torch/crap anni
small charms

i prefer phase myself for the tight damage range

if you want ww use zwei
if you want frenzy use phase

[jmsplat]

1 word: LOL...


zewihander > all, because it will always hit the last ww breakpoint and the damage difference between Zewihander and CB/CS is negliable

Agree. If you're going to use a PB grief, DO NOT, repeat DO NOT gear that has +dex just so you can use it with base dex; base str/dex is way overrated. Only a BvA should have enough dex to use a PB without bugging anyway

[Clay bizzle]

Another think to think of is that phase blades are indestructible and trade really well because pallys use them a lot.

[Spankeh]

Greyghost, omg what nub advice, and here's why..

PB probably pick of the lot, but zweihander has a range of three. Thats why ppl use them over pbs, which are range 2
Damage, ahaha lol the difference between the two is negligable
Cryptic sword? roll 6socs? wtf? where talking greif here, and cryptic sword only spawns with 4socs max. :shocked:
Collossal sword and blade? just two damn slow, where are you getting your info from, omg.

[jake007]

PB probably pick of the lot, but zweihander has a range of three. Thats why ppl use them over pbs, which are range 2
Damage, ahaha lol the difference between the two is negligable

1 extra range is enough to make a difference. Ask any experienced barbarian players out there and they will tell that this is the case.

[Clicktoseename]

Making a Grief on one hand axe is good?

[Ce Olba]

Making a Grief on one hand axe is good?

Yes, a Berserker Axe.

[Clicktoseename]

But, Botd 60 ias is alot for a WW Barb so it hits more then Beast and Grief?

[nex]

But, Botd 60 ias is alot for a WW Barb so it hits more then Beast and Grief?

No, BOTD and Beast in Berserker axe both hit last WW breakpoint. On Grief you need at least 34% to hit last breakpoint.

[Ce Olba]

But, Botd 60 ias is alot for a WW Barb so it hits more then Beast and Grief?

The last IAS breakpoint on Berserker Axes is 34% IAS. A Grief can hit that, 60% of Griefs that are made will/should have this much or more IAS. Any more IAS is _useless_. It doesn't speed it up. There are breakpoints at which the IAS helps you to go a frame or two faster, but there are no breakpoints after -34.

[Clicktoseename]

Botd + Grief it works well?

[Ce Olba]

Botd + Grief it works well?

It works, but not as well as Grief+Beast.

[Clicktoseename]

Giref + Lastwish isnt that stronger? Lastwhish have 60% Crushing blow.

[aman]

lastwish has no ias making it rubbish for ww

[Ce Olba]

Giref + Lastwish isnt that stronger? Lastwhish have 60% Crushing blow.

Last Wish is trash, as it's got no IAS, which messes up your hitchecks and cripples your damage a lot. Crushing Blow, even though it sounds strong, is a weak force in PvP, taking only 10% of the life of your target, 5% if he has maximum DR. That's from the _current_ life. Also, Last Wish alone does about 3k damage, about 800 more than Beast, but as Beast hits the IAS breakpoint, it comes out on top for damage, as it gets three hits where Last Wish gets 2, IIRC.

[Clicktoseename]

Thx for the info! Just forgot the IAS in LW :rolleyes:

[Brave_turtle]

Does grief zweihander hit last frenzy breakpoint in pvm?

Is it a great PVM weapon?

I'm scared its gonna be too slow.

[Clicktoseename]

Zweihander or Berserker Axe?

[jimmah]

Just found a 5 soc zweihander. Thinking if I should make grief in it. Or another pb grief. I'll have to look through my wealth.

[the boss]

Zweihander: the God of all swords kinds when it comes to grief runeword, i'm thinking on making one myself when ladder resets and make my stylish bvb conc barb


Hey, anyone know about the Executional sword? how do they do on griefs, they reach bp at what %ias?

[nex]

Hey, anyone know about the Executional sword? how do they do on griefs, they reach bp at what %ias?

Awful choice for Grief, it's speed 10. Not even perfect Grief (40 ias) could reach last WW bp (-34).

[Clicktoseename]

A question about Grief: If i make grief on a Ba, the Ba have only lets say 40 damage, the grief will get how much damage? Same for Beast. I have to know how much damage Grief does if i use Beast Ba + Grief Ba?

[Ce Olba]

A question about Grief: If i make grief on a Ba, the Ba have only lets say 40 damage, the grief will get how much damage? Same for Beast. I have to know how much damage Grief does if i use Beast Ba + Grief Ba?

The damage of a Grief varies like this:

Minimum: 364 - 427.6
Maximum: 411 - 481.65

Not taking into account any Deadly Strike.
As for Beast Ba, the variations are:

Minimum: 81.6 - 92.4
Maximum: 241.4 - 273.35

However, this is _on-weapon_. For the real damage, more specific data is needed, such as the skill levels of the masteries, str, all the gear and their sockets ... What skills etc.

Now, I assume at least 138 STR to equip the weapons:

Grief 34/340 and +25 str from Beast
(47.5 + 340)*4.49 =
1739.875

Grief 40/400 and +40 str from Beast:
(47.5 + 400) * 4.64 =
2076.4

However, this doesn't take into account too many things, such as skill ED% or the possible additional STR. Well, this is the lowest damage you can possibly have. It's with normal attack and no masteries :smiley:

With axe mastery and ww and such it can get to 5000-7000 average damage. My own Grief, which is 39/356 does 5800 damage on my BvC.

[Clicktoseename]

I dont really understand:scratch: 481.65 k damage?

[Ce Olba]

I dont really understand:scratch: 481.65 K damage?

481.65, not 481 650.

[Clicktoseename]

Grief 34/340 and +25 str from Beast
(47.5 + 340)*4.49 =
1739.875

Grief 40/400 and +40 str from Beast:
(47.5 + 400) * 4.64 =
2076.4

What the...ik set gives more damage then that!

[Ce Olba]

Grief 34/340 and +25 str from Beast
(47.5 + 340)*4.49 =
1739.875

Grief 40/400 and +40 str from Beast:
(47.5 + 400) * 4.64 =
2076.4

What the...ik set gives more damage then that!

Not without skill bonuses. As I said, it has _zero_ skill bonuses. Guess I have to get serious then:

Grief 34/340 and +25 str from Beast
((47.5 + 340) * 8.04) * 1.376 =
3115.5 * 1.376 =
4286.928

Grief 40/400 and +40 str from Beast
447.5 * 8.19 * 1.376 =
3665.025 * 1.376 =
5043.0744

However, there are still some details missing, for example, the STR. I will take my own barb as an example:

39/356 Grief Ba and +38 str from beast:
403.5 * 8.65 * 1.6412 =
3490.275 *1.6412=
5728.23933

246/38 Beast Ba:
47.5 * 3.46 * 8.65 * 1.4852 =
164.35 * 8.65 * 1.4852 =
1421.6275 * 1.4852 =
2111.40116

However, there is still no elemental damage added, if I would add that, it would be 5805 Grief Ba damage and 2171 Beast damage.

Just to compare, here is the damage of a IK Maul:
274.5 * 6.87 * 1.4852 =
1885.815 * 1.4852 =
2800.81244

that's average. Now take the Maximum:

318 * 6.87 * 1.4852 =
2184.66 * 1.4852 =
3244.65703

As you see, IK is _weak. The LCS shows about 5k damage, but that's after it adds a ton of elemental damage (total +1301 to the average damage) But even then, IK maul only does 4101 average damage, whereas my GriefZ does 5800. To mark it, 5800-4101=1699.

[Clicktoseename]

I think i understand now, but about Beast, it have lower damage then Ik right?
Beast + Grief it is only good for BvC? Thx for ALL answers!

[Ce Olba]

I think i understand now, but about Beast, it have lower damage then Ik right?
Beast + Grief it is only good for BvC? Thx for ALL answers!

Beast is a 1-handed weapon, IK is a 2-handed weapon. That's a difference. Beast+Grief is the best dual wielding combination possible.

[GreyGhost]

Beast+Grief is the best dual wielding combination possible.

Better than Death + Ebotd?
Better than Beast + Last Wish?
Better than Grief + Ebotd?
Better than Rixot's Keen + Stoutnail? :laugh:

Just curious how all these stack up.

[Ce Olba]

Better than Death + Ebotd?

Death is slower, DS isn't a shared mod, EBotd does less damage than GriefZ. Yes.

Better than Beast + Last Wish?

Last Wish is too slow and does way less damage than GriefZ. Yes.

Better than Grief + Ebotd?

Primary hits more than Secondary, thus Beast's ED>EBotdZ's damage. Yes.

Better than Rixot's Keen + Stoutnail? :laugh:

What are those?

Just curious how all these stack up.

Curiosity killed the cat, right?

[AncientsQuest]

gnasher hand axe = pwnage

[Clicktoseename]

Grief is usefull for smiters?

[soul killer]

yes ofcourse it is lol,the grief +dmg is added to smite.
grief is the only wep for smiters.