good WW build?

[juggalomikek]

ok, well im OLD oldschool, i used to play back in 1.08-1.09. I quit right when they patched the game and made ladder and ****, so now im looking to come back, back when i played i loved WW barbs, but my question is, what is a strong WW barb build for pvp now?

[SicHalo]

Well a strong ww build now is a bvc (barb vs caster) barb which pretty much can beat all chars except a bvb barb (barb vs Barb).

Has high life, duelwields and has no block.

how ever its something that depends on you wealth as a BvC can be very expensive to setup.

a pure bvb barb is also strong however ur limited mainly to only fighting barbs and not well suited vs others.

This barb has weap and shield.

[juggalomikek]

realy? wep and shield is only good vs barbs?

[SicHalo]

realy? wep and shield is only good vs barbs?

when u fight other barbs weap + shield is usally the choice here as you have block

[juggalomikek]

so if i get a shield+wep for bvb, and duals for bvc can i use the same build so 1 character can own mostly all?

[juggalomikek]

actualy, what would be the ideal build for bvc/bvb? im gonna use sword so i can use a 2h sword vs casters and shield/1h sword vs barbs

[mainaman]

actualy, what would be the ideal build for bvc/bvb? im gonna use sword so i can use a 2h sword vs casters and shield/1h sword vs barbs
unfortunately 2 swords is not the best choice
axes is the way to go as most of the nice weapon runewords are for axes.
the weapon combo for BvC is grief(34+ ias) and beast
for BvB greif +storm shield

you can find a BvC guide here

http://forums.diabloii.net/showthread.php?t=336610&highlight=dumbpig

he uses 2 hotos on switch , while now ppl use 2 dooms .

here you can see some vids of BvC dueks so you get the idea what is a BvC about

http://forums.diabloii.net/showthread.php?t=364388&highlight=dumbpig

[juggalomikek]

alright thanks, is all that gear up to date?

[Uncle_Mike]

alright thanks, is all that gear up to date?

You need to include a torch in your calculations, also unless you are very rich 3/20/20s are out of question so you will most likely have to play with charms as well :-)

A good replacement are 20 lifers with ar or res, grrand charms with max/ar/life or grand charms with high ar and high life life. Larg charms can also be used :-)

I would say that mp is the armor of choice these days if you like how it looks on a barb. Also on switch you could simply have 2 bo spears.


Mike

@below mage plate, bp is breast plate, ap is archon plate - these are commonly used acronyms :-)

[juggalomikek]

ok thanks alot, what is an MP though?

[juggalomikek]

hmm ive been looking and i cant find eagle turn rings anywhere or imp shank boots?

[Uncle_Mike]

hmm ive been looking and i cant find eagle turn rings anywhere or imp shank boots?

These are dupes, us east IIRC, you should find/trade for legit items with similar stats. I cant remember their stats off top of my head, but shanks are some 19 str triple resistance boots with fhr/frw and those rings have 10fcr and huge light res if I am not mistaken. Btw, str does not spawn on boots anymore.

Mike

[Ce Olba]

These are dupes, us east IIRC, you should find/trade for legit items with similar stats. I cant remember their stats off top of my head, but shanks are some 19 str triple resistance boots with fhr/frw and those rings have 10fcr and huge light res if I am not mistaken. Btw, str does not spawn on boots anymore.

Mike

Actually, it's USWest, and Eagle Turns IIRC have 50ish mana, 10 fcr, some AR, some life. I'm not 100% sure though, as I do not play on US realms.

[mainaman]

actually imps are west duped boots, the east dupes are soul shanks

a fun fact : i saw 100% legit soul shanks- eth scarabshell boots , that didnt have nowhere near the mods of the duped shanks.

[jmsplat]

Eturns have 15 res huge mana and life. Runeloops are the huge lite res ones

[juggalomikek]

ok, well what would be a gear list u reccomend? with all the other posts about other gear and changes to that thread idk what to get lol

[the boss]

Bvb/Bvc Combo is our so-called aka ~ Bva build, where you can own most of the builds if not even barbs you can take on them...try a tuner build barb, you can make a bva barb but its mostly about a bvb really...

Btw do Bva barbs use fort? don't they all use enigma 99-100% of the time?

[juggalomikek]

sorry lol but whats a tuner build barb? and still, whats a good BVA gear setup?

[Ce Olba]

sorry lol but whats a tuner build barb? and still, whats a good BVA gear setup?

The default BvC gear setup in Pubs, versus BvBs change armor to Fortitude and Beast to Stormshield and CoA to Arreat's, and Arachnid's to Verdungo's and you're set.

Btw do Bva barbs use fort? don't they all use enigma 99-100% of the time?

They use Enigma anywhere a BvC does, Fortitude in anywhere a BvC does. Actually, it's up to the individual. Some people see Fortitude only a necessity versus Hammerdins and BvBs.

[the boss]

http://forums.diabloii.net/showthread.php?t=363940

This is the tuner barb, but I don't see how they can get max block setup with a bvc default changing into bvb status...is it viable?
Note: this tuner build would actually require you to put alot more strength than what Ce Olba said about 65 strength base...you'd need 100 or so, for it to equip all items and still have decent one hand damage and max block.

[Ce Olba]

http://forums.diabloii.net/showthread.php?t=363940

This is the tuner barb, but I don't see how they can get max block setup with a bvc default changing into bvb status...is it viable?

Bigrob's guide is more based on the BvB side of things. Also the stats are a tad incorrect.

As for BvAs, they are viable, but they just require some extreme wealth to outperform a BvC in a public game. I personally think that a BvA is a low def BvB and a low life BvC, thus pretty useless. However some people just got a thing on beating BvBs.

Also, on BvAs, I would have to say that Leap takes priority over Iron Skin. Leap needs to be at least lvl 19 with your BvC setup, then the rest can go into Shout/Iron Skin.

I think Dyn's guide is pretty much based on a BvA point of a view. Remember to check where he recommends a shield. I think it's like 2 match-ups only.

Note: this tuner build would actually require you to put alot more strength than what Ce Olba said about 65 strength base...you'd need 100 or so, for it to equip all items and still have decent one hand damage and max block.

Actually, I'd say 63 with perfect gear, due to 63+40+15=118, 118+20=138=enough for Grief/Hel SS.

Or then you could go with Eld SS and go with 81 base str.

And this takes into account only str from Arreats, Draculs and torch+anni. Of course the +stats are perfect. If you want to go with a Guillaume's Face, you will need to add another 5 str or put a Fal or a ed/str jewel in it.

As for maximum blocking, you will need 118 base dex with a Eld Stormshield and Arreats, using dual Angelics, or 133 with another socket in Stormshield.

[juggalomikek]

alright thanks alot, where can i find dyn's guide?

[Ce Olba]

alright thanks alot, where can i find dyn's guide?

In the Guides Sticky opn the Barbarian Forum.

[SicHalo]

yeah BvA is viable but its a cross bettween bvb and BvC. it also takes alot of stat balancing to be able to get good defence and enough leap to be usefull vs casters.

I used a bvA, it works but when u meet a pure bvb u will be probably outclassed due to the higher dmg bvbs have and higher defence and ar.

I made BvC as i find BvB duels boring and annoying and also BvC can kill pretty much anything else apart from the best bvbs.

[Ce Olba]

yeah BvA is viable but its a cross bettween bvb and BvC. it also takes alot of stat balancing to be able to get good defence and enough leap to be usefull vs casters.

Do not forget the balance between AR and Life that comes to to equation too. In BvB, you want high AR and Damage, in BvC you want high life, decent AR, so it can get complicated.



The thing is that a BvA needs brains to beat a BvB, whereas a BvB only needs to whirl to beat a BvA.

[quote]I made BvC as i find BvB duels boring and annoying and also BvC can kill pretty much anything else apart from the best bvbs.

I made a BvC long before my friend came back to D2. When he got back, he made a BvB, so I ended up watching lots of BvB matches. 98% of them are boring, only the rest 2% have actually got something interesting, such as one of the sides planning their whirls or trying to make up a "trap" for the other side.

I'd really like to see barbs duel barbs with Enigmas, that would make it possible to triwhirl and telewhirl and it would not be as boring as it is now.

[SicHalo]

Yeah there is alot of balancing to do, and it does require top gear to be effective.

It is interesting when a bvc gets hosted by a bvb and u have to use widowmaker etc but in the worst cases, the bvb is using enigma, which they can tele ontop of u and dmg u badly while still having Widowmaker out.