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lpblasch
17-05-2006, 15:37
I have accumulated 30 million in the stash to use for gambling items. Along with my Gheed's, that would amount to about 500 plus ammys or rings.

Is that enough to possibly get a Highlords/Maras/SOJ kind of item? I haven't found any of them yet, and am thinking the gambling route to get one.

I haven't figured out how to use the ATMA drop calculator yet, so if someone knows the probabilities I would appreciate it. And, I do understand that probabilities are just what they say, and not a guarantee.

If 30 million isn't enough, is there a ballpark figure to shoot for?
Thanks.

Hrus
17-05-2006, 15:43
You have to realize that the chance for uniques is 1:2000 when gambling. If you gamble only 500 items, you will still probably don't get any unique. And if you do - when gambling ring/amulet you have a very high chance that the unique will be not of that type you want.

Nightfish
17-05-2006, 15:45
I would suggest to gamble circlets instead and try for mara's etc at andariel or mephisto. Unless you are also interested in blue / yellow amulets and rings. But I wouldn't try for uniques. As hrus said the odds are 1:2000 for a unique and then it's probably nokozan and nagelring.

AJK
17-05-2006, 15:48
Let's say one out of each 15 amulets is what you want (Highlord's, Mara's).
The chance to gamble an unique amulet is 1:2000.
The chance to gamble a good one is 1:(2000*15/2) = 1:15000.
If you want to have 95% probability of getting one, you have to gamble 3*15000 = 45000 times.
Which equals 1.9 billion gold coins (assuming -15% VP Gheed's).

Conclusion: Just gamble for good rares and maybe you'll get lucky. This is the depressing truth.

Edit: Heh, pwnd thrice. Should've known.

Nightfish
17-05-2006, 15:49
Edit: Heh, pwnd thrice. Should've known.

Just twice. ;)

AJK
17-05-2006, 15:51
Just twice. ;)
Counted myself too. Self-pwnd.:dunce:

ZeN
17-05-2006, 15:53
I cant remember what runes make the Edge runeword... It reduces vendor prices by addititonal 15%. You should equip it while gambling. :)

AJK
17-05-2006, 15:55
I cant remember what runes make the Edge runeword... It reduces vendor prices by addititonal 15%. You should equip it while gambling. :)
I'm not well-versed in the possibilities of RWM, but you're absolutely right there. 30% off in total, nice!
Which leaves only 1.6 billion coins needed :(

ZeN
17-05-2006, 15:57
Well, Arreat Summit is probably correct on this one:

Edge
3 Socket Missile Weapons
Tir + Tal + Amn

Level 15 Thorns Aura When Equipped
+35% Increased Attack Speed
+320-380% Damage To Demons (varies)
+75 Poison Damage Over 5 Seconds
7% Life Stolen Per Hit
Prevent Monster Heal
+5-10 To All Attributes (varies)
+2 To Mana After Each Kill
Reduces All Vendor Prices 15%!!!

@AJK

Come to think about it 1.600.000.000 is not that much.

The Council on p8 will net you ( along with items to sell ) approximately 200.000 so only 8000 runs should do it. But those runs will probably get you a Mara anyway...

Tracul
17-05-2006, 16:55
I heard someone mentioning about levelling to 95 so that rare gambled ammies will always spawn a +2 skill? Is there such a thing?
Ipsblasch, I was just about to create a thread bout this thing, have round 22 mil in ATMA banko and was planning to gamble on some rings/ammies. Circlets are kinda pricey tho...

Shagsbeard
17-05-2006, 17:00
at 95+ all your amulets can spawn with +2 skill... that's different from will spawn with +2 skill. If you are only 91, some of your perchaces will be too low of a level to have that mod possible. At 95, even with the worst random difference (-4 from your character's level) you will still be able to have +2 skills spawn. Not all will... but all will have the chance.

hepcat
17-05-2006, 17:01
I heard someone mentioning about levelling to 95 so that rare gambled ammies will always spawn a +2 skill? Is there such a thing?
...

I believe the possibility for them to spawn will always be there, but believe me they will not all turn out +2 skills. Take it from a broke gambler.:cry:

Edit: pwned by Shags

Arreat_mercenary
17-05-2006, 17:57
As said, gamble for good rares. I normally gamble for circlets, ammys or rings. But when I need something else, I gamble for it if I don't find something useful, for my merc I got a nice weapon which had very good ED, LL, +dex and other goodies.

If you are going to gamble anyway (especially for something like Mara's or SOJ) better buy too some lottery tickets (in RL) in case you get THAT lucky :wink3:

Tiggsy Mcfiggle
17-05-2006, 18:48
Just wondering - are you taking into account te money you'll make back when selling the useless rings and amulets? if you're buying 500, it could make a difference...

FrostBurn
17-05-2006, 18:56
If you gamble a Mara's or SoJ, you will be most fortunate.

Just gamble for rares. Most of us have spent hundreds upon billions of gold, with some pretty godly results. I have two godly rare rings, and an assassin amulet that almost matches a low Mara's. For that, I have sold hundreds of crappy rings and amulets, but it's worth it.

Look for stats on jewellery that grants:
1. FCR
2. +str and/or +dex over 10 each.
3. high resistances
4. good life/mana leech
5. gravy is +mana, MF, GF etc

FlimFlan
17-05-2006, 18:57
Gamble for what you want. You never know if you might get lucky, so try and get a Mara's. It would not be the first time someone hit it big gambling.

monsinour
17-05-2006, 19:29
I heard someone mentioning about levelling to 95 so that rare gambled ammies will always spawn a +2 skill? Is there such a thing?
Ipsblasch, I was just about to create a thread bout this thing, have round 22 mil in ATMA banko and was planning to gamble on some rings/ammies. Circlets are kinda pricey tho...

They will not always spawn with +2 skills, it is that they always have the CHANCE to get +2 skills. Same thing goes with gambling circlets and the like. the +2 to skills mod on ammys and circlets is an ilvl90 requirement. I am not sure for the hats, but I will check on that for you. gambling has the formulae that the ilvl = clvl +4 or -5. Basically if you are lvl95 the lowest ilvl you can get is 90 and the highest ilvl you can get is 99.

edit : i double checked it and it is ilvl 90 for both hats and ammys

DeePee
17-05-2006, 19:30
A few months back I was gambling the few hundred thousand I had lying around in my stash and behold - got Nature's Peace. I was positively surprised since it was a Grailer for me and all.

And didn't someone gamble a Stormlash a while back? As long as you aren't looking for anything specific gambling can really be worth your while. If you are only gambling for Mara's be prepared for a lot of disappointment.

lpblasch
17-05-2006, 20:47
If you gamble a Mara's or SoJ, you will be most fortunate.

Just gamble for rares. Most of us have spent hundreds upon billions of gold, with some pretty godly results. I have two godly rare rings, and an assassin amulet that almost matches a low Mara's. For that, I have sold hundreds of crappy rings and amulets, but it's worth it.

Look for stats on jewellery that grants:
1. FCR
2. +str and/or +dex over 10 each.
3. high resistances
4. good life/mana leech
5. gravy is +mana, MF, GF etc

Thanks, Frostburn, I appreciate the guidance. You're STILL my role model for those thousands of Meph runs and the subsequent givaway. I'd be very happy to collect enough good stuff to give back to the community.

FrostBurn
17-05-2006, 20:52
Aww gee, thanks! How sweet. You've managed to break through my ultra-hard cynical shell, and that accomplishment beats a million Meph runs any day!

:kiss:

Cragthorn
17-05-2006, 20:52
Is there any difference in who you gamble with (as in which act ect)? I've never really gambled much to begin with.

FrostBurn
17-05-2006, 20:59
As far as I am aware, no. All that matters is your clvl. And the fact that items gambled are -5 to +4 of your gambling char's level.

Shagsbeard
17-05-2006, 21:01
I've been wondering the same thing... in particulr, are the ATMA quest rewards specific to that act, or do they pile up? By Act II Hell do you have a combined bonus of -30% vender prices? Tack on a Gheeds and an Edge bow and you're at -60%?

Is this the case?

Hoop76
17-05-2006, 21:21
I think if your high enough level to go ahead and try for it. Im sure that if you dont get a maras, you will probably end up with a few rares that are almost as good.

XDoomasX
17-05-2006, 21:26
If I had that much I would gamble all on boots:laugh:
Still searching for fhr/40 light/40 cold/40 fire/30 frw...

anonymite
17-05-2006, 21:32
With Gheeds and Edge You get 30% off the price, to 44100. Also, most of what you gamble will just be sold back to gheed, which probably averages 7-8k gold for amulets. So really, you only probably have to pay about 37000 gold per gamble. The higher level the gambler, the better- best part about gambling rings and ammys is their price doesn't go up with your clvl, plus the rares can sometimes be godly.

lpblasch
17-05-2006, 22:02
With Gheeds and Edge You get 30% off the price, to 44100. Also, most of what you gamble will just be sold back to gheed, which probably averages 7-8k gold for amulets. So really, you only probably have to pay about 37000 gold per gamble. The higher level the gambler, the better- best part about gambling rings and ammys is their price doesn't go up with your clvl, plus the rares can sometimes be godly.

Thanks for the EDGE reference, but I'm such a noob that although I'm tainted from trades, I can't figure out how to install RWM/RRM. If I can somehow manage that, the bow would be super for the gambling quest.

17-05-2006, 22:17
Between Bnet and SP I've only gambled 3 unique ammy's ever, 2 of them have been Mara's (24 on bnet and a 21 in SP). But I'm sure my luck is the extreme in rarity. :grin:

If you are looking for something specific prepare to be disappointed as odds are you won't find what you are looking for, but it never hurts to try. I like to alternate between Coronets, Ammy's and Rings when I gamble. GL :prop:

Llathias
18-05-2006, 23:00
I've been wondering the same thing... in particulr, are the ATMA quest rewards specific to that act, or do they pile up? By Act II Hell do you have a combined bonus of -30% vender prices? Tack on a Gheeds and an Edge bow and you're at -60%?

Is this the case?
According to a quick in game check, no! Hell Elzix with the Radament quest completed in all 3 difficulties still offers rings at 50k and ammies at 63k.

As for the question of which NPCs to gamble... Technically there should not be any difference, but I wouldn't want to give all that money to Gheed! Either Jamella or Anya for me :wink:

nex
18-05-2006, 23:11
best set/unique jewelery I got from gambling in 1.09/1.10+ is cathan's ring and nokozan relic... but I shouldn't complain, I have luck with rare circlets :smiley: