A comparison of the fury druid vs the hybrid druid.

[HuggieTheBear]

Ok, I wanted to post this because I wanted to make a quick comparison on what I have seen between these two builds.

One build made by stoutewolf and the R guy ( :grin: ) known simply as a hybrid wolf is an excellent anti caster build. It does exceptionally well vs all caster types and even elemental druids. Its shortcommings seem to be its AR. Which can hit a max of around 24-26k ish ar with increadibly over the top items that are in very small supply (that is with angelics meaning you lose alot of your punch from lack of deadly strike). A high defense smiter and about every high life aa using bvc barb is your natural enemy. Now I admit I havent used a sheild to see how much better my char is vs barbs but I know for a fact smiters will own you even more with a sheild. Also the fact that the only worth while 1 handers for a druid are pretty damn expensive. (even grief which is the least expensive option hurts.)

The other build I believe pretty much made up through time is the pure fury build. It does reasonably well vs most casters except a descent elemental druid (from the lack of rabies which owns ele's). It also does quite a bit better vs smiters simply because you can hit them (their are a few that are so overpowered that you still wont kill them, but you can take down the average smiter). Zealers on the other hand still own you and bvc barbs seem to have about the same chance to kill you.

What does this comparison really say?
Well, it says that if you want to do better vs smiters and vt's use pure fury. If on the other hand you want to do better vs hammerdins and elemental druids pick the hybrid. So it would seem that both builds are equally effective in killing their selective chars. Now all I need to do is make a pure rabies druid and test how he does and also find a godly rare eth phase blade to test one handed melee abilities. (Oh, and get this the eth one handed rare phase blade I was looking for with 297 ed, fools mod, 40 ias and other mods just spawned on usaeast ladder and is going for 70 high runes at the moment... looks like I'll never get it.) :cry:

[MortIIs]

Pure rabies won't be very effective due to the fact that poison can be absorbed. By that I mean that the length of poison can be reduced. Not to mention huge poison res. It's worth a try tho, and I think it will certainly do good vs casters.

[stoutewolf]

Ok, I wanted to post this because I wanted to make a quick comparison on what I have seen between these two builds.

One build made by stoutewolf and the R guy ( :grin: ) known simply as a hybrid wolf is an excellent anti caster build. It does exceptionally well vs all caster types and even elemental druids. Its shortcommings seem to be its AR. Which can hit a max of around 24-26k ish ar with increadibly over the top items that are in very small supply (that is with angelics meaning you lose alot of your punch from lack of deadly strike). A high defense smiter and about every high life aa using bvc barb is your natural enemy. Now I admit I havent used a sheild to see how much better my char is vs barbs but I know for a fact smiters will own you even more with a sheild. Also the fact that the only worth while 1 handers for a druid are pretty damn expensive. (even grief which is the least expensive option hurts.)

The other build I believe pretty much made up through time is the pure fury build. It does reasonably well vs most casters except a descent elemental druid (from the lack of rabies which owns ele's). It also does quite a bit better vs smiters simply because you can hit them (their are a few that are so overpowered that you still wont kill them, but you can take down the average smiter). Zealers on the other hand still own you and bvc barbs seem to have about the same chance to kill you.

What does this comparison really say?
Well, it says that if you want to do better vs smiters and vt's use pure fury. If on the other hand you want to do better vs hammerdins and elemental druids pick the hybrid. So it would seem that both builds are equally effective in killing their selective chars. Now all I need to do is make a pure rabies druid and test how he does and also find a godly rare eth phase blade to test one handed melee abilities. (Oh, and get this the eth one handed rare phase blade I was looking for with 297 ed, fools mod, 40 ias and other mods just spawned on usaeast ladder and is going for 70 high runes at the moment... looks like I'll never get it.) :cry:
can you pm me about this weapon and give a link to it plz:grin: ?

[HuggieTheBear]

yeah sure stoutewolf I got to wait for my friend to get on to relink it to me since I didn't put it in favorites (since it was going for so much lol) It was goodly and crazy though. :grin: What ya think of my comparison by the way.


Edit for stoutewolf. He doesnt have the link either but the guy that is trading it is ev973. Give him a pm on d2jsp if your intrested in this item Im sure he will give you a picture. :laugh:

[rykuss]

I haven't tried the hybrid and this is only my second pure fury build.(my most successful build BTW) So is this a pretty fair assessment of the two? I've been bored with PVM for some time now and have considered giving PVP a try again. I have been making a BVA(BVC slightly modified?) because i want a character that can duel them all. Is it still possible to do this with a pure fury druid?

[HuggieTheBear]

Hrmm, it is as true as I can say. Your gonna have problems with barbs unless you get a super leet 1 handed phase or 32 ias phase grief (at the very least, for the poorer people, yeah I know I said grief for poorer people...). Also zealers and a pretty good smiter is gonna own ya. Finally the ele druids always fall to poison attacks so without rabies and its nifty built in desynch you are gonna have a tuff time. Id say the pure fury is a tad better on east while it seems the hybrid is much better on europe where a lot more casters are prevelent. Also so Ya know Without rabies bowas and FC zons can sometimes be a pain to. I geuss it really comes down to the dueler. Finally with necro's, god they need to be destroyed and I think only a pure rabies would be descent vs them because they seem to always have good poison resist somehow. lol :grin:

Alright good luck and ask any of the others for their opinions to since Im still somewhat newer into the druid scene.

[stoutewolf]

yeah sure stoutewolf I got to wait for my friend to get on to relink it to me since I didn't put it in favorites (since it was going for so much lol) It was goodly and crazy though. :grin: What ya think of my comparison by the way.


Edit for stoutewolf. He doesnt have the link either but the guy that is trading it is ev973. Give him a pm on d2jsp if your intrested in this item Im sure he will give you a picture. :laugh:
i prefer the hybrid just because it has 2 attacks, and the losses are only a bit of ar which can be made up with angelics as you said.:wink3:

[Rangniheldr]

i prefer the hybrid just because it has 2 attacks, and the losses are only a bit of ar which can be made up with angelics as you said.:wink3:


I prefer the hybrid druid, two attacks really help. Especially one that keeps on going after you stop attacking:rolleyes: Rabies also ignores energy shield.

As for the AR Problem, if you want to make a melee orientated wolf, instead of shapers use 45 life 120 Ar gcs + 20 life 36 Ar gcs. If you are more caster orientated wolf use resis charms or treachery(:>).

Im actually thinking of using 120 ar 4x life charms, im not sure how it would affect my life though.


With dual angelics im currently 26k Ar, which in my opinion is enough for melee chars even though im caster orientated.


I think i might change my name since the majority of the people here cant spell it:wink2:

[stoutewolf]

I prefer the hybrid druid, two attacks really help. Especially one that keeps on going after you stop attacking:rolleyes: Rabies also ignores energy shield.

As for the AR Problem, if you want to make a melee orientated wolf, instead of shapers use 45 life 120 Ar gcs + 20 life 36 Ar gcs. If you are more caster orientated wolf use resis charms or treachery(:>).

Im actually thinking of using 120 ar 4x life charms, im not sure how it would affect my life though.


With dual angelics im currently 26k Ar, which in my opinion is enough for melee chars even though im caster orientated.


I think i might change my name since the majority of the people here cant spell it:wink2:
if you switch those shapers for 45life/120ar charms you loose the rabies dmg :grin: and your life will be much lower:shocked: slo that isnt a viable option i am afraid

[sablast]

if you switch those shapers for 45life/120ar charms you loose the rabies dmg :grin: and your life will be much lower:shocked: slo that isnt a viable option i am afraid
I tried that, and without ss charms fury/rabies wolf becomes fury wolf with low AR. It just isn't viable at all. It is far better to make pure fury than to do that.
Only thing that cuold give more AR to fury/rabies is not maxing oak, and putting skill points in werewolf instead

[stoutewolf]

I tried that, and without ss charms fury/rabies wolf becomes fury wolf with low AR. It just isn't viable at all. It is far better to make pure fury than to do that.
Only thing that cuold give more AR to fury/rabies is not maxing oak, and putting skill points in werewolf instead
what about using enchant charges from demon limb?angelics/cerebus/20life.36 ar scs are great options aswell or even 2 ravenfrosts+metal grid :wink3:

[swiftrunner]

what about using enchant charges from demon limb?angelics/cerebus/20life.36 ar scs are great options aswell or even 2 ravenfrosts+metal grid :wink3:

Use Hsarus boots & belt. You can still use highlords and any pair of rings (ravens for example)

[stoutewolf]

Use Hsarus boots & belt. You can still use highlords and any pair of rings (ravens for example)
this isnt worth it, you will loose to much with this including your fhr bp:tongue:

[swiftrunner]

this isnt worth it, you will loose to much with this including your fhr bp:tongue:

Wolves need high ar only when facing the likes of smiters or barbs. If you use this pair of items you'll lose some dr from dungos. But then you can use ber'd shafstop. And as for the loss of ds/cb/ow from gores, .....well, I think it's just a little loss. (remember you can still use highlords). I'm not saying this is the best option. But I believe this is a good alternative to angelics. Actually, mcm suggested this idea. He used these on his barb. I thought it was a pretty neat idea.

[Galinho]

I never tried the rabies hybrid build, but I gotta say the pure fury (ok... fury/feral) is my favorite char of all times and is my most successful build. anyway I never really liked having poison dmg resources..... only lately I started to be interested in a char who's main dmg source is poison, but that's the poison dagger mancer.... My Fury/Feral dru is lvl 91 and is SOOOO FUN TO PLAY!!! + I don't really like the loss of points in werewolf to invest them into rabies.... Also, (No, I don't care what you guys say:grin: ) I see Feral Rage as a great benefit for wolfies- What can be so bad about Running around at the speed of light, along with leeching like a crazy killing machine (+the FREAKIN' COOL RED ORB AROUND U FOR A 20 SECS TIME!!!)??
I know it works for me.... Although this is intended for your pvm players out there....
I guess the Rabies build is undoubtedly gr8, but the things I mentioned above are just minor benefits the fury dru has... Nevertheless, there is one thing that I really dislike about this build---- The loss of a +3 shape amu or a highlords + dual ravens, to wear dual angelics +angelic amu... Sry guys I just don't think it's worth it...

[sablast]

what about using enchant charges from demon limb?angelics/cerebus/20life.36 ar scs are great options aswell or even 2 ravenfrosts+metal grid :wink3:
Most of the time I duel my friend's bvb and zealot, he has over 40k def on his barb (eth gliched fort) and even more on zealot. I always use enchant and cerebus when I play vs him, angelics also and I have tough time hitting him. I was loosing every time, until I began using fools ba of quickness. But then, my fury was too weak, only rabies/OW would hurt him.
Except that, I never needed more AR then usual ~25k.
Also I really hate when I need to use angelics, ds from highlords is too good, imo. Thats why I love pure fury, although vs casters is much harder that way.

[stoutewolf]

Most of the time I duel my friend's bvb and zealot, he has over 40k def on his barb (eth gliched fort) and even more on zealot. I always use enchant and cerebus when I play vs him, angelics also and I have tough time hitting him. I was loosing every time, until I began using fools ba of quickness. But then, my fury was too weak, only rabies/OW would hurt him.
Except that, I never needed more AR then usual ~25k.
Also I really hate when I need to use angelics, ds from highlords is too good, imo. Thats why I love pure fury, although vs casters is much harder that way.
correct me if i am wrong plz
his forti will run out of dura isnt it which makes it broken:smiley: , waste of runes if you ask me even if he uses it on his merc if the dura hits like 1 durability

[sablast]

correct me if i am wrong plz
his forti will run out of dura isnt it which makes it broken:smiley: , waste of runes if you ask me even if he uses it on his merc if the dura hits like 1 durability
I know, but I was beating him before, and now he is determined to beat me. Eth fort doesn't bother him, he use it only against me, not for pvm and other pvp. he did some major hf rushes, so Lo rune isn't a problem.
I guess I was joking about his barb too much, when we go out, or have a cup of coffee, now he wants to beat me no matter what