View Full Version : Omg no fair Bear assassins can reach 3fps attack!
HuggieTheBear
18-06-2006, 23:39
Just letting you know the bear assassin guide made recently actually can reach 3 fps attack.
Why blizzard do you hate shapeshift druids so? :cry:
stoutewolf
18-06-2006, 23:53
Just letting you know the bear assassin guide made recently actually can reach 3 fps attack.
Why blizzard do you hate shapeshift druids so? :cry:
i doubt that a shapeshift druid will loose versus a bearassa so we have that one in the pocket atleast:grin:
Gimmershred
19-06-2006, 01:16
A bearassa can actually even reach a 2fpa attack if she uses artisans runic talons of quickness with 3x shael.
A bearassa can actually even reach a 2fpa attack if she uses artisans runic talons of quickness with 3x shael.
Uhm, how would that look? I think 4fpa is quick...
Who cares, you'd do no dmg. Not to mention that venom actually lasts 10 frames, so you'd attack 5 times before venom did its complete dmg once.
Valvolux
19-06-2006, 02:13
Who cares, you'd do no dmg. Not to mention that venom actually lasts 10 frames, so you'd attack 5 times before venom did its complete dmg once.
You're assuming that every attack hits, fast attacks means greater chance of hitting and triggering OW, DS etc also.
True, but you still won't do any dmg with a 3x shael artisan's runic talon of quickness.
Unless you have a backpack full of high +fire damage small charms, and your really good friend just enchanted you with her level 49 enchant/mastery...
Has anyone actually tried this in PvP. If you get the AR high enough, wouldnt a 2fpa attack(twice as fast as the fastest fury) cause some insane blocklock on ur opponents?
*cough*CB for ubers*cough*
Valvolux
19-06-2006, 03:43
Yes AR is the problem, but I've killed a lot of ppl in pubbies using just high lvl Venom+OW.
Has anyone actually tried this in PvP. If you get the AR high enough, wouldnt a 2fpa attack(twice as fast as the fastest fury) cause some insane blocklock on ur opponents?
block lock doesn't exist after 1.09
Venom and any miniscule fire charms will get absorbed, 'cause any good duelist will have max resists (or close) in hell. Dungos and SS will absorb any petty damage from their 2frame claw, and 14k fireclaw would drop that sin in one swat :P
Also... don't claws have pretty poor range? 'cause that's also pretty important if its gonna be effective
...actually, Dream helm/shield would add a good extra 2-1600 light damage and lvl 42 venom another 1100 ps damage. stack a buncha pestilence/flaming sc's up top and I could see 'em doing descent damage :P
Valvolux
19-06-2006, 06:14
Poison charms are pointless when using Venom, Weresins rely on the same damage as whirlwind sins. High lvl Venom+OW.
xpumafangx
19-06-2006, 17:19
You know stun in pvp is really nice.
Venom is pretty good, yeah, but only 'cause lotsa players just negate poison in hell, since its not needed as much as light/fire :P
Like I said, with max poison it's pretty miniscule :[ OW, on the other hand is great, but still sorta slow. Hehe, and if you really wanna be mean, throw on a venom ward and they do nothing :P
I mean, I can see that working in a lotta instances, especially ww-sins, but it's almost more that you'd be capitalizing in flaws in other characters builds, and less that your character'd actually be better. Yeah, any shaper would prolly destroy a Bearsin.
I wouldnt worry about this .. i beat an uber wb assassin with my wb zon ... and my mauler is way greater than my wbzon. The assassin had one of those sexy rare runics w/ 250+ ed/ fools / ias and 2 os iirc ... mightve been 1 os ... but it hit 3 frames. The match was close a few times but i always pulled it out. So dont worry ... wb assassins are still weak.:grin:
claniraqthree
22-06-2006, 04:06
I wouldnt worry about this .. i beat an uber wb assassin with my wb zon ... and my mauler is way greater than my wbzon. The assassin had one of those sexy rare runics w/ 250+ ed/ fools / ias and 2 os iirc ... mightve been 1 os ... but it hit 3 frames. The match was close a few times but i always pulled it out. So dont worry ... wb assassins are still weak.:grin:
I've been using a weresin since last ladder, and let me say, 2 frame attack dominates.
It is by far the fastest attack in the game. I happent to also have a pair of Fools Greater Talons of Quickness with 2 sockets, funny that. But 2 frames is worth it.
While I can't be sure if physical damage is capped at 4 frames, its irrellevant. The main source of damage is venom, and even then ur hitting on average every 8 frames when you get blocked 3/4 of the time. So 2 frames = land 4 attacks per second on a 75% blocker. 4 frame attack lands 2 hits.
Even up against uninteruptable zeal, you still hit more often. However, if they have stacked poison resist, you lose the duel.
...actually, Dream helm/shield would add a good extra 2-1600 light damage and lvl 42 venom another 1100 ps damage. stack a buncha pestilence/flaming sc's up top and I could see 'em doing descent damage :P
Venom gets better, much better, with trang's claw and bramble. There's no reason to not use them with this build. And dream is nasty, specially at two frames.
rainbowpen
23-06-2006, 18:08
Uhm, how would that look? I think 4fpa is quick...
hehe...2fpa is amazing dood...ive seen it...12.5 hits per second -__-;
yes but really..it doesnt do 2 much dmg...but the thing about CB and OW..yes thas very true.
yah pal..i thot my 4fpa fc druid was fast...2fpa is crazy O__O
JanusJones
23-06-2006, 22:10
2 fpa is buggy - you actually almost never hit. Most folks have never seen it, but you hit fewer times, generally, due to the fact that the form does this weird halting shuffle-hit when it gets to 2 fps. This, and the Assy-bear, are old news, folks - they've been around a LOOOOOOOOOOOONG time!
HuggieTheBear
23-06-2006, 22:39
They very well might have been around for a long time. Though, I would suspect in a very limited quantity. So, this is newer news to most people. :smiley:
I've seen 1 weresin and at least 5 weresorcs in all the time that i've spent in pubby duels.
claniraqfour
25-06-2006, 07:19
Refer to my post in the Assassin Forum;
http://forums.diabloii.net/showthread.php?t=255885&page=9
I proved that 1 Frame, 2 Frame, and 3 Frame attacks all hit at those precise intervals.
There is no damage cap or next delay, 1 Frame attack literally drains HP
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