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is awesome.
haha, finally i can get some fag *** spammerdins to go offensive and DIE to me. *****ez.
likewise to pub smiters.
frigging bow cost me 5 sojs and it was named wiht a shael :/. what a rip. but its like ridiculously rare on east NL.
thumbs up to widow in BvC
That's great but fag *** spammerdins will still own you if you just peg them with arrows
mainaman
07-06-2006, 09:27
That's great but fag *** spammerdins will still own you if you just peg them with arrowsif they stay defensive they will not own him
likewise to pub smiters.
but i just wonder why would you use widow against smiters?
maybe you dont know how to duel them and prefer GA them for 5 min till they die?
i didnt say i just stand there and shoot ****in arrows at them
do u think i mean to kill them with widowmaker? :D
i didnt say i just stand there and shoot ****in arrows at them
do u think i mean to kill them with widowmaker? :D
Not a single good smiter lets you shoot arrows at them, as right when they see you switch they're all over you. Unless you duel like 2.5 screens away, in which case the smiter will desynch you to death in a blink. Gogo.
as soon as i see him move, i swtich back and clip ww - zig zagging away
Gogo.
gg. win
as soon as i see him move, i swtich back and clip ww - zig zagging away
Gogo.
gg. win
Not a single decent smiter will charge or run to your away whirling, but rather tele ahead of your whirls and smite, or desynch to the end and hit you. Gogo, beaten. Duel some decent people before you claim ****s.
Mainaman, do not bother trying to "help" this guy, he's already lost. No point trying. He thinks he can kill smiters with whirling away and zigzagging so that they can easily predict where he's going and tele there. So lost.
mainaman
07-06-2006, 18:07
i didnt say i just stand there and shoot ****in arrows at them do u think i mean to kill them with widowmaker? :D No need to go emo here...
as soon as i see him move, i swtich back and clip ww - zig zagging away
Gogo.
gg. win
I was just wondering why the hell would you use widowmaker against smiters in the first place?
I am trying to understand your reasons for using it so i can help you, as believe me you dont need widow against any smiter
mainaman
07-06-2006, 18:17
Mainaman, do not bother trying to "help" this guy, he's already lost. No point trying. He thinks he can kill smiters with whirling away and zigzagging so that they can easily predict where he's going and tele there. So lost.
You are right Ce Olba.
I am tired of ppl that ask for advice ,but then when you try help them they act in an arrogant way...
come duel me then if u have a smiter. why dou think i havent dueled desynching smiters yet?
mainaman
07-06-2006, 18:28
come duel me then if u have a smiter. why dou think i havent dueled desynching smiters yet? First of all, i dont have asmiter,as i dont like them,
and you don't have any idea how to duel them ,what you posted as your way of dueling smiters looks more like what you do to duel hammerdins.
Second of all, if you want to duel smiters go in duelers registry and post there
come duel me then if u have a smiter. why dou think i havent dueled desynching smiters yet?
Well, apparently not a single good one. Good ones, such as Goldwrap on EUSCNL, will not be beaten by very predictable zigzagging. I know this from dueling him. He goes 50/50 versus morotsjos, the best BvC on Europe, or so I remember morot saying. As for your dueling, you really think I could be here telling you how a good smiter won't let you use widowmaker if I wouldn't've tried it myself. That one time I tried was enough.
Somehow I sense you're another retard who uses Enigma and 2x Ravens versus every smiter. Not like that would be "retarded", lots of good people beat smiters that way, but Fortitude+Angelics is superior due to more damage. In case of Telesmite however, Fortitude loses.
Once again, if you really think I'd bother dueling some arrogant US/Ladder kid, you're wrong. First of all, I duel on EUSCNL, second off I do not duel people who think they're gods when they beat randoms in public games.
I can easily say that public games do _not_ represent the good players of EUSCNL. I've not seen morotsjos, Goldwrap, Tiber, BastardInstinct in pubs too many times. And when they are there, they beat almost everyone there, even though I heard Tiber gets beaten by almost any barb who uses Fortitude and Widowmaker, but he is a Windy after all.
If you would've checked half of all my posts, you would know that I do have quite a good idea on how it is to duel good people who know what they're doing.
Well, apparently not a single good one. Good ones, such as Goldwrap on EUSCNL, will not be beaten by very predictable zigzagging. I know this from dueling him. He goes 50/50 versus morotsjos, the best BvC on Europe, or so I remember morot saying. As for your dueling, you really think I could be here telling you how a good smiter won't let you use widowmaker if I wouldn't've tried it myself. That one time I tried was enough.
Somehow I sense you're another retard who uses Enigma and 2x Ravens versus every smiter. Not like that would be "retarded", lots of good people beat smiters that way, but Fortitude+Angelics is superior due to more damage. In case of Telesmite however, Fortitude loses.
Once again, if you really think I'd bother dueling some arrogant US/Ladder kid, you're wrong. First of all, I duel on EUSCNL, second off I do not duel people who think they're gods when they beat randoms in public games.
I can easily say that public games do _not_ represent the good players of EUSCNL. I've not seen morotsjos, Goldwrap, Tiber, BastardInstinct in pubs too many times. And when they are there, they beat almost everyone there, even though I heard Tiber gets beaten by almost any barb who uses Fortitude and Widowmaker, but he is a Windy after all.
If you would've checked half of all my posts, you would know that I do have quite a good idea on how it is to duel good people who know what they're doing.
lol im NL firstly.
secondly, i dont use 2x frosts to duel smiters lol. whered u get that? dont make assumptions.
you throw around these pros names, likei know them (altho i do know moro and gwrap). why? do u think it makes you sound more cool and more informative of d2 pvp b/c u 1v1ed them and probably lost to them?
and why r u so defensive? i didnt say u didnt know **** aobut pvp
mainaman
07-06-2006, 19:21
lol im NL firstly.
secondly, i dont use 2x frosts to duel smiters lol. whered u get that? dont make assumptions.
you throw around these pros names, likei know them (altho i do know moro and gwrap). why? do u think it makes you sound more cool and more informative of d2 pvp b/c u 1v1ed them and probably lost to them?
and why r u so defensive? i didnt say u didnt know **** aobut pvp
um by the way now that i read your initial post it seems that the whole point of it is to tell us that you bought a Widowmaker ,and some random info on how you use it . Gj on the buy we are impressed and jealos.
You start sounding like that guy KaytonXe which is pretty much annoying im sorry to say that ...
lol im NL firstly.
secondly, i dont use 2x frosts to duel smiters lol. whered u get that? dont make assumptions.
Most randoms use 2x ravens, that's where I got it from. And of how offensive and agressive and other qualities you have, you look like a random to me.
you throw around these pros names, likei know them (altho i do know moro and gwrap). why? do u think it makes you sound more cool and more informative of d2 pvp b/c u 1v1ed them and probably lost to them?
Ehh, no? I duel a lot with Golwrap in pubs, and he's my "friend". Same with morotsjos, even though, rarer.
and why r u so defensive? i didnt say u didnt know **** aobut pvp
I'm defensive because being offensive gets you a bad reputation and most likely you will get banned. That's why.
I have no beef with anyone here, but just to point out
And of how offensive and agressive and other qualities you have, you look like a random to me.
You're no angel, yourself there. You also use "random" and "ignorant" as nouns and insults. That's really not very cool, as not everyone here is a godly elitist. Sorry to disappoint. Besides, like I said, throwing around big names won't do anything for those who don't know/care/have the experience, and for those that do...no reason to talk about it with them as it's common knowledge for them, too.
I have heard of blobs, and I remember mcm, but I am nowhere near half their level, and I have certainly never met them before. I could just as easily throw their names around, but it won't do ****.
lol as these guys said a good smiter will rape u with a widowmaker out, u would not even be able to fire on arrow as ur greeted with a tele hammer or desync.
No "half decent smiter will charge into a WW barb that is WW away from the target.
Also you can beat some hammerdins with widowmaker but u still need good technique, vs any decent desyncing hammerdin the odds far change to like a 50/50 duel all depending on the skill or the hammerdin.
Another point to add is the only type of smiter fight i see the widowmaker as usefull is vs v/t but the same principle as i mentioned above apply if this is a good v/t u wont be able to use the bow much and prolly get owned with it out.
I have no beef with anyone here, but just to point out
You're no angel, yourself there. You also use "random" and "ignorant" as nouns and insults. That's really not very cool, as not everyone here is a godly elitist. Sorry to disappoint.
What the hell do you think you are? Somekind of a police who comes to topics and makes a huge racket of a few words that I use? By the way, link me to where I used "ignorant", you're confusing me with morotsjos. And yes, I do consider someone who's got no idea a random, so simple.
Besides, like I said, throwing around big names won't do anything for those who don't know/care/have the experience, and for those that do...no reason to talk about it with them as it's common knowledge for them, too.
I only use Goldwrap as a good example. The hell does it matter to you. You can go back hiding to your corner, I don't care about what you think if I "throw big names". It's really a shame if you have no idea of a good dueler. And the heck of it, like I wouldn't know that the people who know Goldwrap know about him, but it's just a damn example. He's a damn good smiter, end of story.
I have heard of blobs, and I remember mcm, but I am nowhere near half their level, and I have certainly never met them before. I could just as easily throw their names around, but it won't do ****.
No, I've not met neither blobs or mcm, but yes, I have seen most of the videos mcm has posted here. Judging by those and his general knowledge, he's "elite". It's not about meeting them, it's about using them as a good example.
The heck of it, someone who talks about BvCs like they'd know something about them but haven't seen mcm duel or seen his videos are all randoms who have no idea.
That's just how it is. Mcm, luis, blobs, morotsjos, those are all keypeople when it comes to BvCs.
And yes, I think I can say that I know a bit about BvCs, after all the conversations with morotsjos, and after all the explaining mcm did. But yes, you can go around, pointing how not long ago I was asking them for stuff. Well, I got what I wanted, a very goodly stated/skilled barb. And now I've even gotten good when playing with him.
You can complain all you want, but it won't turn the iron into gold, no matter what you do.
its not about names its good to have some kinda rollmodel or an elite player to look upto or a good example to use so that u can measure ur skills against as well as try to define a good dueler.
Using names like goldwrap as an example help to define a quality smiter when u see one and what sorta technique or how to approach them properly.
You guys need to spot using top notch players all of your examples.
lol im NL firstly.
secondly, i dont use 2x frosts to duel smiters lol. whered u get that? dont make assumptions.
you throw around these pros names, likei know them (altho i do know moro and gwrap). why? do u think it makes you sound more cool and more informative of d2 pvp b/c u 1v1ed them and probably lost to them?
and why r u so defensive? i didnt say u didnt know **** aobut pvp
Are you WSCNL? If so I'll duel you with my libby *jmsplat
You guys need to spot using top notch players all of your examples.
Knowing that I've beaten someone who claims to be >blobs and mcm makes me feel good :thumbsup: actually it was 1-1 but I still feel good cuz I was using a 31 hoto and other crappy gear :grin:
It's strange how you easily take offense to my comments, which were not meant to be intentionally hurtful, affronts, or personal attacks.
Especially when you yourself have held a similar position in which stating that those whom you had conflicting views were upset by things you said.
You say things like "who do you think you are?" when you yourself are, in my opinion, deserving of that. But hey, this is a forum, I would believe opinions were allowed as long as we don't break any rules.
You can go back hiding to your corner, I don't care about what you think if I "throw big names".
Where the hell did this come from? And if you don't care what people have to say, then get the hell off the forum. It's a place for interaction, after all. Or perhaps you like decadent shams of a forum where everyone is of the same opinion. Thankfully, this isn't one of those forums, so I'm a bit at a loss at your attack, there.
It's really a shame if you have no idea of a good dueler. And the heck of it, like I wouldn't know that the people who know Goldwrap know about him, but it's just a damn example. He's a damn good smiter, end of story.
Funny. How the hell do you figure that I don't know what a good dueler is? I've yet to even take a side of the conversation. And what of Goldwrap? Ok, I can believe that he's a good dueler, because it makes sense that an infrequent USWest player wouldn't know of Europe celebrities. Did I ever say, at all, anything that would suggest that Goldwrap weren't as good as he probably is? No. So stop talking ****, just because I have things to say that you don't agree with.
Oh, and I can throw around names too. Although I may not be as good as Phyrexial, I'd like to think that in regards to "which is better" debates, which many threads (d)evolve into, I remain neutral. Especially in regards to my personal disposition and feelings about other posters affecting my posts.
And yes, I think I can say that I know a bit about BvCs, after all the conversations with morotsjos, and after all the explaining mcm did. But yes, you can go around, pointing how not long ago I was asking them for stuff. Well, I got what I wanted, a very goodly stated/skilled barb. And now I've even gotten good when playing with him.
Whoa, there, getting a bit paranoid/insecure aren't we? I never said ANYTHING about you not knowing anything, nor whether or not you had anything to do with BvC. In fact, I never even mentioned BvC's. I just mentioned my most looked-up-to players, whom happen to be BvC players, just like me.
So a little more friendly advice, because unlike you, I don't lash out at people on a FORUM: Chill out and watch your tone. I may not have any authority or power, but you're not a better person than me just because you have more posts, you are better at D2 than me, etc. Likewise, whether or not I'm wrong or right, you still shouldn't treat me as you have. I'm not asking for an apology, but I'd like to make it known that you are being very unfair in regards to treating me as a poster and individual. Like it even matters whether or not I agree with you. If you would have treated me differently had I agreed with you, then that just makes you a pompous ***. Like you said
You can complain all you want, but it won't turn the iron into gold, no matter what you do.
Same goes for what I just said. It's the truth, so simple. And just for the record, I never once complained, I just pointed out, as politely as possible, that you might want to watch how you approached the situation, because the way you handle your words could easily invalidate how credible your arguments are. And yes, I realize I'm human, so I may have come across as rude, ignorant, and/or arrogant. For that I apologize. Still doesn't excuse your, IMO, atrocious, overly-aggressive, and mean-spirited response.
Wow, a flame war over widowmaker. That's a new one. Well, here's my $0.02. I agree that his smiter strategy shouldn't work at all as smiters won't take any damage and will block the majority of GAs coming from a barb, simply using that time to close the distance. However, as the barb that should be YOUR job. Letting a smiter sit 2-3 screens away means by the time you actually know where he is from all the desync, that place will be in your face with a shield.
Secondly, widow is only used vs hammerdins who are far away. If you can see them, put the stupid bow away. Watch some smash videos, he uses leap rather than widow simply to knock them back and agitate them into an offensive tele, and widow only if they're running away from him. Also, pay closer attention to smash, as he's not a newb. He does NOT zig-zag vs smiters. Zig-zag is simply a way to get an extra clip shot on a hammerdin as you're whirling out of immediate hammer range. Vs smite that just makes you more predictable so that they can tele in your path. You should only use medium (0.75 second) whirls or less, that way if they tele trying to anticipate, you're out of the whirl and mobile before they can do any damage. Also, I assume you're using grief+beast or botd+beast, so your range is just barely going to outdo a smiter. The way I've always seen it done is to simply use short clip whirls to force them to walk or never hit you. You won't hit them all the time since you're range isn't too much bigger, but it still makes life hard on them.
Lastly, what's wrong with raven frosts? As long as you're using metalgrid and not highlord's, your AR won't be significantly higher with angelics. I'm not saying there's no advantage to switching to angelics vs smiters, I'm just saying that if you're in a pub duel the amount of gear switching you'd be doing every time a smiter joins is simply retarded. If the smiter is really godly and kicking your ***, then sure, switch to DR gear and angelics, but in most circumstances it's the skill that kills the smiter, not the gear in your stash.
no metal grid is not a good choice of amu at all u miss 30% dr + the 20 ias that can help the bow.
with jewely combos, a barb either use angelics or 2 ravens+ hls period.
Secondly, widow is only used vs hammerdins who are far away. If you can see them, put the stupid bow away.
Some people on my realm use Fortitude+Widowmaker versus Windies, and of what I've heard, it works wonderfully. Also, widowmaker is a damn fine weapon versus defensive es sorcs.
Also, I assume you're using grief+beast or botd+beast, so your range is just barely going to outdo a smiter. The way I've always seen it done is to simply use short clip whirls to force them to walk or never hit you. You won't hit them all the time since you're range isn't too much bigger, but it still makes life hard on them.
The range doesn't matter for hell if you have a godly telesmiter or a desyncher.
Lastly, what's wrong with raven frosts? As long as you're using metalgrid and not highlord's, your AR won't be significantly higher with angelics. I'm not saying there's no advantage to switching to angelics vs smiters, I'm just saying that if you're in a pub duel the amount of gear switching you'd be doing every time a smiter joins is simply retarded. If the smiter is really godly and kicking your ***, then sure, switch to DR gear and angelics, but in most circumstances it's the skill that kills the smiter, not the gear in your stash.
Did you know, that with 2x perfect ravenfrosts and a perfect metal grid, you lose 1210 AR compared to dual Angelics, which after all the bonuses turns into 6110.5 AR? That's quite a bit.
Also, if you use Metalgrid as your default amulet, you lose the 34% DS from Highlord.
What good does a Metalgrid have:
450 AR
All res 35
350 Defense
Now, a BvC doesn't need defense, nor the +all res. So it leaves it with 450 AR? What is 450% AR compared to 34% DS? Nothing. So Metalgrid loses.
no metal grid is not a good choice of amu at all u miss 30% ds + the 20 ias that can help the bow.
with jewely combos, a barb either use angelics or 2 ravens+ hls period.
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Wow, a flame war over widowmaker. That's a new one. Well, here's my $0.02. I agree that his smiter strategy shouldn't work at all as smiters won't take any damage and will block the majority of GAs coming from a barb, simply using that time to close the distance. However, as the barb that should be YOUR job. Letting a smiter sit 2-3 screens away means by the time you actually know where he is from all the desync, that place will be in your face with a shield.
Secondly, widow is only used vs hammerdins who are far away. If you can see them, put the stupid bow away. Watch some smash videos, he uses leap rather than widow simply to knock them back and agitate them into an offensive tele, and widow only if they're running away from him. Also, pay closer attention to smash, as he's not a newb. He does NOT zig-zag vs smiters. Zig-zag is simply a way to get an extra clip shot on a hammerdin as you're whirling out of immediate hammer range. Vs smite that just makes you more predictable so that they can tele in your path. You should only use medium (0.75 second) whirls or less, that way if they tele trying to anticipate, you're out of the whirl and mobile before they can do any damage. Also, I assume you're using grief+beast or botd+beast, so your range is just barely going to outdo a smiter. The way I've always seen it done is to simply use short clip whirls to force them to walk or never hit you. You won't hit them all the time since you're range isn't too much bigger, but it still makes life hard on them.
Lastly, what's wrong with raven frosts? As long as you're using metalgrid and not highlord's, your AR won't be significantly higher with angelics. I'm not saying there's no advantage to switching to angelics vs smiters, I'm just saying that if you're in a pub duel the amount of gear switching you'd be doing every time a smiter joins is simply retarded. If the smiter is really godly and kicking your ***, then sure, switch to DR gear and angelics, but in most circumstances it's the skill that kills the smiter, not the gear in your stash.
Leap does not aggravate much, well not me anyways. It is used to push hammerdins out of their hammer fields and mess up potential hammer fields so you can safely whirl them.
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