PvP - BvB

[smeer]

I was thinking to use my bramble (lvl 21 thorns) in PvP against other barbs...although PvP Thorns will do 1/10th the damage it will still do roughly the same damage they do to me, and of course I will do my own little bit of damage...lolz.
I know the defense is low, but hey you're using bramble so the whole idea is they are able to hit you...
Anyone ever tried this?

Also bramble will add some nice 43% poison damage to my 10 100 poison damage charms.

[mainaman]

what weapon do you use?

[smeer]

what weapon do you use?
ebotd+beast or ebotd+ss

[mainaman]

try get grief as it does more dmg than botd
get rid of the poison charms and use max/ar/life sc's gc's ,lc's or mix of those.

[smeer]

try get grief as it does more dmg than botd
get rid of the poison charms and use max/ar/life sc's gc's ,lc's or mix of those.
Yes, but what about the bramble.
Suppose the other player is using ebotd, with lvl 21 I will do 1/10 1010% damage to him (so 101% dmg of a ebotd). Add my own ebotd damage to that...so I wil do 2x ebotd damage.
I think it does more dmg than the 300%ed of a forti...
As for the poison charms, yes I know in duals maxdmg/ar/life charms are better, but in the case of brammble you will receive a nice poison damage bonus.

Note: I wonder if torns dmg is effected by PDR, and if my own PDR affects it as well as the couterparts PDR. In the scenario we both have 50%PDR, the great damage of the ebotd I receive will be cut to 25%

[atenza]

i believe DR affects thorns..

but you can dualwield with bramble.. since its kind of to your advantage that you don't block.

Lets see, you'll have 2k more life than a bvb, can dualwield, and reflect 25% of his damage back to him. hmmm I don't think it'll work. BvB most damage comes off either poison, openwounds, or BIG hits because of grief + ds/cs.


however you could prebuff your grief venom using trangs + bramble for a significant boost

[Hulk Rules]

Note: I wonder if torns dmg is effected by PDR, and if my own PDR affects it as well as the couterparts PDR.


Yes and yes.

[KillaBrothers]

Hmm...
Bramble in BvB, huh?:unimpressed:

Well - here's my opinion:

It's one of them "grate on paper" ideas.
As already stated - grate part of dmg in BvB battles comes from OW

It takes some experimenting...
Try it out!
Be sure to share results if you'll be doing some experiments.

*EDIT* or maybe someone ever tried it and could share theyr experience???

[Neuroff]

Bramble does way less damage than you think.

[mokujon]

i want to make a pvp barb too. i was wondering when dueling BvB what was better. 2 weap ww or weap and shield ww? i know theres alot of things that need to be accounted for, like gear and stats. but i was wondering what u guys thought was better. any help would be great. this will be the first barb i make. thanks.

[Rancors]

if u use bramble, u miss the point in bvb and other melee duel.

In bvb, defense is important. High def + max block + pdr make u take less dmg, which means less thorn's dmg. In order to make thorn works u have to get hit, but if u dual-wield, u will die even faster.

wep + shield will be better than dual-wielding in bvb.

Fort is still the best armor in melee.

[KillaBrothers]

Fort is still the best armor in melee.

Or Duress!:thumbsup:

And YES - you'll get beaten into the ground dualwielding in BvB...
The only way out of using a shield is 2/handed 5 range weapon. There are legends of barbs using polearms beating the crud out of every other melee (including classic W/S BvBs)... Personaly I havent encountered one of those since like 1.09, and those that I've met were more or less very easty to kill using W/S. Polearm WW'ers are very old-school barb built and probably takes incradible char-controll skills to kill another melee, as you have to rely on weapon's high range. The legend sais, that when mastered - this barb is unbeatable in melee! iuuuuuu - scary - isn't it?:laugh:

Me- I'll believe when I see one:wink3:

[pdpsiSS]

Or Duress!:thumbsup:

And YES - you'll get beaten into the ground dualwielding in BvB...
The only way out of using a shield is 2/handed 5 range weapon. There are legends of barbs using polearms beating the crud out of every other melee (including classic W/S BvBs)... Personaly I havent encountered one of those since like 1.09, and those that I've met were more or less very easty to kill using W/S. Polearm WW'ers are very old-school barb built and probably takes incradible char-controll skills to kill another melee, as you have to rely on weapon's high range. The legend sais, that when mastered - this barb is unbeatable in melee! iuuuuuu - scary - isn't it?:laugh:

Me- I'll believe when I see one:wink3:
lol, that is very d2 CLASSIC lol. lance barbsowned all..

[mokujon]

what's the best weap and shield setup when dueling bvb?

[XDoomasX]

what's the best weap and shield setup when dueling bvb?

I think It was already posted in this thread...ss/grief.

[mokujon]

which is better a zerker or pb grief for ww? zerker cause of range?

[RetroStar]

Anyone for Fury? Massive OW = Important in BvB.

[atenza]

Anyone for Fury? Massive OW = Important in BvB.

Eth fury = GG?

eth 3 os zerk is rare but near useless.. not to mention runes are only jah and gul, gul being ridiculously cheap now

Fury alone I'm not sure will stand up to other barbs. Maybe instead of fort you could go fury/ss/stone and hope your defence holds up so you can bleed the other guy to death. Certainly a more unique build

[KillaBrothers]

Anyone for Fury? Massive OW = Important in BvB.


Fury is a golden old-school weapo that still kicks @ss...

Actualy there is another weapon that is almost never mentioned - a little cheap (more or less) runeword called Kingslayer... Yes - the dmg is very low, and yes, you basicly have only one choise for weapon to make it into - 4 socketed non etheral Highland Blade. now - the good part:

Back into days when Grief didn't exist - me and my bro had a barb done. Cheap, using unimpressive gear and cheap. Did I mentioned it was cheap? So... A babr using Kingslayer, up'ed Shaft, t-gods, storm, ect... The only expensive part was of course charms, but we managed to gather a very nice looking inventory. The built was ment for BvB and it was very successful. We have beaten barbs using all sorts of weapons - BotD, Uniqe Ber Axe (Death's Cleaver IIRC - used to be a king of weapons), Beast, Doom - you say it... I actualy think, that today OW based Kingslayer, Dueress, Gores build is still viable in contrast to more or less all-the-same BvBs... BTW it would leave you a open slot for non Dracs gloves. I was thinkin of writing a guide for this built, but after a Grief came in - our low/mid-priced BvB looks much weaker. I really miss that barb:hanky:

[morotsjos]

Or Duress!:thumbsup:

And YES - you'll get beaten into the ground dualwielding in BvB...
The only way out of using a shield is 2/handed 5 range weapon. There are legends of barbs using polearms beating the crud out of every other melee (including classic W/S BvBs)... Personaly I havent encountered one of those since like 1.09, and those that I've met were more or less very easty to kill using W/S. Polearm WW'ers are very old-school barb built and probably takes incradible char-controll skills to kill another melee, as you have to rely on weapon's high range. The legend sais, that when mastered - this barb is unbeatable in melee! iuuuuuu - scary - isn't it?:laugh:

that is a myth. no half-decent shieldbarb would ever lose to any twohander.

[KillaBrothers]

that is a myth. no half-decent shieldbarb would ever lose to any twohander.

I think it's more or less obvios for anyone who has done a PvP barb. That's why I call it a legend "of 2handed barb"...:laugh: He's like Unicorn, Santa or The Beast Of The LohNess Lake: no one actualy believes they exist. Those who believe have seen it once or twice, but nobody believs them, yet keeps telling the story to others - that's how all the legends are born.