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As of now i'm using an Enigma, but would a bramble, fort or any other armopr be more sufficient in PVP and PVE
WhiteAlien
14-07-2006, 06:15
What is PVE?
Bramble is better if you can get with over +40% tp poison dmg
Forti not good
Nats armor
CoH
KICKZILLA
14-07-2006, 07:33
I have no experience with kicksins yet but after reading a couple of guides (incl Speederlanders), Enigma is a 100% must, no other choice.
bramble is useless, u will satisfy u r damage from u r stat screen
but, real poison damage is 100>somewhere.
2000 poison damage means duel penalty 1/6(not sure about correct percent)
so get around 300damage. And poison resist 75%. nice! u got 75 damage! from u r all 20 pt venom damage!
by the way, venom 2000damage is still hard to get it.
y people still love venom, even get less 100 damage from 20pt venom.
and not each kick has venom either.
cuz venom time period is 0.5 sec. so u will get maybe just one time from u r 5~7kicks. or maybe two times.
Fort is good! main reason is not ED.
Fort has chilling armor which allow to get high defence.
enigma is needed too.
WhiteAlien
15-07-2006, 02:44
bramble is useless, u will satisfy u r damage from u r stat screen
but, real poison damage is 100>somewhere.
2000 poison damage means duel penalty 1/6(not sure about correct percent)
so get around 300damage. And poison resist 75%. nice! u got 75 damage! from u r all 20 pt venom damage!
by the way, venom 2000damage is still hard to get it.
y people still love venom, even get less 100 damage from 20pt venom.
and not each kick has venom either.
cuz venom time period is 0.5 sec. so u will get maybe just one time from u r 5~7kicks. or maybe two times.
Fort is good! main reason is not ED.
Fort has chilling armor which allow to get high defence.
enigma is needed too.
:hang: :hang: :hang:
http://strategy.diabloii.net/news.php?id=552
u can test u r venom damage easily.
just don't cast venom, and hit someone, calculate damage,
and cast venom, and hit again..u will see what u got from venom.
no offence.. venom is not a big deal!
WhiteAlien
15-07-2006, 04:50
for your info:
venom dmg is per 0.4 sec, game runs @25frames/sec so one frame is 0.04 sec
venom is applied 2 times, when you cast and when you attack so in your
example 2k venom becomes 4k over 0.4 sec. If you kick @7/3fps then you
opponent is constantly poisoned @ 4k venom over 0.4 sec or in other words
4kx2 + 4k/2 = 10k venom dmg per sec o_O . After PvP penalty it is still 1700dmg.
And after 75% resist it is 425 dmg and now add to this physical dmg. Btw,
my assa does 2.6k venom and it is still not finished, I think I can reach 3k
at the end.
Fort is good! main reason is not ED.
Fort has chilling armor which allow to get high defence.
enigma is needed too.
assuming that you can reach 2000 defense, after lvl15 chilling armor from Fort you have 4300 defense, thats awesome, considering that palies and barbs can get over 40k defense easy.
Read this (http://strategy.diabloii.net/news.php?id=590) before posting anything else.
:flip:
HappyAssassin
15-07-2006, 05:05
Also, Fort's main attraction, the big damage, adds nothing to kicks. An assassin aiming for defense is utterly pointless. As for Venom, it is the basis of most successful pvp melee sins, completely effective against players and monsters alike. I don't know where your info comes from hoyaabac, but it's clearly not from playing the game, or it wouldn't be so wrong. I'm not trying to be mean, but don't bother posting stuff like this, since you have no idea what you're talking about and bad advice is much worse than no advice.
Enigma is best, otherwise Bramble. If you go Bramble, consider death's web as a weapon. In PvP, enigma is a huge help, because mobility is king.
WhiteAlien
15-07-2006, 05:23
... because mobility is king.
Agree, especially in puby games, when you run back to town with 10% life left after duel over all Blood Moor with 10 arrows following you from nearby zone, in front of you is trap field on left side 2 screens away FB sorc shooting from right side some paly is charging on you hoping for easy kill and finally near town barb is ww'ing and nking all who come out - yeah, typical puby scene.
Enigma. There is no substitute.
ok then i got wrong info.
here just what i think.
actually, my kicker has 20pt venom. but i am not satisfy about damage.
so i tested without venom, and with venom. and i saw not much big difference there. this is only me maybe.
about chilling armor.
my basic defence is about 2700. and with chilling amor go to around 5500 defence. and last i put some pt to cloak of shadow for more defence.
so my defence is around 8000. not 4500.
also i have 300 dex for more ar, and defence.
i know 8000 is still can't compare to barb,pally.
but, u can feel big diffence between 2000 to 8000.
when i duel barb, i use only fort. and I am not die easily.
I have more ears than most barb.
this is my kicksin. month ago
http://dia2.somegate.com/upload/hoyaabc_1149461560_stat.jpg
now i have more ar, and more dex, more defence.
my point is u said fort is not good, but I don't agree.
my opinion is
I saw many good kicker with fort. and I am good kicker with fort too.
double posting..sorry.
ignore this.
HappyAssassin
15-07-2006, 14:24
That's nice. Sure, Fort's good if it makes you feel better. Since that's the base standard for good, other armors are great.
Also, um, "Trial Version"?
"Trial Version"
from my jsp bot program.:laugh:
WhiteAlien
15-07-2006, 18:14
Happyassasin stop listen to this guy. Check out his screenshoot.
202 str
295 dex
399 vit
______
= 896 pts :shocked:
@lvl95 you can have 485 pts to allocate
Assa base points are 20 25 20 = 65
so 896-65-485 = 346 additional points from items !!!!!!
How in hell you can do that? Not with legit items or without hacking.
Such a bull$$hit OMG
@hoyaabc - these forums are for legit players. We dont use here hacks, duped items or any other 3rd party program. If you like it use it, it is your personal choice, but dont discuss it here, for that there is many other web sites and forums, who will be very happy to welcome you....
..aaa forget to say - READ FORUM RULLES !!!
Arbedark
15-07-2006, 19:05
Also, using F Keys - ezpk :rolleyes:
I talked about what u saying that fort is not good.
I didn't talked about which I am using hack or, hack is good or whatever
U never seen like my stat pt? so u not trust me?
346 added pt is not much. I can do more after ladder reset.
All perfect items will come from ladder.
that screen is from my standard east server.
http://dia2.somegate.com/topic.php?topic_uid=133932
this site showing my stuffs. sorry about Korean languge there.
but u can see the pictures.
caculate pt. and then I will show u My inventory, such is best.
that picture is one month ago.
I was not attacked u. and I wrote "ok I got wrong info"
I think i did good attitude for u.
but u r article looks like u know everything, and if I don't agree u, I am a hacker, or noob?
by the way, I am not using 3rd party program. that picture was for taken.
I don't know y I need to explain it.
wizAdept
15-07-2006, 23:50
my point is u said fort is not good, but I don't agree.
my opinion is
I saw many good kicker with fort. and I am good kicker with fort too.There are? I've always seen fort kickers as being significantly easier than enigma builds in kvk. Also in my time testing bramble and fort (~1.8k talon setup with fort, ~2.1k with beast/fort, ~2.5k with beast/fort/pheonix) before rebuilding as a pure enigma build, I found fort to be inferior to bramble in just about every class matchup. Then of course for just about every class matchup I found myself heavily crippled if I wasn't able to teleport, even at higher damage. I can't imagine dueling barbs without enigma. for pvp, enigma > all.
Unless you are one of those oddballs that likes melee only dueling, which imo isn't the strength of pvp kicksins as much as caster dueling is.
Your name seems somewhat familiar, are you on ladder or nonladder east?
Also, using F Keys - ezpk :rolleyes:Vouch.
I am on non ladder for only duel now.
if u do PvP in nonladder, maybe u've seen me.
Hoya-Athena, Hoya-Gaia.
those r my kicker.
I am collecting items on ladder too.
about Enigma
I wear enigma when I set up WW.(My Sin is WW/Kick Hybrid)
My built was for pure enigma setup. but I felt I need some defence.
problem was I put all pt for dex, life. not strenth. so I need lot of pt for wear other armor.
Finally, I collect stat Items like what I showed.(I didn't put any pt to strenth yet)
I tested bramble, nigma, Fort. I decided Chilling Armor with 20lvlCoS.
vs Barb: in my setup, Fort is best. I don't have fc. I don't like tele.
I dragon flight, and kick. and again. with some traps, mbs.
I can do fc setup as 65% for tele, but I don't feel good when vs barb.
I choose defence(8000), attack rationg(20000), damage(2100)
and I am working on 5kicks, defence(9000), attack rating(28000), damage (2000). with fort.
vs sorc? chilling armor reflect most. u will hurt only few damage.
u still have dragon flight to sorc.
vs ama? same.
vs pally, here I need enigma.
Enigma is needed for duel. I am not saying Enigma is no good.
Fort is really good defence armor for kicker who has still Dragon Flight!
Actually, my Kicker carrying Enigma, Fort, COH.
I am not ezpk guys.
HaLoPhReAk
16-07-2006, 03:35
I see a ban in your near future :fortuneteller: . Always wanted to use that smilie :P.
Durress is actually pretty good, you get good mods, cold dmg.... Enigma isn't a necesity..are we still talkign about kicksins? i kinda wanna make one again....:cloud9:
Holyaabc, why didn't you just kick spawn on top of them, then do ur ww? because it doesn't make much sense to use your armor spot for Engima when you could get such better things.
Also in my time testing bramble and fort (~1.8k talon setup with fort, ~2.1k with beast/fort, ~2.5k with beast/fort/pheonix) before rebuilding as a pure enigma build
I did same as u.
and more, last wish/fort, last wish/nigma/pheonix, wish/fort/pheonix.
the weapon? last wish>beast.
Armor? Fort,Enigma, depend on VS who
Shild? oak runa is best for me(lot of dex, best block rating=4frame with shael)
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