Duriel on hit-and-run??

[TokioMaster]

Ok, I know you're all thinking "RESTART HIM" after the Andy fiasco (:rolleyes:) but that's out of the question right now. Sorry, but this is my test mancer, to see what he can do. I'm not TRYING to make an uber-char, I'm trying to make someone who has variety.

I've been trying to kill Duriel and have died twice so far. Now, have I been trying the wrong tactic? Here's what I'm doing:

Get out a golem and all my skeles and mages, and rush in behind them. IM Duriel. Let him weaken himself on the skeles. Then summon more golems and stay in a corner, continuously IM'ing Duriel.
Soon, she SHOULD die. But instead, she does her little charge attack on the golem, kills him, and then has me in a corner. I try to run to get some space to unleash the next golem, but she does her little freezing aura thing and goes midieval on me before I get very far >.<

What am I doing wrong??

[Chain of Strength]

maybe you should have a tp to escape.
thats what i do to get more pots.
i continuously check my health and when i need pots, SHAZAAM!, i have a tp.

[WebDragon]

Give us a quick overview of what level you have your skills at? Also, what type of merc do you have?

[Merick]

It's completely normal to have to run to town several (even dozens) of times when you kill normal duriel with no equipment other than what you have found with that char. Just keep going back and forth.

[Fluffballer]

Duriel is a guy.

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[Merick]

Duriel is a guy.

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That's what the OP said, who are you disagreeing with?

And people have always told me Duriel was a she, but the AS says otherwise: http://www.battle.net/diablo2exp/monsters/act2-duriel.shtml

[Fluffballer]

Soon, she SHOULD die. But instead, she does her little charge attack on the golem, kills him, and then has me in a corner. I try to run to get some space to unleash the next golem, but she does her little freezing aura thing and goes midieval on me before I get very far >.<

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[Dawnmaster]

That's what the OP said, who are you disagreeing with?

And people have always told me Duriel was a she, but the AS says otherwise: http://www.battle.net/diablo2exp/monsters/act2-duriel.shtml

Actually, take a closer look at what the OP said :rolleyes:


Ok, I know you're all thinking "RESTART HIM" after the Andy fiasco (:rolleyes:) but that's out of the question right now. Sorry, but this is my test mancer, to see what he can do. I'm not TRYING to make an uber-char, I'm trying to make someone who has variety.

I've been trying to kill Duriel and have died twice so far. Now, have I been trying the wrong tactic? Here's what I'm doing:

Get out a golem and all my skeles and mages, and rush in behind them. IM Duriel. Let him weaken himself on the skeles. Then summon more golems and stay in a corner, continuously IM'ing Duriel.
Soon, she SHOULD die. But instead, she does her little charge attack on the golem, kills him, and then has me in a corner. I try to run to get some space to unleash the next golem, but she does her little freezing aura thing and goes midieval on me before I get very far >.<

What am I doing wrong??
So in total the OP said once that Duriel was a guy and about 5 times Duriel was a girl, I can understand why Fluffballer was confused :grin:

[WebDragon]

I'm so glad all that was cleared up. :rolleyes:

[Merick]

Actually, take a closer look at what the OP said :rolleyes:


So in total the OP said once that Duriel was a guy and about 5 times Duriel was a girl, I can understand why Fluffballer was confused :grin:

Ah, I only looked for the first pronoun, fluffballer apparently reads posts bottom up.

[TokioMaster]

I figure on monsters don't have reproductive organs anyway, gender doesn't count in the first place :rolleyes:

Anyway, here're my skills (synergies included):
-lvl 3 bone spear
-lvl 3 CE
-lvl 3 poison dagger (got for p.nova l8r :tongue:)
-lvl 3 poison explosion
-lvl 3 amp. damage
-lvl 3 IM
-lvl 3 weaken
-lvl 3 decriptify (time limit on this sucks so bad... They should seriously fix this...)
-lvl 7 skele summon
-lvl 6 skele mage
-lvl 6 skele mastery
-lvl 3 clay golem
-lvl 3 blood golem
-lvl 3 iron golem

Hold on... That doesn't add up... Well, roughly that :tongue: Maybe a few more in mage and mastery, and maybe 8 in skele summon... Hmm... Approx. levels I guess you'd call those, lmao...

EDIT: Btw, I was brainstorming right before I read this and thought "DUH, TP!!" so I think I'll try that :tongue: But ty for confirming that it'd work and that tp'ing doesn't make me a complete n00b <.< >.> lol...

[Merick]

I assume you have +2 all skills?

Anyway, here're my skills (synergies included):
-lvl 3 bone spear Focus on summon or bone, both doesn't work well without really nice equipment
-lvl 3 CE good for a summoner
-lvl 3 poison dagger (got for p.nova l8r :tongue:) ok, now you're focusing on all three main necro builds, choose 2 at the very most, 3 is awful
-lvl 3 poison explosion
-lvl 3 amp. damage One is enough always
-lvl 3 IM only useful as a prereq for Lower res or decrep
-lvl 3 weaken ditto
-lvl 3 decriptify (time limit on this sucks so bad... They should seriously fix this...) This may be a good curse if you are going half summon half bone, or just bone.
-lvl 7 skele summon
-lvl 6 skele mage
-lvl 6 skele mastery
-lvl 3 clay golem
-lvl 3 blood golem
-lvl 3 iron golem going for fire golem? It stinks, it does no damage in hell. Niehter do iron golems or blood golem or clay golems. However, clay golems slow enemies so they are useful

[WebDragon]

My tips for you would be:

1. Forget Iron Maiden, spam Decrepify on him instead.

2. Cast/Recast your Clay golem on him at all times. Coupled with Decrepify, that'll really slow him down.

3. Get yourself an act 2 merc! The one that gets.. uhh.. the thorns aura? (someone help with that). Put any ol' stick on 'em, something with life leech ideally, and he'll add to your army's punch considerably.

4. Don't wait for all your guys to die before you tp out. Once you have 3 or so left, leave, go to the sewers, remake your army, resurrect your merc, and go in.

[Merick]

3. Get yourself an act 2 merc! The one that gets.. uhh.. the thorns aura? (someone help with that). Put any ol' stick on 'em, something with life leech ideally, and he'll add to your army's punch considerably.


Prayer (combat), Blessed aim (offensive), and defiance (defense) are the options. I'd go with defiance at this point.

[TokioMaster]

Well I've been focusing on IM+iron golem for this guy sinse IG comes with thorns aura already and that plus IM manages to give a little extra punch. But I could use clay instead- I could really spam those with as low as the mana cost is...

And yes, +2 all. :tongue:

[AnimeCraze]

Duriel hits hard. Just IM and clay golem. Make sure you have a TP to his lair or right outside of it. If you die, get in again and repeat. After 5~10 deaths, he should fall. Make sure you set up the TP again after you get in, though.

[TokioMaster]

Ok, about to try w/ TP and merc... I'll report back on progress when I win or die...

[AnimeCraze]

You will win, eventually. It's just how many deaths.

[TokioMaster]

Well, I tried a completely origional tactic and it utterly failed...

I tried a bone spear/terro tactic. Tried to lure him in close with my bone spear, then make him run and repeat. I had my belt set and ready for lots and lots of magic casting...
Well, apparently, he's immune to terror. Hmm... I may have to try plan A :tongue:

Btw, I tried a tp, and it worked the first time. But the second time I went in (trying to spam him with clay golem) he easily made it past my clay golem army (he broke them down before they even hit him...) and stunned me. I was caterpillar/mantis/??? food in no time flat...
I think I'm better off with remaking an iron golem every time I tp and maybe going out into a low-level area and rebuilding my skele armies(??) and hitting him with that and tp.
My first wave just about killed him. I think I could've smashed him had I repeated the same strategy...

[AnimeCraze]

You get in, TP immediately (you don't plan on getting back anyways), IM him, then cast clay. It doesn't matter if you die. His health will pretty much stays the same. In short, you are just going to let him kill you and/or your golem, while doing damage to himself.

[TokioMaster]

Right, well see the problem I have with that is, in short, I only have 1 weapon- my +2 nec scepter. So if I lose that, it makes my clay pretty much useless and by the end of 15 minutes I'll have so many corpses littering the ground I could fill a graveyard and she STILL wouldn't be dead. I think letting her tank on my skeles and wipe out her own life is a bit more... safe? And sinse my skeles each hav ~150hp, that times 8 is 1.2k, plus ~600 from an iron golem is 1.8k. Remake all my skeles in Act 1 (easier enemies, lolz...), buy a cheap 60gp assassin weapon, remake my iron golem, hop back in the portal, and IM him again. That's 3.6k damage so far. Once she kills them, let her tank on clay golems while I bide time to get another tp ready and leave. I repeat.

No dying involved, and I deal out about 10k damage and I don't even lose my bone armor :grin:
I'm gonna try it tomorrow...

[WebDragon]

FYI, Duriel in normal has 3995 hitpoints.

[k/t]

You should read up on skills before using them. And on builds before making chars.


Terror - This curse causes its victim to hallucinate, conjuring their greatest fear in corporeal form before their eyes. They believe these apparitions are real and run from them as long as the curse affects them.

Effect: Cursed monsters run in fear.

Player vs Player - This will not work on other Players.

This will not work on Super Unique Monsters and Bosses.


I made a Single Player summoner (untwinked) who's in Act 1 NM at the moment. I play only on /players 8, except for bosses. I fought Duriel at level 27 without losing a single skeleton. I used Decrepify.

You should have taken everyone's advice and remade your necro. I think the results of the experiment are already pretty clear. I remember what somebody said in your Andy thread: "I see many more threads in the future". Hehe, I think it was AbuDhabi.

And Duriel is still male.

[TokioMaster]

Lolz, like I said, I don't want an uber-char. I want some variety so I know how to do everything and what I fancy before I make a serious char. This is my first guy, he's just experimental. I must taste all the candy before I decide which is sweetest...

[TokioMaster]

Just fought him again, using decriptify...

How to put this?... Hmm...

Well, let me put it this way... When Duriel fell, I didn't need to recast any golems, nor my bone armor. I didn't need to heal my merc. And I still had over half my skeles.

Well that's done then :tongue:

[k/t]

We're looking forward to your Meph thread.

[AnimeCraze]

Lolz, like I said, I don't want an uber-char. I want some variety so I know how to do everything and what I fancy before I make a serious char. This is my first guy, he's just experimental. I must taste all the candy before I decide which is sweetest...You got a tough job ahead of you. It reminds me of the broken meteorb sorc that I had at beginning of season 2 (which was converted into a mule once I know how to really build one).

[TokioMaster]

Lolz, well my mission is to teach myself, not let what everyone else do teach me. If I don't have any experiences of my own besides something implanted into my brain by someone who is essentially a complete stranger, then honestly there was no point in me paying 30 bucks and my hardware space for it.
I play to learn, not to follow.

And if you guys really think that my want- nay, my need- to evolve from my own misgivings instead of the misgivings of others is that annoying and noobish, then I'll stop posting my concerns. Fine by me. 90% of what I end up getting is flame anyway and I don't want to sift through that garbage to hit anything at all.
You may think you guys are doing me a big favor, but what it comes out as in my point of view is you're trying to force me into doing something I already blatantly refused to do, and if that's all you have to offer, then kindly leave me alone because I don't want to be the target of whatever unnecissary coments you bring up to me.

[AnimeCraze]

Ok, point taken. It's just that we don't want you to reinvent the wheel, that's all. But then, isn't forcing people to follow stranger's ideas what they do at the place known as school? They spoon feed you with ideas and expect that you follow them.

[sorcyone]

With Duriel I always used thawing potions on my merc and myself. It brings your cold resistance up to 85%!

You should cast your golem next to Duriel. That way Duriel does not use his charge attack which is quite deadly. Same thing if you have no minions. Even a sorceress can tank Duriel if you stand next to him. Running away is quite dangerous.

Last week was my first Hell visit this ladder Duriel was quite nice to me, I didn't even know he could drop Arachnid mesh, and that was straight after my first hell Summoner quest I got a key of hate!

[AbuDhabi]

You should have taken everyone's advice and remade your necro. I think the results of the experiment are already pretty clear. I remember what somebody said in your Andy thread: "I see many more threads in the future". Hehe, I think it was AbuDhabi.


Hehehe yes that was me. I thought we might be hearing from tokio but its fine by me. Im glad i was remembered :). Anyways, tokio, yes ppl r trying to help but as u notice a LOT of the posters have helpful hints to allow u to keep ur "learning experience" going while giving u "flame". I understand what u mean, what ur doing, and how u view a lot of the other posters, but in all the same we are here to help. I give more power to u for u going and learning on ur own and just doing w/e, at the same time ima going to give ya hints and help u with a future build to go along with the info u learn by urself and im sure many others would say the same. Anyways to make a long story short, im here for ur next threads and i think i was right about more. pm me anytime with any questions that u dunt want to post publicly.

[k/t]

People are telling you what the best way to do things is. If you don't want to know what the best way is, ask on Bnet. Most of the time you'll get ignored or the answer "ROFL NOOB". People here gave you lots of ideas that you could try in your situation, as well as suggestions for making your character better. If you were truly "exploring which candy tastes sweetest" and trying to learn on your own you wouldn't be asking anyone anything.