D2 pvp Legends Thread

[maap]

This thread is to decide who the d2 legends are on europe. Both old school (before 1.10) and new school (1.10+). Nominate!

Amazons:
Bow
CS

Necro

Druid:
Melee
Wind

Paladin:
Hammer
V/T
Zealot

Assassin:
Trap
WW
Kick

Barb:
BvC
BvB

[Ce Olba]

There are lots of classes missing.

Also, how to determine a "Legend"? Is it someone popular? Someone skilled? Both ? Something else?

Also, I do not think that people can agree on each and every decision.

Also, who have the right to decide who's a legend? The "godly" players? (Blobs, mcm, morotsjos, speedl?nder, etc.)

Amazons:
Bow
CS

Necro

Druid:
Melee
Wind

Paladin:
Hammer
V/T
Zealot

Assassin:
Trap
WW
Kick

Barb:
BvC
BvB

Missing ones:

Amazons: Poison, Poison/Bow, Bow/Java
Necro: Boner, Poison, Summoner, Poison/Summon
Druid: Fury, Fury/Rabies, Maul (?), Rabies, Windy, Fire, Fireclaws
Paladin: Smiter, Day Dreamer, Auradin, Dreamadin, Torchadin, Charger, Liberator, Mage
Assassin: Trap/WW hybrid, WW/Kick hybrid
Barb: BvA, Singer

[stoutewolf]

There are lots of classes missing.

Also, how to determine a "Legend"? Is it someone popular? Someone skilled? Both ? Something else?

Also, I do not think that people can agree on each and every decision.

Also, who have the right to decide who's a legend? The "godly" players? (Blobs, mcm, morotsjos, speedl?nder, etc.)
i think he means someone skilled with legend (this post is the same as the one @ d2jsp)

true, not everyone would agree on each and every single decision, this thread is made to discuss about that :wink3:

everyone has the right to decide who's is a legend ofcourse

i will write my list later:wink3:

[Arbedark]

He also just totally missed out sorcs...

[Ce Olba]

He also just totally missed out sorcs...

Guess he thinks sorcs cannot do PvP?

Such a list is a bad idea, no matter how you look at it. Kinda like the scammers/hackers thread idea, except a tad better.

And what's the idea of such a list? So that teenyweeny little randoms could use big names in their posts without having an idea of the actual PvPer? Nana.

[Arbedark]

Guess he thinks sorcs cannot do PvP?

GOGO 1.09 Nova Orbers :rolleyes:

[Ce Olba]

GOGO 1.09 Nova Orbers :rolleyes:

What were those like? I only got my network (and D2) at a point of 1.10, I think 3 years ago or so, so no idea of anything before 1.10.

Also, do not forget about 1.11b godly max block 105% fcr 95% ES fb'ers. With 70/15s those can make a mess.

[Arbedark]

Orb / Nova sorcs, when played right in 1.09 just decimated anything...

Nothing else had tele, 105% fcr and it was lights out...

Only thing that stood a chance were bowazons...

[Rabbitz]

Orb / Nova sorcs, when played right in 1.09 just decimated anything...

Nothing else had tele, 105% fcr and it was lights out...

Only thing that stood a chance were bowazons...

I really cant believe "some" people want to go back to that time.

[stoutewolf]

i still can't see what's wrong with this thread but i guess it is just me (although i agree he left some classes out of his topic):grin:

[Lyrs]

Nominate!

No.

ten chars

[pedu]

The high rollers dont really care, and the low rollers dont know for a fact. Funny. :laugh:

[Arbedark]

I really cant believe "some" people want to go back to that time.

Yes, becuase it was SO much worse than 1.11, with cross class skills....

-.-

[Thoridian]

1.09 > 1.10 and 1.11 imo

[stoutewolf]

1.09 > 1.10 and 1.11 imo
vouche, without enigma :rolleyes:

[kferny]

vouche, without enigma :rolleyes:
seconded:prop:
and no hdins:laugh:

[kingdryland]

But full of buritos and nova sorcs. Much more balanced now,back then I couldn't be bothered...

[Thoridian]

vouche, without enigma :rolleyes:

haha im preety sure i know why you liked the times when people couldnt tele ^^

[Jackson]

No, I think back then was much easier to balance things out. Just take out KB, and Buriza.

[kingdryland]

No, I think back then was much easier to balance things out. Just take out KB, and Buriza.

? Back to the Future? Things are more balanced now,just take off enigma...Things aren't that simple I think.

[stoutewolf]

haha im preety sure i know why you liked the times when people couldnt tele ^^
:grin: woof woof awoooo!:grin:

[Ce Olba]

:grin: woof woof awoooo!:grin:

Furrypower?

[SicHalo]

Hammerdins where still good without tele back then.

I was not much of a dueler till LOD 1.10 but i remeber the times in classic where hammers used to relly on charge hammer alot this is why desyncing hammerdin is more common.

But with enigma alot of things changed in dueling some mele builds simply cannot survive long without tele and life is much harder since all other chars can tele.

[Rabbitz]

Thank god not all chars can tele ^^, think of a name-locking tele fury >,<

[stoutewolf]

Furrypower?
yup :smiley: , the good old days :wink3:

[Romper Stomper]

Hammerdins where still good without tele back then.


What?? Hammers did almost no damage to speak of compared to zealot, barb or zon in 1.09. Blessed Hammer is and always was a *terrible* attack, the only two good things about it now are the very high damage levels and their duration. An average zon in 09 simply teared apart any paladin build possibly except for the very top zealots, nothing else did enough damage per second to defeat even a modest amount of life leech.

[Rabbitz]

:heart: BvB :heart:

just wana mention those, I absolutly adored mine.

[Arbedark]

:heart: BvB :heart:

just wana mention those, I absolutly adored mine.

Etheral Fury BB for the rich...Stack Life leech, 2k Life, max str...

"EZPK" vs any melee, sucked vs a bowazon though...

1.08 Arks = much lub...

[Rabbitz]

Etheral Fury BB for the rich...Stack Life leech, 2k Life, max str...

"EZPK" vs any melee, sucked vs a bowazon though...

1.08 Arks = much lub...

O yea, I was overjoyed when 1.10 came in :D and got rid of that piercing, I was like..pfft...no hell *everyone* can afford those hrs for the high-end runewords. Boy was I wrong.

[KaythonXE]

When I played in 1.10 before ladder reset, most of the zealots I encountered used uniques. Only a few I saw used ebotdz.

[kingdryland]

Such as eth death cleaver and eth runemaster I bet.

[Dennis_KoreanGuy]

I must say, Nova/TS Sorcs + Buriza / Gaze / Shaft Bowers absolutely dominated PvP scene more than Hdins do these days... Much more builds to play now. Classic... oh god everything sucked in classic.

Ofcourse, there would be the rare barbs with Ith's / Quark's / Hexes who would just be unbeatable...

The thread starter mentioned "old-school" and yet ignore sorcs? ;)

[Zebby]

I'd have to say good Hybrid (claw/ trap) Assns ate ALOT of orb/ts/nova sorcs and most Buriza zons alive

[Arbedark]

I'd have to say good Hybrid (claw/ trap) Assns ate ALOT of orb/ts/nova sorcs and most Buriza zons alive

And I'd have to say you dont know what you're talking about...

For a start, you never got onto their screen...
Secondly, trap damage was just redundant in 1.09...
Thirdly, if you even managed to get on their screen you would have approx 100 life left...
Finally, it just never happened...

[Rabbitz]

I'd have to say good Hybrid (claw/ trap) Assns ate ALOT of orb/ts/nova sorcs and most Buriza zons alive

You probably have not met a buriza zon :(

[Zebby]

Not to turn this into a Flamefest but..
I did play alot in that time. with max block / Dr i had NO trouble taking out a good 98% of "balista" zons in pub games. You ran alot faster then them, just throw a shadow infront of u to attract the arrows b4 u got inscreen then just dragonflight in on them and claw away.

2nd, Trap damage was decent enough to take on sorc's who didnt absorb and even if they did one mind blast and they were stuck in hit recovery giving u time to df in and claw away.

You may say i havent dueled any good sorc's or zons but i did duel alot in Clan Gimmeitam at the time where a majority of the best (in my opinion) of West players dueled.

[tmd turka]

I agree that there are more builds for pvp in 1.10 but they are all driven by high end runewords.

Lets not kid ourselves back when uniques dominated, Pvp was better. It has always been easier to get a unique then a zod. So what if it was dominated by a few good builds. At least the poor and middle classed players had a shot at making those builds. It takes an enternity to round up the items you need for Pvp now. I used to think a few months was a long time to get good items and man times have changed.

The game was better when blizzard did not whore out class skills in high end runewords.:rant:

I miss my Iron Maiden Necro and my Multi-Shot Zon :cry:

[Yes Sir I Will]

Etheral Fury BB for the rich...Stack Life leech, 2k Life, max str...

"EZPK" vs any melee, sucked vs a bowazon though...

1.08 Arks = much lub...

you mean "eCruel CB of Quick Zod-Eth", right? eFBB couldn't touch those.
I like 08 AF barbs better anyhow.

for Zebby: Hybrid sins are mean. FOF leech is imba, too.


for whomever: burizons have always been trash. real money is on the 8 frame cmboe/shaft zon abusing 08 razor.

[eA-Zaku]

Yeah, Buriza was only good for massive piercing, but it was a ***** to get going, kinda like a gatling gun.

We soon discovered the super secret tech of cruel matriarchal bows (mine was of Transcendance, on my character, which was named Transcendence :)) and later on came the dreaded haxorz items that rhyme with Sith.

Still, I had a trapper in 1.09, and they were decent. You could let the camping zons and drive-by sorcs take zaps from time to time. While they won't die in 1-2 hits like today, they did go down in a few volleys of 5 live traps. Here's the build for reference, and they stunlocked just as well back in the day. So don't diss the old school 1.09 trappers.

Shako 'Jah'
SoJ/SoJ/Mara's Kaleidoscope
Wizardspike '+15 res all jewel'
Stormshield 'Cham'
Shaftstop 'Jah'
Nightsmoke
Magefist
Silkweave

20 Lightning Sentry
20 Wake of Fire
20 Mind Blast
20 Shadow Master

[Arbedark]

you mean "eCruel CB of Quick Zod-Eth", right? eFBB couldn't touch those.
I like 08 AF barbs better anyhow.

for Zebby: Hybrid sins are mean. FOF leech is imba, too.


for whomever: burizons have always been trash. real money is on the 8 frame cmboe/shaft zon abusing 08 razor.


Damage difference wasnt that great actually. Same average base weapon damage, and fury had much better mods overall. Sure. You lost out on potentially 91% ED (although most were around 250%, so not actually losing much pure damage), but you gained 9% Life Leech, INVALUABLE in BvB back in 1.09, you gained OW, and multiple eFBB's were SO much easier to get than a eCCBoQ with 2 open sockets...

And .08 Arreats doesnt even compare to eth bug...:rolleyes:

But I have no idea why everyone used eFBB's, when eFBA's were more effective in every way...ah well :point:

[eA-Zaku]

I actually used Vampiregaze, Stormshield, String of Ears and 160/60 max 100 life elite heavy armor. Extra damage owned.

[Inked]

Go Go Orbers/TS with Occy Rings :P

[giantHURTball]

I consider my big brother as one of the Wolf Legends, many of you may remember him....

[stoutewolf]

I consider my big brother as one of the Wolf Legends, many of you may remember him....
name?:grin:

[Yes Sir I Will]

I actually used Vampiregaze, Stormshield, String of Ears and 160/60 max 100 life elite heavy armor. Extra damage owned.

why not use 160-60 of the Titan, then? ~_~

[Fart]

Classic "tweaker" sorc>all. The real classic sorcs, not synergized crap on classic right now. Classic ww barbs were also insane even after ww was nerfed. WW is the only skilled that comes to mind that has been nerfed and nerfed and nerfed and is still one of the best skills in the game.

Hammerdins were really strong when the conc aura was bugged with it but once it was fixed they were useless until 1.10.

[giantHURTball]

name?:grin:

Wolf: Xyc

Name : Mike

[stoutewolf]

Wolf: Xyc

Name : Mike
never heard of him :rolleyes:

hehe, i am a good friend of him as you may know claude. *mfbiatch speaking here aka kazama-fury :grin:

[xmythic]

i dont know about most of you guys, but buriza zons and nova sorcs were some of the easiest to deal with.

[DIEnamic]

burrito zons ruled because of the broken piercing guided arrow :P

[Kiba]

xKronosx , Kiba , Geometric, Wolfie-Jr , Hubb , Spiritwolf , Alteredbeast.

Those are name's of Top Wolf druid's on west ladder that i know of for Pk.

[DIEnamic]

xKronosx , Kiba , Geometric, Wolfie-Jr , Hubb , Spiritwolf , Alteredbeast.

Those are name's of Top Wolf druid's on west ladder that i know of for Pk.

lolol

theres no doubt you deserve it but seriously you aren't supposed to throw your own name out there -_-

[HarbingersOfSkulls]

lolol

theres no doubt you deserve it but seriously you aren't supposed to throw your own name out there -_-


He also pk's as a pally as well...guess he feels like he's multi-talented (or lame) like that. But he shouldn't be throwing himself into the list...but he does like to brag.

HoS

[stoutewolf]

i feel like thee is an upcomming flamewar here.

i woiuldn't ever state my own char name in that list, nor more of my own chars.

however if he feels that he belongs in that list then let him state it :thumbsup:

[LeegionOnEast]

I have 2 guys I duel with with who are insane. One has the top Wolf on East Nonladder, and the other has the best Conc Barb I've ever seen in my life.

[fugitive alien2]

hehe, i am a good friend of him as you may know claude. *mfbiatch speaking here aka kazama-fury :grin:


hi kaz. still guildwarsing?

[stoutewolf]

hi kaz. still guildwarsing?
i prefer d2 atm and starcraft

[Josiphos]

I agree that there are more builds for pvp in 1.10 but they are all driven by high end runewords.

Lets not kid ourselves back when uniques dominated, Pvp was better. It has always been easier to get a unique then a zod. So what if it was dominated by a few good builds. At least the poor and middle classed players had a shot at making those builds. It takes an enternity to round up the items you need for Pvp now. I used to think a few months was a long time to get good items and man times have changed.

The game was better when blizzard did not whore out class skills in high end runewords.:rant:

I miss my Iron Maiden Necro and my Multi-Shot Zon :cry:

I agree with this completely. For a non-fanatic player to aquire all the gear for just ONE char...takes way too long. I dont know how it was back in 1.08+ (I was just pvm then) but the dueling scene today is ruined by Enigma. "Lets just let everyone teleport everywhere!!" I wish I knew who made up that RW, cause he ruined the game. Not to mention Call to arms-"Lets just turn everyone into mini-barbs!!" WTF??!!??

All the Oskills and aura items allow certain classes abilities that they SHOULD NOT HAVE.

Synergies make damage output way too high. Most duels are 2 hits and done. I hit u first, I win. Oh, I forgot blizzard= 1 hit.

Why not just flip coins and be done with it?

Makes me want to go back to untwinked PvM.

[Romper Stomper]

Cry, scrub.

[Xenon[XoA]]

-blah-

Makes me want to go back to untwinked PvM.
It seems like you would be better suited for pvm.

[inkanddagger]

actually there were more hybrid workable builds before synergies came into existence and the pvp penalty was put into place.

tri sorcs
nova/orb/hyrdra


judicators
c/t/v

wind/fire elemental druids

WoI asn
FoF/CoT assassin
Fury/maul (and maul was > fury)


strength builds

jab/ga/multi zons

life leech in pvp changes the game entirely. strategy now vs then is so different that the class of the old duelers and the new are totally different, uncomparable leagues.

[De4dEyE]

Err yeah, let's go back to the days when orb sorcs/bura zons nearly dominated PvP..

[inkanddagger]

Err yeah, let's go back to the days when orb sorcs/bura zons nearly dominated PvP..


the way blocking worked in 09 made it possible for my wolf to tank hundreds if not thousands of arrows, even while piercing. I have never had a problem beating bow zons, even in 09, even with 40 290s on, even with 40 290s and ith hydra bows.

and let's not forget, cold has always been absorbable.


also! this thread says it is for europe realm, but since other people have gone OT to mention other realm heros, I guess I can add mine too!

USEAST

1.08
TheRussianBear
Rapid-Fury
Kaezark
COntinuous-Fury/AASmith
Ladfonkin

1.09
TallDarkAndUgly
SlipperySack
FurociousFather (*apoq)
sabrewulf
MrRottenTreatz

1.10
Karp
Greyn
German

1.11
Ev_Conor
Dex

[theredpredator]

Dont forget Nap-soso


THE best soso in europe




Oo

[Baranor]

Nightshade

Hardcore mass murderer, and together with SonofRah one of the few I know that scored over 3000 legit Hardcore ears. Incidentially, those two are the only two I know of that have more than me ^_^.

[SicHalo]

Nightshade

Hardcore mass murderer, and together with SonofRah one of the few I know that scored over 3000 legit Hardcore ears. Incidentially, those two are the only two I know of that have more than me ^_^.

wow thats alot of ears, poor slain people...

[Baranor]

Mmm ya I know, I only got 1723 :..(

[Uncle_Mike]

Mmm ya I know, I only got 1723 :..(

I just hope you do not keep them on mules :laugh:

Mike

[Baranor]

Nah just kept track that's all. Ears died with the characters.

[IMCanadian]

I nominate someone who plays on every realm. His name is lag and he's in a class of his own. He's been pwning more pubbies since before we were born, no one can match his skill.

IMC :grin:

[MasterMegatron]

There was one extremely cool bm burrito zon i remember. She was always lvl 58 and can kill 3-4 lvl 99s together at one go on uswest.

[Romper Stomper]

Hex charms were usable by very low level zons due to diff clvl reqs.

[OnTheDownLow]

Hex charms were usable by very low level zons due to diff clvl reqs.


iirc they were lvl 77 req. hence 76 legit.

[Romper Stomper]

Nope, zons had a MUCH lower clvl req on hex charms.

[blobswannabe]

Nope, zons had a MUCH lower clvl req on hex charms.

go back to your troll cave and stop the nonsense.

[Baranor]

I nominate someone who plays on every realm. His name is lag and he's in a class of his own. He's been pwning more pubbies since before we were born, no one can match his skill.

IMC :grin:

lol. the amount of people that claim they were killed by lag instead of bad playing is unbelievable.