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mgomamgoma

04-05-2006, 05:24

Ok so I go to school at Manhattan College and im 19 and I got sick of going to the same bar every weekend that doesnt ID so I went down to Time Square a couple of months ago and bought a fake Pennsylvania ID. It was worth 60 dollars and it surprisingly scans at gas stations and night clubs. Got pulled over about a month ago and the state trooper feels its neccesary to look through my wallet and finds the ID. I get arrested and charged with "criminal possesion of a forged instrument". Class A misdemenor. My friend bails me out for 50 bucks and i dont tell my parents. Went to court today and turns out I could face up to a year in jail and a 1000 dollar fine? Now does this seem a little riduculous or is it just me being angry. About 5 minutes before my turn up a teenage girl recieved 6 months probabtion(slap on the wrist) for getting caught with cocaine, and 35 year old man recieved a 60 day restraining order for strangling his wife. The judge gives me an attitude and tells me to "be a man" and tell my parents and come back in a week thinking they'll get me a lawyer. Now im probably going to tell my older brother so he can help me out. Now i understand the whole issue with terrorism and use of various aliases, etc... But the ID had my name on it, otherwise it would be classified as "criminal impersonation". I just have a couple of questions to anyone reading the forum tonight.

1. are fake ID charges this bad in other states?
2. is it really that big a deal, why is the law so dumb?
3. what do you guys think i should do?
4. ide honestly say 60% of people at my school have some sort of fake ID, is it really that uncommon?

{KOW}Spazed

04-05-2006, 05:43

1. Yes
2. It is because you could sue a liquor store for selling you alcohol and then smashing up your car. Plus you could be doing something more serious with the ID than getting into clubs. Not to mention there is no reason to have one besides doing something that is already illegal for you. It is like the extreme of premeditation.
3. Man up and tell your parents
4. They are uncommon here, MO state IDs are pretty hard to fake. They have holograms and magnetic strips. Plus the lamenation turns pink if you try to peel it off, so you can't use old ID lamenation to make new ones.

Sir EvilFreeSmeg

04-05-2006, 05:48

Now i understand the whole issue with terrorism and use of various aliases, etc... But the ID had my name on it, otherwise it would be classified as "criminal impersonation". I just have a couple of questions to anyone reading the forum tonight.
Apparently you don't understand terrorism. With the proper fake ID, you could gain access to all sorts of places one could wreak havoc in. Just because you were using it to get drunk with doesn't change anything.

1. are fake ID charges this bad in other states?
I believe in Idaho it's a felony. Usually charges get plead down but you're still in deep doggy poo.

2. is it really that big a deal, why is the law so dumb?
It's only dumb because you're a kid. With a proper military ID card I could gain access to Mountain Home Air Force Base. Once you're in, damned near everything is available. Or with a Boeing ID card one could gain access to the plant. Or with an ID card to a hydroelectric dam you can wreak havoc there.

But to you it's dumb because you were using it to get drunk. Even though you may not have nefarious intentions, the law is strict because of those that do.

3. what do you guys think i should do?
Plead guilty and beg for mercy due to being young and stupid.

4. ide honestly say 60% of people at my school have some sort of fake ID, is it really that uncommon?
Lot of people have them. Doesn't change the fact that it's illegal.

DPH

04-05-2006, 06:02

You're going about it all wrong. I chalked my NYS ID and if anything, i can spit on my finger and wipe it right off. And it obviously scans.

PatMaGroin

04-05-2006, 13:16

Ok wait. You had a bar that didn't card you, yet that wasn't enough? I wish I got tired of one bar not carding me. Jeez.

But anyway, why did the cop look through your wallet?

chaca

04-05-2006, 13:29

But anyway, why did the cop look through your wallet?

My thoughts exactly. I've never had a cop ask to look through my wallet, never handed it to him in the first place. Only reason he would do that is if he had cause to search you. Most people get busted with fake ids when they are in the process of using them.

In any case things don't seem to add up with the facts you have given. At the very least I'd consult a lawyer.

Bowsen

04-05-2006, 13:33

2. is it really that big a deal, why is the law so dumb?
3. what do you guys think i should do?

2. Governemtns get a bit narked about people carrying forged documents about, particulary when the sole purpose of the documents are to trick others into illegal action in aiding you to commit further crime.

3. Tell your parents. Be glad you learned the lesson while young. Stick to the dodgy bar.

CibaBlue

04-05-2006, 13:42

You should have denied him access to your wallet, he had no business in it. When a cop asks for your id or license, they usually ask you to remove it from your wallet (to ensure it isn't a fake) But unless he had probable cause, he shouldn't have been in your wallet. If he needed to look in there, when they pull citizens over, they should say "wallet and registration please"

However, just because other kids at your school have them, doesn't make it legal. That sort of "well he was doing it too" mentality isn't a good thing, and you shouldn't follow in their shadows. What is pretty funny about this is that you were going to a bar that didn't ID you, so why change it up and risk getting caught? Is it the feeling of living the dangerous life? Who knows man, but i'll tell you this. However "stupid" you may think laws against fake ID's are, it is still the law. You are under 21. It is illegal for you to drink, it is illegal for you to enter clubs, and it is illegal to carry a fake id which will entitle you to the above mentioned. Do what every other corrupt individuals do in this country.. plead insanity :wink:

Kidding of course.

Plead guilty, admit to what you did, be sincere to the jury, and pay the price. There is no way around it.

DrunkCajun

04-05-2006, 13:54

You're lucky you're not facing fraud charges, which I believe to be a felony offense. Plead guilty and hope for lenience. And buck up and call your parents for their advice.

Stompwampa

04-05-2006, 14:16

So far everything has been said that I would have said...

I'm still wondering why you let the cop dig through your wallet??

Even WITH probable cause, they usually don't search just your wallet...they'd be more apt to search your car, trunk and immediate person (i.e clothing, hair, shoes, other pockets)

Unless this cop was on a power trip or just plain ignorant, he/she would have known better than to search without cause.

mgomamgoma

04-05-2006, 14:39

4. They are uncommon here, MO state IDs are pretty hard to fake. They have holograms and magnetic strips. Plus the lamenation turns pink if you try to peel it off, so you can't use old ID lamenation to make new ones.

NY state id's are pretty hard to fake too, thats why they dont sell fake NY id's here, they sell fake Pennsylvania ones because most bouncers in Nyc have no idea what a pennsylvania id looks like

It's only dumb because you're a kid. With a proper military ID card I could gain access to Mountain Home Air Force Base. Once you're in, damned near everything is available. Or with a Boeing ID card one could gain access to the plant. Or with an ID card to a hydroelectric dam you can wreak havoc there.

Well the fact of the matter is I didnt have a military id card or a Boeing id card, I think it is pretty obvious to every judge that anyone under 21 with a fake id is using it to get drunk which I could do without the ID anyway, taking away my ID and fining me isnt going to stop me from drinking for 2 years. I find it kind of odd how it seems almost legal to sell fakes. Anyone who has been to down time sqaure knows that right next to the Gap theres a flea market and a big sign that states FAKE ID'S HERE---->. Cops walk by it all the time, without even getting suspicious. If the state was really worried about people making fake id's to get into Indian Point Nuclear Facility or Kensico Dam (both 5 minutes from my house) dont you think stopping people that are making the id's would solve that problem more effectively?

But anyway, why did the cop look through your wallet?

no idea, i guess state troopers can do whatever they want, I was shuffling through two different licenses (my current license and my old junior license) and he got suspicious. the fake was all the way in the back

You're going about it all wrong. I chalked my NYS ID and if anything, i can spit on my finger and wipe it right off. And it obviously scans.

its hard to chalk 87 and most bouncers can tell if its chalked by just scratching it

thx for all the advice everyone, its not that big a deal i was just venting last night I guess, I talked to the DA this morning and he said he would reduce it to a fine and some community service

PatMaGroin

04-05-2006, 14:41

no idea, i guess state troopers can do whatever they want, I was shuffling through two different licenses (my current license and my old junior license) and he got suspicious. the fake was all the way in the back
You know its illegal to have 2 drivers licenses right? Why did you have your old one? That's probably what got you caught.

myleftfoot

04-05-2006, 14:44

It's only dumb because you're a kid. With a proper military ID card I could gain access to Mountain Home Air Force Base. Once you're in, damned near everything is available. Or with a Boeing ID card one could gain access to the plant. Or with an ID card to a hydroelectric dam you can wreak havoc there.

He didn't have these IDs obviously. He's probably trying to scare you. Represent yourself!!!

mgomamgoma

04-05-2006, 14:47

He didn't have these IDs obviously. He's probably trying to scare you. Represent yourself!!!

ya i figured just as much, good 'ole scare tactic, i talked to alot of people and i dont think many people get more than communtiy service for a class A misdemenor if it's their first offense, especially if your young

buttershug

04-05-2006, 14:51

I'm not sure if anyone else anywhere has ever noticed but more and more we are becoming an information based society.

(archedgar that was extreme sarcasm, of course it's been noticed for the last 20-30 years)

Information is becoming an integral part of every aspect of scociety.
I blieve information will become more protected. Not only against fake information but also to stop unauthorized spread of protected information.

I think eventually governments will have a zero tolerance for false official information.
And that includes fake ID's.

mgomamgoma

04-05-2006, 15:09

about the whole "why did you stop going to the bar that doesnt id?" question, i was there every weekend all first semester and while it was ok in the begginning, a couple things i got tired of

1. every lacrosse player in my dorm now goes there 24/7 and cockblocks non stop
2. the problem with bars that dont id is occasionaly i will be talking to/dancing with/making out with a girl that is 16 and not know it till one of their friends tell me because they are all liars
3. im not big on the whole statutory rape thing
4. frat houses were outlawed in nyc a little while ago for some dumb reason, so theres no on-campus fun
5. the locals there are always doing coke in the bathroom
6. there is a fight every week and the bouncer who is actually my brother's friend got stabbed
7. alot of my other friends had id's and they went to different bars

the list goes on........

CibaBlue

04-05-2006, 15:37

mgomamgoma

04-05-2006, 15:50

Yeah I guess that could make you not want to go to that bar. However, you should try what they did on The Man Show a couple years ago. Stand outside of your local liquor store and ask people to buy you liquor. :) Or, save your liver and stop drinking because it's obvious it isn't working out too well for you.

i'm more of a social drinker than anything, that said, if i could go out and not be paranoid about the 20 page paper that i have due every week, or the engineering lab that takes 12 hours in the library to finish, i probably wouldnt drink, its not a neccesity, I just like to have a good time, and being mentally retarded for a couple hours then making fun of your friend for hooking up with some lagoone creature the night before is a good time then Im down! No offense to anyone who is into the lagoone creature thing, Ive been accused of hooking up with a girl who looked like the hunchback of notre dame, my theory: if you dont remember it, it never happened :)

myleftfoot

04-05-2006, 15:59

DrunkCajun

04-05-2006, 16:29

Or, save your liver and stop drinking because it's obvious it isn't working out too well for you.

Blasphemous!

DPH

04-05-2006, 17:51

its hard to chalk 87 and most bouncers can tell if its chalked by just scratching it

Well, if you scratch it, it doesn't come off. NYS ID's have little dimples in the lamenating where the color stays, so unless the bounces spits on his finger and wipes, you're in the clear.

Btw, 87 is easy to change to an 82. Don't forget the numbers in black on the bottom. The first two are also your year of birth so you have to chalk those as well.

Sir EvilFreeSmeg

04-05-2006, 18:02

Or, save your liver and stop drinking because it's obvious it isn't working out too well for you.
By a pox upon thee heathen scum!

LonghornRob

04-05-2006, 18:02

Adeathaday

04-05-2006, 18:04

i agree. stop drinking. lol

OxxyJoe

04-05-2006, 18:15

like the others said, plead guilty and stupidity, and 90% of the time they're not going to give you the worst punishment. You will get some kind of punishment, but then again they might just give you probation. In which case you'll probably get caught drinking at that bar that doesn't ID you 3 months later and get into more trouble.

Only drink at friends' houses.

LonghornRob

04-05-2006, 18:28

I'm 20 and I have no intention of trying to get into bars right now (although I did get into a bar earlier in the year when Texas won the Rose Bowl and proceeded to drink myself stupid). All of my friends in Austin are over 21 and most everyone at the parties I attend are over 21 as well, so I don't have to worry about getting in trouble for it.

Matt

04-05-2006, 19:12

I dont think having a fake is too big a deal myself, I know where to get them if I wanted one/had the money to get one. As it is now, its really not difficult to drink at all where I go to school (the bars let you in no matter how old you are, and you can wash off the x's and get a friend to buy for you, they really dont care once you're inside). In fact, I went out last night, just stuck out my wrist expecting X's, and they gave me a wristband...

I can see why having a fake is a bit more serious offense, but because you had it clearly only for drinking, and it had your name on it, I highly doubt you'll get more than a fine and the community service hours. (See if your state has a first offenders program too)

I wouldnt tell your parents if you can avoid it... I dont really see why you would, unless you're really worried you might get some jailtime or a fine you cant pay on your own.

As for the cop looking through your wallet, I dont think he had probable cause to do so. Of course, he can ask you, but you would've been well within your rights to say sorry, heres my license, and give him the junior operators as well to show thats not a fake.

-Matt

CibaBlue

04-05-2006, 21:18

@ Evil conservative

Don't get me wrong, i'm all for drinking, but if it's bringing you problems, maybe it's time for a play change? I mean, if there was a certain chair in the room that everytime you sat in it, your *** instantly prolapsed, would you or would you not choose a different seat to sit in?? Fake id's just aren't his thing, but i'll just stick to my routine of picking a friends house, having someone 21 or older buy my friends and I liquor, and have fun inside.. Frat boy free, lacking fake id's, and safe and sound.

Freet

04-05-2006, 21:36

Bordillo

05-05-2006, 01:28

You will most likely get a fine and maybe probabtion, I highly doubt anyone goes to prison for a fake I.D.

Bordillo

05-05-2006, 01:31

This doesn't sound like illegal search to me. When the cop saw two drivers licenses that gave him the right to see what else was in there. This was a true rookie mistake and, quite frankly, your uppins have come.

Tell your parents. Accepting responsibility for your actions is a sign of maturity that I'm suspecting they have been wishing you would show for some time now. It's about time you gave them this.

Just my 2 pesos.
A good lawyer would say the I.D. couldve been his brothers or something like that, realistically I dont know the story but I dont even know how a cop would see in your wallet. Consult a lawyer

HAMC8112

05-05-2006, 01:38

Look at the bright side man, a year isnt that long. You'll meet loads of exiting and or crazy people. You will get to know several different kinds of dope. The magic art of car and bike theft. You will get to know pimps and dealers and murderers and rapists. It is not going to be so bad, after all it is not a belgian jail you are going too.

Xenon[XoA]

05-05-2006, 02:11

A good lawyer would say the I.D. couldve been his brothers or something like that, realistically I dont know the story but I dont even know how a cop would see in your wallet. Consult a lawyer
I'm sure all good lawyers sidestep and blame it on a different family members.

Why would he be carrying his brothers ID to begin with? Fake or not. Doesn't make sense - and if I can see through that, i'm sure a judge could.

buttershug

05-05-2006, 02:15

A good lawyer would say the I.D. couldve been his brothers or something like that, realistically I dont know the story but I dont even know how a cop would see in your wallet. Consult a lawyer

A good lawyer would commit easily detected perjury?
Even a lousy DA would ask about the brother.
He handed the cop one license then another so the cop then searched his wallet.

llad12

05-05-2006, 02:46

This doesn't sound like illegal search to me. When the cop saw two drivers licenses that gave him the right to see what else was in there. This was a true rookie mistake and, quite frankly, your uppins have come.

Tell your parents. Accepting responsibility for your actions is a sign of maturity that I'm suspecting they have been wishing you would show for some time now. It's about time you gave them this.

Just my 2 pesos.

I was going to say something like that Freet ... gee, we old geezers often think alike. :azn: