Lld Smiter Help

[sAmOAJOe]

i'm makign a level 30 lld smiter my gear looks like this

generals flail
+1 30/20 barbed shield
twitch
deaths hand/sash
goblin toes
+1 ammy wit strength
3 pruby crown
2x soj

what skills do i wanna use i wanna use holyfreeze then quickly switch to fanatcism but i want my main aura to be fanatcism so +1 into freeze what should my skills look like then? someone please help thankyou:grin:

[WarlockCC]

i'm makign a level 30 lld smiter my gear looks like this

generals flail
+1 30/20 barbed shield
twitch
deaths hand/sash
goblin toes
+1 ammy wit strength
3 pruby crown
2x soj

what skills do i wanna use i wanna use holyfreeze then quickly switch to fanatcism but i want my main aura to be fanatcism so +1 into freeze what should my skills look like then? someone please help thankyou:grin:
For this mid level dueler(30 is not low by most people's standards although you are free to disagree), I think you may wish to scrap the Holy Freeze idea.
Flashing Holy Freeze doesn't work as well as it did back in 1.09

Without fana you need 109 IAS, since the Generals only has 20 IAS, you can't actually make that breakpoint.
Since you are wearing Twitch and partial Deaths, you will make the 60ias breakpoint.
In total, you will have Generals+Deaths+Twitch=20+30+20=70ias
Meaning you will need level 1 fana to reach the, fastest possible with a flail, attackspeed of 8 frames per attack.

You will probably have level 5 fana since you have those +4 skills. So you will only need 44ias to get 8fpa. 20 comes from the flail, Deaths can provide the rest You won't need the Twitch for it's ias, though I guess you will keep it for it's ctb.

Another option is to go for a cutlass, since you can find those with +1 and 10ias. You would only require 3 more ias from items. Or 2 more skills from items (Silks and Tarn). +7 skills will allow you 8fpa at 10ias, which you can also find on a cutlass.
But getting 3ias is probably easier. You could switch deaths gloves for Bloodfists or rare 10ias gloves.
You could even go Full Iratha's since it provide 20ias. Then your cutlass can be just any cutlass. Add a hawkmail to that for the cbf. The 20frw on Iratha's will also help you chase down your target as you bounce it all over the place.
Without fana(in case you need a resist aura) you need 54ias to get 8fpa. You can't reach 54 ias with a cutlass and cbf. cbf needs to come from deaths, hawk or Jade-tan-do.
Cutlasses don't have 50% slow target though. :)

Or you could use a Blood Crescent. 15IAS on the weapon, so only 12 more ias needed at level 5 fana. Free 33% Open Wounds option to make them bleed while they run.

Personally, I like Gnasher, even though it's too slow to make the 8fpa breakpoint. On your build you already have Gobs, so Gnasher wouldn't really do it for you.

Shieldwise you could consider Steelcache since most of your damage will come from the CB. Though you will want to have Holy shield if you use the SteelCache, I am guessing Holy shield is on your wishlist anyway.

Tell me more about what kind of skillpoint division you had in mind.

[sAmOAJOe]

well basically my skills i just wanted 20 into smite then i don't know where to put rest but would 10 smite and 10 fanatacism work? and if scratch the holyfreeze idea then... no clue. Well i made the decision to swap 3pruby helm for a tarnhelm to get another +1. and another thing is i wanted to make this smiter be able to tear up other smiters because smiter is a very common lld these days. and i run into them all the time and i want to make this one be able to kill all zealers most smiters and allot of other casters and such so please respond and give me best advice this is on useast nonladder

[WarlockCC]

well basically my skills i just wanted 20 into smite then i don't know where to put rest but would 10 smite and 10 fanatacism work? and if scratch the holyfreeze idea then... no clue. Well i made the decision to swap 3pruby helm for a tarnhelm to get another +1. and another thing is i wanted to make this smiter be able to tear up other smiters because smiter is a very common lld these days. and i run into them all the time and i want to make this one be able to kill all zealers most smiters and allot of other casters and such so please respond and give me best advice this is on useast nonladder
I thought about what level Fana you would have and since you choose level 30, the highest you would have is level 1 + skills.
So you would have level 6 Fana :
Range: 10.6 Yards
Attack Rating: +65%
Damage: +135%
Party damage: +67%
Attack Speed: +26%

You could also get yourself 13 points in Conc, giving you more damage, but missing the speed of fana, which you will want.
Range: 33.3 Yards
Damage: +315%
Uninterrupt chance: 20%

Supposing you where to take a cutlass, you would need 54 ias without fana to reach 8fpa. The only ways to reach this is to go without Cannot Be Frozen or find a cutlass with ias. You mention that you wish to duel other smiters, so you can go without cbf.
Hey, you know what, this actually makes your original idea very do-able, though you will have to use a cutlass and not a Generals.
If you shop around for a 10ias cutlass, you can even have Cannot Be Frozen.

Here's what I would probably do :
10ias cutlass, twitch, death gloves and belt, that unique spiked shield, goblins, 2 SoJs. A Nokozan Relic amulet (for the Faster Hit Recovery) and a Tarn/3 sock ruby.

20 Smite
1 Holy Freeze
7 Holy Shield
1 in any prereqs
This should cost you 33 skillpoints, which is exactly what you will have when you are level 30(29 skillpoints from leveling) and have aquired all the normal skillquest points(4).
Smite level 20 (+3 skills) :
Mana cost: 2
Damage: +345%
Stun: 5 Seconds

Holy Shield level 7 (+3 skills) :
Mana cost: 35
Duration: 255 Seconds
Damage: +23 - 26 (ø24.5)
Defense: +160%
Chance to block: +30%
Block Frames: 2 (more than 86% Faster Block Rate: 1 Frame)
[Synergy] Defiance: +0% Defense (15% / Lvl)

Holy Freeze level 1 (+3 skills) :
Deals damage every 2 Seconds
Range: 6 Yards
Cold Damage: 5 - 6 (ø5.5)
Cold Damage To Attack: 25 - 30 (ø27.5)
Velocity: -40%
[Synergy] Resist Cold: +0% Cold Damage (15% / Lvl)
[Synergy] Salvation: +0% Cold Damage (7% / Lvl)

I would do statpoints as follows :
You will need at least 52 dex for the cutlass, unless you can shop a -req 10 ias cutlass(should be possible, may take some time).
And you will need 50 str for the goblins.
Twitch gives 10 / 10, so you'll need 42 dex and 40 str.
The rest, goes to vit. The SoJs will make sure you have more then enough mana.
Because of the Twitch and Nokozan Relic you will make the 32 fhr breakpoint (3 frames)

I would test a bit to see the difference between the PRuby helm and the tarn, at the very least using the tarn to cast Holy Shield at a higher level. I think I would go for the pruby helm in battle though.
Naturally certain items could be replaced by rares. If you would happen to have a (prelod only) helm with 17fhr(I probably wouldn't go for this though, because most, not all, helms which have that are duped :( ), you could ditch the nokozan and replace it with a (level 30) pala amy with str/dex/life, giving you even more vit and life.

The above should be able to tear trough the other smiters, because they have no defence against being frozen, so you will smite much faster then them. It might even work well against other char types, though I would not know which. Because of the gobs, you may not have enough speed to chase down most casters.

I suspect other people can add a lot to my basic plan, which was based on your original idea. :)

[fledgeling]

how does the smite/HS combo work?

I have no idea how to count what is the best combo
think about it
300% x 24dmg
or
200% x 40dmg

one would have to make some sort of a model and find out which one is the biggest

[Pcon]

how does the smite/HS combo work?

I have no idea how to count what is the best combo
think about it
300% x 24dmg
or
200% x 40dmg

one would have to make some sort of a model and find out which one is the biggest

holy sheild and fana add the most to smite dmg so u want as much holy sheild as possible rest smite. Also with 70 ias and a -10 weap (flail) u hit the 7 fpa breakpoint, this is only 1fpa less than with a fana smiter. If i were u i would go lower lvl and use a 70ias holyfreeze setup. This way you wont have to duel ww barbs and whatnot. Also for an lld smiter generals > all, that 50 slow is just too much.

[WarlockCC]

holy sheild and fana add the most to smite dmg so u want as much holy sheild as possible rest smite. Also with 70 ias and a -10 weap (flail) u hit the 7 fpa breakpoint, this is only 1fpa less than with a fana smiter. If i were u i would go lower lvl and use a 70ias holyfreeze setup. This way you wont have to duel ww barbs and whatnot. Also for an lld smiter generals > all, that 50 slow is just too much.
DoH, I was looking at the normal attack, not the smite table. Let's have a recount of votes, since most of my voters are legally dead. :)

Ok, after looking at the smite speed table, which I usually have problems locating on diabloii.net
But you can find it in the left menu, click the first 'section map' under the information header. Then, in the right most colum, you will find the IAS normal/smite attack link.
http://www.diabloii.net/characters/paladin/ias-smite.shtml

This tells me that a cutlass is still very sweet to use on such a Holy Freeze smiter if it(the cutlass) has 20ias.
You need level 25 to use a cutlass and I don't exactly know the 20ias mod level req, but I think it was lower then 25.
Personally, I would still go for level 30 for a Holy Freeze smiter, but I guess it rather depends on what level the other smiters you will want to fight are.
When you use Holy Freeze you will miss out on the extra damage you could get from fana, but the gobs with the speed you will have (6 frames per attack at 65 ias) should make up for that. "Smashing !"

Note that it was Fred who pointed out the value of a cutlass for a smiter. He does point out a lot around here. He probably plays more then me, so he must have a neural implant to play while he sleeps !

A problem I allways have with smiting people or monsters is that they get shoved back, meaning I have to chase them until I can get them pinned on a object somewhere. With this kind of setup, I could use vigor to chase them down fast, since gobs aren't the most speedy boots in the book.

Pcon has a good point about the Generals though. That 50% slow is very handy to have aswell. They won't be able to run away. :)

I haven't read up on the exact effect of that slow, could somebody tell me if that slows movement as well as melee attack, like cold does ? Or just movement ?

[Noite Escura]

holy sheild and fana add the most to smite dmg so u want as much holy sheild as possible rest smite. Also with 70 ias and a -10 weap (flail) u hit the 7 fpa breakpoint, this is only 1fpa less than with a fana smiter. If i were u i would go lower lvl and use a 70ias holyfreeze setup. This way you wont have to duel ww barbs and whatnot. Also for an lld smiter generals > all, that 50 slow is just too much.
Using Holy Freeze against a barb = bad

[WarlockCC]

Using Holy Freeze against a barb = bad
True. :)

Bessides that, I personally don't duel WW barbs with any of my smiters.