Uber Tristram

[afwegwwbh]

Does anyone know the secret for reducing lag when leveling in uber tristram?

[Xenon[XoA]]

Kill all your extra processes (these may appear as applications, if your OS is really old).

not the system ones, silly -.-.

Or yeah, just get a better computer >_>

[AnimeCraze]

Use Direct 2D.

[afwegwwbh]

yeah, i dont think you guys understand what im asking.

this is about when leveling in uber tristram, not just doing the ubers.

[NoobXDon]

you go into uber trist to lvl? why? unlimited minion exp? my zsmiter gets no exp when i do the ubers, that includes getting the organs as well.

[baffle]

There is no difference. The main cause of lag is likely to be your computer. A quick google search brought up this:

http://www.techbargains.com/hottips/hottip12/index.cfm

Do additional google searches for more info on how to tweak different Windows OS versions for maximum performance. Use common sense in making changes.

Why would you want to level in uber trist anyway, and why is this in the statistics forum?

[krischan]

Summoned minions don't provide XP and I'm not sure whether the Übers give any XP at all. Even if they do, I don't think it's worth the efforts to collect the organs and keys just for the XP.

I don't notice any additional lag when going to Über Tristram. It just takes a little longer to leave and re-enter the game when dying in there, but that's probably a server issue which cannot be influenced.

[afwegwwbh]

no one understands yet...

when someone understands what i mean by leveling in uber tristram, they will understand and try to figure out how to reduce lag.

i do not wanna release the leveling in uber trist secret yet, as only a few people still know, even tho its been released on another site.

im lookin for a way to reduce lag.

[superdave]

^^^that's funny...

[WebDragon]

How about you make us understand so we can answer your question, or, franky, don't ask it. :angry:

[afwegwwbh]

if you dont even know about the leveling trick in uber tristram, then you cant possibly know the solution to the question im asking.

if someone out there knows, i asked it for them to answer.

[diablo loves donutz]

im a little confused on how ur even lagging, firstly, when i uber with my smiter it might lag very slightly and unntoicably when the big three all crowd me, but never too bad. secondly, i wouldnt consider leveling in uber trist a hidden secret that ur about to unveil that'll shock the diablo world. Yes, after 20 uber runs i did happen to look at my exp and notice the bar to move ever so slightly during each run, but y bother wasting hrs on organ sets to lvl when u can join baal runs for the super low price of nothing?

[afwegwwbh]

ok, you obviously fail to see that you guys just dont know the secret.

the leveling in uber trist allows you to go from 1-80 in one game in 2 hours after grushing.

i need a way to reduce lag so you can level over night.

[Orphan]

the leveling in uber trist allows you to go from 1-80 in one game in 2 hours after grushing.

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i need a way to reduce lag so you can level over night.

That doesn't make sense. If you can level from 1 to 80 in 2 hours, why would you want to reduce the lag so you can level over a period of 1 night? Shouldn't 2 hours be enough?


If you're going to make a story up, it works best if you try to keep things in line.

[kuafu]

Oh too bad, even Orphan doesn't know the "secret":smiley:. I was hoping someone could know it, then I could get help to reduce my daily work to 1 hour per day and still get paid the same amount, and I wouldn't need to reveal what I do, because it's top-secret:wink3:

[Uchiha Sasuke]

Use your one-three-three-six haxx secret to stop all lag and bad peope please! Fix africa while your at it...

[baffle]

1-80 in 2 hours? That's already easy to do in CS runs, as long as they're well organized.

[kuafu]

Out of curiosity, Orphan and I did some tests on this leveling in uber trist thing, and here are few things we found:
1) You DO get exp by killing summoned minions in uber trist, except for Pit Lords summoned by diablo. Each minion seems to give roughly the same amount of exp, but the number is very close to what you get for killing a monster at river of flames.
2) The Pit Lord from diablo somehow doesn't give any exp. Orphan suspects that it's how it's coded in the game data. I'm no expert in that, so I couldn't verify that (the Exp columns in MonStats.txt do list some non-zero value, so it's probably something else). The other thing I noticed is that the Pit Lord in Furnace of Pain does give exp, only the Pit Lord from uber diablo doesn't. I though they're the same monster, but maybe not.
3) Obviously meph summons the most minions, so does it work if you hide a lvl1 char in the corner and keep killing meph's minions in another corner? Well, based on what we saw, it didn't work. Orphan parked a lvl1 char at the top-right corner of uber trist, and we walked to the lower-left corner, planning to lure meph there. Strangely, as soon as meph was activated and started to summon skeletons around us, 3 were summoned around that lvl1 char. It seemed that meph can somehow summon minions based on where you are no matter how far away you're from him.
So in summary, the exp we got from uber trist using normal (with no "secret") method doesn't seem to justify any superiority over normal chaos runs. Chaos is cheaper, safer, and much easier to be filled with 8 (even though untrusted) players. Hyperthetically, the only way I can think of to level in uber trist is like this:
Player A with a well-built char goes in and lure meph to one corner, then start killing the minions without killing meph. This is easy if you use a zealot with lifetap, no CB and no Grief. The lifetap will keep the char alive, and meph's life regen will keep him alive. After this, player B with lvl1 char goes in and hide in another corner. Hopefully, meph doesn't do that "universal-summoning" after he is activated and attacking player A.

[Orphan]

For the record, in a 3 player game the vampires that Baal summons give about 160 exp to the level 3 mule that we used in the test, while a Stygian Hag in the flame river gave him about 220 exp, in the same player count game.

And yea, as Kaufu said, the odds of getting a player 8 uber tristram run would be considerably difficult, when compared to getting a player 8 chaos run.

[WebDragon]

Good job with the trials guys. I had a couple of ideas that I'd wanted to try out. The first is rather simple. Basically doing the same thing that you guys did, but instead of using a smiter to hold the boss down, you use a very high level+synergized bone prison + walls. Spam them to attract the attention of the minions while you work your way through them, at the same time holding down the bosses with bone prisons. It would probably be quite tedious though. The reason I think of it is the guy's complaints about lag. With monsters spawning everywhere + necro summons + bonewalls + bone prisons, it would sure be laggy.


However, to be honest, I'm thinking that a boss-infested ubertrist would be a bit much for a level 1 character. Perhaps the idea is to run keep running around until tristram is choked full of monsters. I'm talking a good 20 minutes or so of just forcing the bosses to spawn minions. After which you kill the bosses, no small feat I'm sure, then clear a swath around the red portal and bring in the level 1 char, hide him within exp range, and proceed to decimate everything.

Also we could consider that since the three portals before could be included in this "run", then chances are the character would be much higher level by the time he gets to tristram. Perhaps high enough level to pass a major exp penalty breakpoint?

[Orphan]

I'm still extremely skeptical. :wink3:


However, to be honest, I'm thinking that a boss-infested ubertrist would be a bit much for a level 1 character. Perhaps the idea is to run keep running around until tristram is choked full of monsters. I'm talking a good 20 minutes or so of just forcing the bosses to spawn minions. After which you kill the bosses, no small feat I'm sure, then clear a swath around the red portal and bring in the level 1 char, hide him within exp range, and proceed to decimate everything.


Has anyone really tried that though? I've been in uber trist quite alot, but I've never really noticed the game summon monsters to a point where there were literally lots of them. I remember one game, Diablo had summoned a fair amount of pit lords (enough to fill half a screen, on the higher resolution setting) but after that he seemed to just continually charge me. Perhaps it might have been a once off or something (or perhaps my memory might be off).

Likewise, I've noticed that sometimes the summoning continues briefly even after the last of the uber bosses are dead, which I usually chalk up to "failed summons" that the bosses did when they were still alive, but the game didn't fully execute either because it was busy doing other things, or the game had already reached some sort of count already. I never really gave it much thought though.

Either way, this would still be a once off run. I still do not see a low level char getting to level 80 in one of these runs. Taking into consideration that Diablo's summons do not appear to give experience points, and the (roughly) 20 mins to "set-up" the area, and you probably could have run an 8 player chaos game.

Even if you're going to clear out the first 3 areas, that's still time that could have instead been spent on a full player chaos runs. On that note, are we assuming that these uber runs have a full party? Because if not, then the exp will be considerably less than a chaos run as it is.

[WebDragon]

For it to be anywhere near possible, it should be done in a full game. Add in the fact the a public ubertrist run will be chaos (pardon the pun), whereas CS runs are pretty much burned into the brain of your average pubbie kid, and it seems certain that CS would end up being better. So, in general, I do agree with you. I'm just curious if there really is a way to level efficiently in Ubertrist.

Oh wait.. I got it. :jig:

You make a public game called "free uber trist" or something, wait for it to fill up, then make the portals so the monsters spawn nice and tough. Let the pubbies bang their heads against it for 20 mins while you do a solo clear (plus rushee) of CS. That way the rushee doesn't share the exp with everyone and, I assume, would get much more than a few levels a run. :cloud9:

[baffle]

Has anyone really tried that though? I've been in uber trist quite alot, but I've never really noticed the game summon monsters to a point where there were literally lots of them.

I have seen a screenshot from a dead player just next to the red portal, where there was absolutely no ground on the screen left uncovered by summoned minions. So yes, it should be possible to fill up the whole place, but I don't see how you'd do that and stay alive in the process.

[baffle]

I found the (likely) explanation to this from an other site. The method seems to be:

1) Kill off Diablo and Baal
2) Lure Mephi into a house
3) Bring in an aura-bugged merc and use a Conviction aura to break minion immunities (or double aura on merc, not sure of this)
4) Bring in low-level characters and just sit back while merc aura kills minions continuosly.

Not some super-secret game bug, just another fairly fast levelling method.