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UNCONKABLE!!!!
08-07-2006, 04:52
Hey everybody,

I wanted to get some opinions and help on this assasin build I am screwing around with. I want to make a Fire Trapper that has the fastest run/walk in the game. I call this build TheFastest for obvious reasons. Let's get to it.

Skills
60 to the Fire Traps with WoF being your main damage dealer
20 to BoS
20 to SW
1 point in MB and all prereqs and you can take out points from SW and put more into MB if you like.

Gear
Cat's Eye Amulet
Mavs Belt
Enigma
Nat's Boots or Aldur's Boots
RavenFrost and SOJ/BK/Rare Resist all ring
Rare FRW Helm and FRW Gloves(if you can't get decent ones, try to scrub by with a Peasant Helm for 15% FRW or a Valk Wing for 20% FRW)
Wind x2(gives a total of 40% FRW)

First of all, I know fire traps are not considered to be anywhere near as devastating as lightning sentry, and also I know that by trying to get the maximum FRW will severely gimp your already low WoF damage by losing all of the plus to skills you could be getting from different/better gear. With this aside, I thought it would be fun to make an assasin with the fastest possible RW in the game to even outrun enigma/teleport users.

I will need some help from the Assasin experts here on the following:

Does anybody know the max FRW you can get from Rare/Magical Gloves, Helm/Circlet, and Claws? I just used Wind as an example since it is a two socket weapon with 20% FRW, but I am sure some better magical claws and/or rare claws can be found. If this is the case, I need to know the highest possible FRW on the gloves, claws, and helm/circlet that you can get.

Second, I will need some assistance in finding a way to put resists into this setup. I am sure one claw can be substituted with a Jade Talon, but there are probably better ways.

Right now, I have a toon called, TheFastest, on USEast SC Ladder who is level 65 and wearing the following:

Crap Helm
Enigma
Mav's Belt
Crap Ammy
Ravenfrost/Crap magical resist all ring
MageFist
Aldur's Boots

With this subpar gear and level 16 BoS, I move amazingly fast and set traps at a fairly ok rate(due to the BoS bonuses, not frw obviously) so I can't wait to see how it turns out in the end.

A few other notes:
I am sure the rings can either provide some pluses ala SOJ or BK, but more importantly give some much needed resists.

I am even thinking to go as far as getting Inertia GCs and SCs, but need to know the max FRW available on each, and then see how much they are worth.

I do not know offhand if a Rare Ammy can get more FRW than the Cat's Eye Amulet, so if it can, I would take the Rare hoping to get some resist all and pluses in there as well.

This build may be better suited to remove the 60 in synergized Fire Traps and put those points into CM, CB, Venom, and DT as the kicker would only need to get a few kicks in to get venom running with Trang's Claws.

Well, this is just a rough brainstorm, but I am hoping that some great Assasins here can contribute and make something fun and somewhat effective to kill people with :) I would love the look on an opponent's face to see you running faster than they can teleport away. Also, getting the speed high enough may have a desynch effect with the server, which could also be fun to mess around with.

If anybody has any FRW gear/charms they could donate to see how fast we can make this toon, send a whisper to: unconkable


conk out,
not the slowest, just...

THE FASTEST!!!!

Von Lazuli
08-07-2006, 08:50
Why use wind? Surely the Harmony Bow is better with it's Vigor aura? Plus... you don't have to waste Sur runes and you get decent elemental damage at a very very good speed with that mush in BoS.

However, that build looks interesting, and will likely take out anyone with sub-par FHR, however, you will go down pretty easily as well. Another question, why boost Shadow Warrior? It seems... well... useless. Grab the master instead. Or put your wind in claws and go with claw block (Probably the best option as claws can spawn with +skills for your trapping).

Laz

V-Avon
08-07-2006, 16:34
If you fill your inventory with FRW scs, I'm sure you'll run extremely fast with a high level BOS and all the other boosts from your equip.

http://strategy.diabloii.net/news.php?id=551#Walking/Running%20Speed
That is the formula for FRW speed. I'm not a fan of these kinds of formulas, so I'll leave it to other people to do :P Does anyone know how much FRW is needed to outrun arrows by the way?

One thing to note: the max FRW available on a sc is 5% from the previous patches. But the max now is 3%. In other words, 5% do not spawn any longer, so you have to find someone who will trade them. I see that you are on ladder, so you're gonna have to wait for the ladder to reset to get 5% FRW scs if you ever need them.

UNCONKABLE!!!!
09-07-2006, 00:00
If you fill your inventory with FRW scs, I'm sure you'll run extremely fast with a high level BOS and all the other boosts from your equip.

http://strategy.diabloii.net/news.php?id=551#Walking/Running%20Speed
That is the formula for FRW speed. I'm not a fan of these kinds of formulas, so I'll leave it to other people to do :P Does anyone know how much FRW is needed to outrun arrows by the way?

One thing to note: the max FRW available on a sc is 5% from the previous patches. But the max now is 3%. In other words, 5% do not spawn any longer, so you have to find someone who will trade them. I see that you are on ladder, so you're gonna have to wait for the ladder to reset to get 5% FRW scs if you ever need them.

Thanks for the great ideas V-Avon and Von Lazuli!

I forgot all about the Harmony bow.

My reason for boosting Shadow Warrior is because I want to control what skill she uses as opposed to the Shadow Master using various other skills. I want to keep Mind Blast on, and as soon as I see my Warrior use it, I lay the traps.

So 5% FRW SCs are from previous patches, and the best you can get now is 3%(assuming you can't trade for a 5% one with a bit of luck)? Does anybody know the max frw you can get on a gc in 1.11?

I will build a harmony just for the hell of it so when I make TheFastest kicksin, I can mess around with the max Venom, etc.

I am guessing that a sacrifice of some FRW gcs will have to be made to get some 15 res all gcs or maybe sac a Wind claw for a Jade Talon or possibly 2...

I can't wait to pop a harmony on this toon and see how fast we can get.
Hopefully we can get max speed Gradius fast :P

conk out,
not getting there, just...

SLOWLY BUT SURELY!!!!

V-Avon
09-07-2006, 03:02
http://www.diabloii.net/items/modifiers/fastrw.shtml
I found this page that is more detailed.

In there, it says the max FRW you can get on a GC is 7%... but I don't remember it being that low. Hmm. Otherwise, scs will be better.

You may have a problem killing people with the lower damage on your traps. But if they dont have major res or absorb, you should be able to kill them. At the speed you will be going, you would probably desynch a lot. Hit-and-run tactics come in play here obviously.

The Cat's Eye ammy has the best FRW. No glove I think can get FRW.

But I remember a barb using frenzy is crazy too.

UNCONKABLE!!!!
09-07-2006, 04:14
http://www.diabloii.net/items/modifiers/fastrw.shtml
I found this page that is more detailed.

In there, it says the max FRW you can get on a GC is 7%... but I don't remember it being that low. Hmm. Otherwise, scs will be better.

You may have a problem killing people with the lower damage on your traps. But if they dont have major res or absorb, you should be able to kill them. At the speed you will be going, you would probably desynch a lot. Hit-and-run tactics come in play here obviously.

The Cat's Eye ammy has the best FRW. No glove I think can get FRW.

But I remember a barb using frenzy is crazy too.

Thanks for the Link. Yeah, if 7% is the best on a gc, that is not worth it, even compared to 3% scs.

If gloves can't have frw, then I am wondering what gloves should be used here. Maybe Draculs? Trang's if Venom is maxed?

Trap damage will definately be an issue. I am wondering if Venom should be maxed instead of a shadow warrior or master since it will apply to bow shots from Harmony, and that can help with the offscreen damage since you will be running all over anyway.

That or maybe if a Lightning trapper is made with the BoS maxed, but that will still be a low amount of lightning damage without plusses and gcs.

The more I look at it, the more it seems that this would be great with a melee/kicksin, but I am still going through with the fire trap variant to see how it goes.

What is the best bow you can make Harmony from that is not Mat or Grand Mat? Hyrda, Shadow, Spider? Hmm... I have the runes, but no bow. Or maybe I should just trade for a Harmony bow, but don't want to get jacked out of some decent damage. Does anybody know what is a good damage range a harmony bow should have?

conk out,
not the Cat's Claw, just...

THE CAT'S EYE!!!!

UNCONKABLE!!!!
09-07-2006, 22:53
Update on gear:

Helm: still crap
Weapon: High Harmony with near perfect enh damage and +5 to Valk
Armor: Enigma
Boots: Nats
Gloves: Magefist
Rings: Ravenfrost/Rare resist all ring
Belt: Mav's Belt
Ammy: The Cat's Eye

Right now, I am running with a total of:
135% FRW from gear
60% FRW from level 17 BoS
Level 10 Vigor from Harmony

The problem I have now is that my resists are complete ***, and this is only in NM. That and the fact that I have no ability to block since I am using a bow, but with no passives like a zon gets.

I am thinking about going with the max claw block idea, using Wind/Jade on main, and keeping harmony on switch unless I can find another way to get some resists. I am sure I can get a ton from a helm like maybe Kira's with an um in it or something. That and possibly get some resist all gcs.

conk out,
not done, just...

STILL RUNNING STRONG!!!!