View Full Version : What Can Get Me a SOJ?
XAndrewX
09-05-2006, 14:18
I didnt think this would need to go in the item eavl. thread becasue I have no item evaluating. What are some things that could get me a SOJ in USEast Ladder. Iknow all economy is different. Here are some things I know could get me one...
300+ Lance
+2 Pally shield w/ pris
8-12 gulls
Anything else?
squiggle
09-05-2006, 14:45
You can By mfing :P
Squiggle
( making yet another useless post)
PassThatChronic
09-05-2006, 15:04
well, if your playin classic, then jesus having 8-12 gull will be more than a soj. Maybe if your smart about it like good ole squiggle here, finding items would be a bit easyer. you gotta build yourself up and pray to god for a drop. Not many people will traid a soj unless they really need something bad.
-Chronic
Heres the deal, I can suggest the arweas where I have gotten my sojs and you can go off that.
I have found an soj:
Nightmare Diablo
Hell cows (a rock)
Hell Diablo
Hell Andy
I do belive hell andy is one of the best places to go SOJ hunting beacuse she "has the most chance to drop rings" according to one MF guide. An soj can be found by any monster who can drop Unique rings, so there isnt one way to find an soj. As for items, you got the right idea, but as Chronic said, people wont trade them unless they really need something.
It's funny that an economy is based on a currency that no one wants to spend.
Why don't you guys price stuff in Pgems, like LOD, than maybe there will be a few trades here and there? People don't usually have trouble spending gems, they're more easliy obtained. But spending your only SOJ on something seems a little rich to me.
IMHO the seal bosses in the cs are a very good way to get you wealth. The rare weapons dropped from there have the highest damage (on average) in the game, and also they all have a pretty good chance of actually dropping rares. Not to mention the excitement of doing runs in a rather dangerous area and getting good xp :P
PassThatChronic
09-05-2006, 22:27
Sojs are overraited anyway, iv seen some crazy traids for a soj. Id rather have many other items than a soj. Id just let the whole "getting a soj" idea go, because it isnt worth it lol :) . Only reason a soj should be used, is for pvp. you can have an amazing build wthought a soj , easy.
Traiding gems isnt manly enough, who wants to play with diamonds and act girly all day. wtf. Anyway, gems arnt worth enough to be currency. I when it gets to the point where gems really are nothing to you, then what do you use? lol shards? Cuz im sure i have found about 6 of those in all my classic mfing. Gems are good to use to a point. I agree that sojs are the WORST thing to use as currency. If only there was another way.
-Chronic
fledgeling
09-05-2006, 23:42
thought that silk/gull/goldskin are one type of currency (with hotspurs being the 4th item, yet not that popular)
also goblin toes for lower range
pieces of sigon for crappy items
tarns tend to be popular (easy to sell, hard to buy)
+rares of course
Ijakeash
10-05-2006, 00:11
I can't wait till hotspurs become popular, again. I have about 9 pairs.
Pretty misinformed comment there Dacar - in LoD pgems are consumable so there is a flow of them into and out of the economy which makes them a very good currency. Classic has no such item.
I created a price guide many moons ago with different "tiers" of items to aid set and unique trades (this was aimed at newer players). Unfortunately, SoJ is a tier all its own and is only equivalent to powerful rares.
I also cooked up a point system to rate uniques, but it didn't quite work out the way I wanted since a "perfect" weapon is worth more than "perfect" gloves.
EDIT: Dug up my old tier price guide, here's the link:
http://forums.diabloii.net/showthread.php?t=378794
Pretty misinformed comment there Dacar - in LoD pgems are consumable so there is a flow of them into and out of the economy which makes them a very good currency. Classic has no such item.
Yeah, I guess you're right. They are "usable" other than for socketing. That doesn't make my comment misinformed, just forgive my memory. I am an old guy ya know... :embarassed:
Kiwi Legend
10-05-2006, 13:42
Currency on classic works off soj in the upper tier and anything below, off one or more high uniques skin/silks/gull.
If your not interested in buying the currency which is in use, you always have the option to search out specific rare for rare trades.
All in all it seems to work fine.
PTC -- I like overpaying for soj's to allow myself buying power for specific items that I will use. Any major offer for a stone is made up of items that will just sit on a mule anyway. I just dont have enough patience to sit around in a trade game waiting
It's funny that an economy is based on a currency that no one wants to spend.
Why don't you guys price stuff in Pgems, like LOD, than maybe there will be a few trades here and there? People don't usually have trouble spending gems, they're more easliy obtained. But spending your only SOJ on something seems a little rich to me.
no mean to flame but its because pgems are worthless crap. and its not like people dont like spending sojs but people with 1-2 sojs probably dont want to spend them. using pgems as a currency would be complete crap. good dupes would be worth 1000's of pgems where as you can get for sojs or vc's easier.:wink:
Kevin William Cox
11-05-2006, 06:29
no mean to flame but its because pgems are worthless crap. and its not like people dont like spending sojs but people with 1-2 sojs probably dont want to spend them. using pgems as a currency would be complete crap. good dupes would be worth 1000's of pgems where as you can get for sojs or vc's easier.:wink:
Please read what I wrote about the dupes in your other thread. A lot of people don't like them here. The stickies will explain everything, and the forum rules. You're new so it's understandable, but be careful about dupe talk. Would hate to see you get banned so soon.
Kev
Kiwi Legend
11-05-2006, 09:13
no mean to flame but its because pgems are worthless crap. and its not like people dont like spending sojs but people with 1-2 sojs probably dont want to spend them. using pgems as a currency would be complete crap. good dupes would be worth 1000's of pgems where as you can get for sojs or vc's easier.:wink:
lol....hmmm, I ve seen better starts to joining a forum, I must say.
que <the titanium louville slugger> which dacar only likes to bring out on special occasions :shocked:
Zodijackyl
11-05-2006, 11:26
PGems are virtually useless in classic, but not in LoD
Pskulls have some value but only for lower end items.
I wouldn't say nobody wants to spend SOJs, but not many people are willing to part with them for the junk alot of noobies offer. Something might be worth 1 SOJ because one person needed an item with those exact mods, but not to anyone else. One player may pay a huge amount for a 17fhr 5rep 20pris 50cr bone shield, but others will see no block and find it useless.
As for finding SOJs, don't look for SOJs, just MF in general and you'll find nice stuff. I've found 10 SOJs this ladder (yes TEN, all on classic), and I wasn't looking for SOJs a single one of those times.
As for the usefullness of SOJs...
PvM sorc needs mana and damage. PvM energy shield sorc needs mana even more. PvP sorc needs more damage, and mana is nice so they don't burn mana pots.
PvM nec will be glad to have more mana and a wider radius on curses and CE. PvP nec will be glad to pump up his damage and mana also to reduce usage of mana potions.
PvP or PvM javazon burns alot of mana, and added damage helps more than any other ring
PvM or PvP hammerdin wants more damage and mana to sustain skill usage. FOHer wants more damage.
Barbs use SOJs for +skills for warcries
In most of these instances at least one SOJ is the best option.
Pretty misinformed comment there Dacar - in LoD pgems are consumable so there is a flow of them into and out of the economy which makes them a very good currency. Classic has no such item.Pskulls in classic are comprable to Pgems in LOD. With a high lvl char you can take an item droped from hell diablo, lets say a grim shield, and reroll it several times while keeping a relatively high ilvl. Put together an inventory full of Pskulls and see what kind of offers you get for it.
As for SOJ, it's only for the real high end rares. Unlike LOD, top-end items in classic are rares, not uniques nor runewords, and as such varry widely. SOJ is the only really valuable item which is always the same. And it's valuable not only for the item itself but also because you can socket godly rares with it. If you want to trade a rare for liquid cash, as opposed to some other rare, you trade for SOJ. That's why alot of times people prefer to hoard their SOJ, instead of trading them back and forth, because an individual rare will always be an individual item, no matter how good, and only of interest to some. SOJ you can hoard them and if ever some godly rare pops up that you just need to have you simply buy it out if you are wealthy.
squiggle
11-05-2006, 13:49
Hmmm What is re-rolling? (sorry for a noob question buti guess i need to ask to find out lol)
Hmmm What is re-rolling? (sorry for a noob question buti guess i need to ask to find out lol)Anytime an item is generated item modifiers are attributed to that item and that is what we call a roll.
Kiwi Legend
11-05-2006, 15:05
Anytime an item is generated item modifiers are attributed to that item and that is what we call a roll.
6 pskulls transmuted with a rare re-rolls that item = New mods
Anyone have examples of some godly re-rolls?
squiggle
11-05-2006, 15:07
Oooh ok Now i might be on the look out for pskulls other then for akukami
Squiggle
(thx again for helpin me clean out mules)
I am glad I started the conversation about pgems or sojs. It has been an interesting read and informative for some.
dlee, your continued mention of dupes in this forum will hurt your reputation here and may also put your account in jeopardy. You may also want to remembeer that when new at a forum, one usually tries to be friendly.
Does anyone know exactly what kind of mods cannot appear on a 6pskull-rerolled item? How dependent is it on character level, if at all? I've found that the recipe produces a rare with a plvl and ilvl of 40, but I'm not quite sure what that means.
Does anyone know exactly what kind of mods cannot appear on a 6pskull-rerolled item? How dependent is it on character level, if at all? I've found that the recipe produces a rare with a plvl and ilvl of 40, but I'm not quite sure what that means.Taken from Arreat Summit:6 Perfect Skulls + 1 Rare Item = 1 Random Low Quality Rare Item of the same type
You can use this formula to get another chance at a Rare Item of the same type. ilvl = int(.4 * clvl) + int(.4 * ilvl) Player level matters. This formula will not work on items larger than 3x2.
WarlockCC
12-05-2006, 12:18
6 Perfect Skulls + 1 Rare Item = 1 Random Low Quality Rare Item of the same type
You can use this formula to get another chance at a Rare Item of the same type. ilvl = int(.4 * clvl) + int(.4 * ilvl) Player level matters. This formula will not work on items larger than 3x2.
I wager it actually does work on items bigger then 3x2, they just haven't found a cube big enough to test it. You need to use the all new and improved hackzored LoD stash sized dupe-cube ! Unfortunately, it is still being developed by the Lamer (inc) coorporation.
I'll just elaborate on the formula as far as I understand it.
Say Diablo dropped a rare grim shield for me. I transfer this grim shield and 6 PS to my level 88 paladin. He puts the shield and PS's into his cube, let's see what happens to the formula :
ilvl = int(.4 * clvl) + int(.4 * ilvl)
ilvl = int(.4 * 88) + int(.4 * 90)
ilvl = int(35.2) + int(36)
ilvl = 35 + 36
ilvl = 71
So the new item's level is 71
This item will still be a rare Grimm Shield.
It will have all the old modifiers removed.
It will have a completely new set of modifiers which are level 71 or lower
The level requirement on the shield can be anything from no level requirement other then the grimm shield's level 25 up to level 58, if the shield happens to have the +2 pala modifier.
Feel free to add to this, as I have probably missed something.
The Butcher
16-05-2006, 03:19
It's funny that an economy is based on a currency that no one wants to spend.
Why don't you guys price stuff in Pgems, like LOD, than maybe there will be a few trades here and there? People don't usually have trouble spending gems, they're more easliy obtained. But spending your only SOJ on something seems a little rich to me.
my 10 cents worth - found sojs in following places - hell council x2 / nm diablo 2 / hell andy 2 (one from dead rogue) and few in hell cs, i agree with the other bloke who said hill andy is prob best spot - maybe its has best combination of Mlv / Clv and area lvl.. ?
squiggle
16-05-2006, 08:26
Well Put :)
Kevin William Cox
16-05-2006, 09:10
I will agree maybe it should be stickied. But that is for Dacar to decide. Sounds like an idea though.
IP addresses can be changed at the drop of a hat. That's how people ban dodge here. And how would you know where Whitelightning is from anyway? What if he's from Germany? lol. The way you write is like a fingerprint. Gets you everytime.
Kev
Kiwi Legend
16-05-2006, 15:07
You grow up in Germany?
You have great English if so. like "uber" terrific grammar for a second language
Kevin William Cox
16-05-2006, 16:43
No. Actually, I've lived in Japan for the last 20 years. My post above was in response to another post here that has since been deleted (understandable).
To add to the thread, PSkulls would be the only gems that could be used as currency IMO also. But those who own GODLY items usually don't pick up items that a mid-level would want, if they do they just sell them for repairs. Same with the gems they find. They seem content to just run D and the other bosses for items, instead of re-rolling. Takes up too much space and time I guess.
Kev
Kiwi Legend
17-05-2006, 00:26
No. Actually, I've lived in Japan for the last 20 years. My post above was in response to another post here that has since been deleted (understandable).
Was talking to Mr. German IP address.
Shademehr
17-05-2006, 15:30
I'll give pgems a little more credit than you guys have. I, and several people I know, do classic rushes for L.O.D. players (conversion at act 3 hell) and we find lots of rares/uniques during these rushes. Most of these are pretty darned useless for LOD players of course.
HOWEVER, since I've just started playing classic, I am able to trade my classic pgems for the rares and uniques from these rushers. They then convert the pgems to LOD with the characters that they're rushing for charm rerolling, etc.
Win - Win for all parties involved.
I've picked up a tarn and a pair of BO sticks for about 15 pgems over the last few days. It might not be a GODLY trade, but since I'm just starting, these things are EXACTLY the kind of gear I need. Now my item find barb (who I've found is useless for the majority of chaos run), is able to do SOMETHING with a level 26 BO. (Only 5 more +skills to go in my quest for perfect Classic-BO!!)
I'll give pgems a little more credit than you guys have. I, and several people I know, do classic rushes for L.O.D. players (conversion at act 3 hell) and we find lots of rares/uniques during these rushes. Most of these are pretty darned useless for LOD players of course.
HOWEVER, since I've just started playing classic, I am able to trade my classic pgems for the rares and uniques from these rushers. They then convert the pgems to LOD with the characters that they're rushing for charm rerolling, etc.
Win - Win for all parties involved.
I've picked up a tarn and a pair of BO sticks for about 15 pgems over the last few days. It might not be a GODLY trade, but since I'm just starting, these things are EXACTLY the kind of gear I need. Now my item find barb (who I've found is useless for the majority of chaos run), is able to do SOMETHING with a level 26 BO. (Only 5 more +skills to go in my quest for perfect Classic-BO!!)
Umm.. this might sound stupid but isnt it pointless to trade for bo sticks? i mean you can just buy them at the npc dudes.
earthrug
17-05-2006, 18:10
I found a Soj while doing the cain quest in hell. A trist boss dropped it.
Shademehr
18-05-2006, 11:03
Umm.. this might sound stupid but isnt it pointless to trade for bo sticks? i mean you can just buy them at the npc dudes.
I can have two in 30 seconds of trading or I can take 30+ minutes to try and shop two. Besides, it was only pgems? :D Which would YOU prefer? ;)
XAndrewX
18-05-2006, 16:02
I can have two in 30 seconds of trading or I can take 30+ minutes to try and shop two. Besides, it was only pgems? :D Which would YOU prefer? ;)
UI was dumb enough to trade 500 def silks for 2 matching green falchion bo stiks.
Kiwi Legend
18-05-2006, 16:24
UI was dumb enough to trade 500 def silks for 2 matching green falchion bo stiks.
The thing is at this time of the ladder, things like silks/skins are give away items for a lot of people. He wanted some sick looking sticks for a BO barb and did what I do a lot of the time, overpay so you dont waist a bunch of time on the trade
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