GhostWWsin Questions

[tuxor]

This should probably go in the price values section, but no one would answer it there, and I feel like you guys would know more about it then them: First off, I'm making a Ghost/wwsin/whatev based on SeeD's guide(from jsp). However, he is on non-ladder, and has access to permed dupes that i can't get, so here is my skill plan:
20 Claw Mastery
20 Venom
20 Mind Blast
Enough fade for 50 DR
1 into some traps, WoF, LS blah blah blah
1 into rest of shadow except for stuff i get from my claws

Equipment:
3shadow/20fcr/2os circ
Enigma Mage Plate
FCR Sin Ammy with Strength/Res
Runic Talon Chaos
Feral Claw Fury(+3 venom, other skill mods for both claws)
Trang Gloves
1x Ravenfrost
1x FCR Ring with ~100ar/Dex/ other good mods
Verdungo's
Shadow Dancers or good tri-res fhr boots
9x shadow preferably with life
20 stat torch
anni(don't know how high i can get)
5x max/ar/life sc
5x life/res sc

anyone give me a ball park figure as to the cost of this? also a CTA and Spirit on switch, forgot about that

[Jerametrius]

3shadow/20fcr/2os circ- alot, if your funds are restricted i'd get a +2/20/mods rare (Ive 2/20/2 sins go for like 15-20)

enigma- 2 hrs

FCR Sin Ammy with Strength/Res- really depends on stats, since your gonna need 15+ fcr it can get really pricey if you want str and res on it. ill say 5hrs for now but it could easily cost more

Runic Talon Chaos-2-3hrs

Feral Claw Fury- 2-3hrs (depends on the claws base stats)

1x Ravenfrost- .5 hr

1x FCR Ring with ~100ar/Dex/ other good mods 1-3 hrs depending on exact mods

Verdungo- 2-3 hrs for a good one

Shadow Dancers or good tri-res fhr boots- good dancers +2 are maybe 2-3 hrs

9x shadow preferably with life- varies i'd say 2-3 hrs per 20-25ish lifer


20 stat torch- 1

anni(don't know how high i can get)- 2-5?

5x max/ar/life sc and 5x life/res sc- varies, ill say 10 total but it could easier cost more for quality ones

totaling: 60-80hrs depending on how decked out you want it to be

Also I would suggest an open wound belt w/ fhr life and str instead of dungo. Because with max fade, the +skills from your gear, and the ber in enigma you will reach 47dr. or if you want versitility you can use arach and change your ring and ammy combo. Another important thing to have is a fools claw for dueling melee chars.

... that was like writing a novel... gl

[Sechler]

I noticed the ammy you're looking for to hit the fcr brkpt, and not to be dis-heartening, but good luck finding one of those in the near term. I've been looking for 3 or 4 months and nada. Saw one, but the guy wanted 10 hrs, for it and it wasn't worth half that. It was 2 sin skills and 10 fcr w/ some fire res, thats it....which still required me to wear arachs or two fcr rings.

Jerametrius suggestion of a ow belt is good, but what i've learned is that you'll need the full ow madness of the fury claw + angelics against hard to hit pallys. Which makes another source of ow redundant. I'd say stick w/ maras for ammy as you'll get skill bonuses to battle orders and ww, and wear arachs for belt. Then when you find a high def pally, switch to angelics and fury.

[tuxor]

First off: I don't think that list equals 60 hr..., even for low end, but whatev

Second: I can use a 10 fcr ring and then i'd need an Ammy with 15 fcr, which i'm willing to pay alot for if it has strength. That way, I can use a 40/15 dungo's(1 hr usually btw) and with that i'll only need level 27 fade, which i can easily get, especially with Cta/spirit switch.

Third: And yeah i have angelics and i've been searching for a fool's claw, once i get all my HRs together, i'm going to make a big thread in the trade forum for some stuff.

[KICKZILLA]

First off: I don't think that list equals 60 hr..., even for low end, but whatev

actually, he's right... those were accurate prices, total is around 50+ depending on a few things can be 60-70+

the dude wrote a great PC for you, show him some respek

[tuxor]

i wasn't disrespecting him, i was commenting on his addition skills, and the fact that i didn't think the circlet was worth 15hrs, nor the dungo's 2-3 hrs, and the fact that i don't need life on my skillers, but then again, i did say preferably, and he did say, depending on how decked out i want to be.

But anyways, can anyone help me with my jewelry, belt, and boots? i need like 25 fcr, and if i could NOT use arach's, it'd be a great help, however, if arach's and a 5fcr ammy or 10 fcr ring would make more sense than fcr ring(s) + ammy and dungo's, then i'll do that. any suggestions would be amazing, and i would be eternally grateful if someone could help

[Sechler]

I think arachs is an amazing belt...
mana, slow, big fcr, skills
dugoes is good, but for this build it doesn't match up to arachs
although, if you're hell bent on dungoes, you have two options...
2 fcr rings and low fcr ammy
1 fcr ring and high fcr ammy
I personally like ravenfrost, it's another one of those items that has incredible mods, particularlly for this build, cbf, mana, ar, dex. I don't take mine off my ww/trapper. Hence i wear arachs, godly dex fcr mana ring, and high maras. Like I said earlier, i like having bonus to all skills items so i get help w/ my bo and ww, along w/ sin skills. I get this of course from arachs and maras.

[tuxor]

sech, how well does your ww/trapsin do duel-wise??
i've switched my focus from ghost to ww/trap and I was just wondering how yours does, i'm making one, but i still need all the gear, i was also wondering how much yours cost all together, just trying to get some idea of what i'm investing

[HappyAssassin]

Arachs, FCR ring, Maras, is better in my opinion than Dungos, Fcr Ring, Fcr Ammy. More res, more skill levels (especially if the ammy isnt godly). You lose a little DR, which shouldnt much. Dungos gives more life, especially because you can have another lifer with it, since it's 10 FHR will count for a 12% charm. Still, between the res and additional BO levels on Maras, I'd take a Mara's setup.

[Sechler]

sech, how well does your ww/trapsin do duel-wise??
i've switched my focus from ghost to ww/trap and I was just wondering how yours does, i'm making one, but i still need all the gear, i was also wondering how much yours cost all together, just trying to get some idea of what i'm investing
You should've proposed this question to Happy as well, from what I understand, he's got a sick ww/trapper hybrid. You should take a look at his guide. I don't think it's been stickied tho.
My sin does surprising well in duels, cuz not many pub duelers are used to playing against one, not to mention that IMO it's a flat out really strong char. But it takes A LOT of practice to be effective against good duelers. It's not as simple as goin and laying some traps, then just waiting for someone to come after you and then you whirl them. Although you will find quite a few people that fall for this, it's not a real entertaining duel and get's old real fast. I usually taunt people with mindblast, then if they bite, I start attacking w/ either ww or traps. Then break out the other skill to throw them off. What's really funny is to wait tilll someone types "Your trap suck balls", then mb/tele/ww on top of them and make the kill. This is a link to real quick guess at what my build cost me, but it's a little inaccurate... "pvp assassin" thread (http://forums.diabloii.net/showthread.php?t=477075). Right now i'm running about 3.8k dmg per claw for ww, and 4.5k traps.

[Jerametrius]

First off: I don't think that list equals 60 hr..., even for low end, but whatev

Second: I can use a 10 fcr ring and then i'd need an Ammy with 15 fcr, which i'm willing to pay alot for if it has strength. That way, I can use a 40/15 dungo's(1 hr usually btw) and with that i'll only need level 27 fade, which i can easily get, especially with Cta/spirit switch.

Third: And yeah i have angelics and i've been searching for a fool's claw, once i get all my HRs together, i'm going to make a big thread in the trade forum for some stuff.

http://forums.diabloii.net/showthread.php?t=478077 Link to a 40/15 dungo going for 10hrs

as for the ammy/ring/belt situation I have to say that arach, maras, and fcr ring is the best option, especially for trap/ww hybrid. 50% dr is not needed on this char because you should be playing defensively around your traps vs melee, the 20-30% dr from fade and enigma combined with your claw block is good enough.

[tuxor]

http://forums.diabloii.net/showthread.php?t=478612 Link to a 40/15 dungo going for 3 hrs because people really need it, on bnet, I'm extremely confident i can get one for 1hr,maybe 2, which is why i said "usually"

and yeah, i think i'm going to go the arach's, circ, mara's, fcr route, i just need to find a good circ and fcr ring so i can work out my strength and everything