Boring old Char types

[Dagnome]

I dont know about you guys, but I am really getting bored of seeing the same old types of chars on D2. Does anyone here see where im coming from? Do you think that there are some things that are just underrated that people dont even think to try them? A throwing baba, frenzy baba, summon necros even? I am really into pvp and I want to win duels of course, but do you think that some classes/char builds are really underated? I guess this is a more share you hybrid/ideas for chars here, course im new so theres probably a thread like this in the trash bin already. :)

[fredsta54]

I dont know about you guys, but I am really getting bored of seeing the same old types of chars on D2. Does anyone here see where im coming from? Do you think that there are some things that are just underrated that people dont even think to try them? A throwing baba, frenzy baba, summon necros even? I am really into pvp and I want to win duels of course, but do you think that some classes/char builds are really underated? I guess this is a more share you hybrid/ideas for chars here, course im new so theres probably a thread like this in the trash bin already. :)

I see where your coming from. A lot of us play underdog builds, simply cuz their more fun






Fred

[WarlockCC]

I see where your coming from. A lot of us play underdog builds, simply cuz their more fun






Fred(The below aimed at Dagnome, not at Fred)
Yeap. If you are looking for something else, try a CS cleric/holy bolter. Not a hybrid foh/healer or hammer/healer, but really a specialized healer with as much as possible +skills and several other aura's at level 1(+skills) for aura support.
These don't kill much in pvp though, but they can be a valuable asset in team duels.
some skills to max would be :
Prayer(More healing on your holy bolt and on your meditation)
Holy Bolt
Blessed hammer(More damage on your holy bolt against undead)
FoH(More damage on your holy bolt against undead)
Meditation mebbe.

You may also want 1 in conversion, since there is a good chance you won't be able to kill venom lords in CS without it.

Your tactic has to ajust itself to the party with every CS you do.
Since every party is different, you will have lots of variation in playstyle.

Atm my healer's bolts heal 260-536 per shot and do 69xx-74xx damage to undead. Poor Seis never knows what hit him and the second shot is almost allways fatal to him(in 7 player CS)
So you can actually kill things aswell, just not players. But Oblivion knights flee like kids before a yellow snowball.

[tdlofcc]

Dang Warlock ... now you really make me want to make one too :P

I remember our CSing with your healer. Mana aplenty and no one died even once :)

[WarlockCC]

Dang Warlock ... now you really make me want to make one too :P

I remember our CSing with your healer. Mana aplenty and no one died even once :)
It's the Yellow Snowball that convienced yah, eh ? :)

tbh, mine could have been done a lot better, since his base str is already 100(for his silks) And he could do with quite a bit less cause he gets str from items.
Res-wise he also could be in a better state I guess since the belt I chose was a smoke. There are probably better choices out there.
Although 10 res all and 50dtm isn't that bad.

[tdlofcc]

Yes, I'll build mine a little different. Skillwise AND statwise.
But otherwise, still a healer.

Which reminds, I'll just go look for items to use on him :)

[WarlockCC]

Yes, I'll build mine a little different. Skillwise AND statwise.
But otherwise, still a healer.

Which reminds, I'll just go look for items to use on him :)
What will yee give him then ?
Stats, skills, what, What, WHAT !?
I must say, Octavius(my healer) hardly ever dies though. So his build probably isn't that bad.

Thusfar I have only seen one other pala running around CS that was even able to heal a little and I think he was mainly a FoHdin.
So be carefull not the make a hybrid. :)

[Kiwi Legend]

Poor Seis never knows what hit him and the second shot is almost allways fatal to him(in 7 player CS)
So you can actually kill things aswell, just not players. But Oblivion knights flee like kids before a yellow snowball.

I like it! very cool idea

[Dagnome]

Im not much to build a team helper, Maybe we should all get together and CS sometime. I wouldnt mind seeing this Healer of yours in action.

I was thinking of making a throwabab. A barb that utulizes the throwing ability. Does anyone have any suggestions for this kind of barb? Think he is worth trying pvp?

[WarlockCC]

Im not much to build a team helper, Maybe we should all get together and CS sometime. I wouldnt mind seeing this Healer of yours in action.

I was thinking of making a throwabab. A barb that utulizes the throwing ability. Does anyone have any suggestions for this kind of barb? Think he is worth trying pvp?
Sure, if, bessides your USEast one, you have a account on Euro/sc/nl where my healer is stationed. :)
My healer's name is OttoOctavius, no affiliation to the guy that has all these other otto names.

[Dagnome]

Ok I was thinking of this for my barb. He will be mostly about IAS, cause with that no one will be able to get close enough to hit me. I could use a cold damage belt, + to skills and damage ammy, for armor mostly things that add to IAS, maybe some bloodfists? For rings, I dont know ones that add to damages. Speed, lots of it. The question is do I go jav or throwing dagger? Duel throwing? Single throwing? Does frenzy work with throwing? I could use some suggestions/ideas if anyone wants to offer them up.

[WarlockCC]

Ok I was thinking of this for my barb. He will be mostly about IAS, cause with that no one will be able to get close enough to hit me. I could use a cold damage belt, + to skills and damage ammy, for armor mostly things that add to IAS, maybe some bloodfists? For rings, I dont know ones that add to damages. Speed, lots of it. The question is do I go jav or throwing dagger? Duel throwing? Single throwing? Does frenzy work with throwing? I could use some suggestions/ideas if anyone wants to offer them up.
You won't do enough damage to kill a monster, let alone a Venom Lord with their obscenely high life.
Spiculums do the most damage with their 32 to 60 (46 Avg), but only come in stacks of 20.
Harpoons with their 18 to 54 (36 Avg) are a good choice because they come in packs of 80.
Frenzy does work with throwing, you can frenzy attack a target to build up your Frenzy and then doublethrow with Frenzied up speed. Naturally, after 6 seconds, the Frenzy dissapates unless you land another Frenzy attack, so you would be switching between Frenzy and double throw all the time, between ranged and melee.
Cold damage might work, Cleglaws gloves would work better, though you would miss out on some ias, I think the knockback and slow are worth it.
Rings go up to 9 to min damage, so you could search for those.
I suggest another weapon to level with, just don't take any mastery in this other weapon. Or you could find yourself buying inventory after inventory of throwables.
Monsters like Venom Lords with their 9555-15167 life will get close to you unless they have something else to barbecue. They are quite touchy-feely when it comes to players visiting their lair. They will gether around you and are not shy. Their hurding instinct will make sure there are groups of at least 6 of them.

[Dagnome]

I have a belt that has cold damage and FHR. I was going to use bloodfist, or I have 10% IAS gauntlets. I dont think I am getting bo, Its to much skills to waste. If you think about it, I need to use double throw, frenzy, and max double swing, plus my mastery, thats like 80 points right there. This is defintly a new experience for me, I am going to use a Biggins for a cap? I dont know, again any help or suggestions would be great. He is going to be pvp, I can only hope he wasnt a waste of time like my Fanta din.

[WarlockCC]

I have a belt that has cold damage and FHR. I was going to use bloodfist, or I have 10% IAS gauntlets. I dont think I am getting bo, Its to much skills to waste. If you think about it, I need to use double throw, frenzy, and max double swing, plus my mastery, thats like 80 points right there. This is defintly a new experience for me, I am going to use a Biggins for a cap? I dont know, again any help or suggestions would be great. He is going to be pvp, I can only hope he wasnt a waste of time like my Fanta din.
This is my personal view :
As I already hinted at in my last post, Frenzy is not a good idea to try and combine with double throw. Sure you get a increase in attack speed if you manage to pull it off, but attackspeed works with breakpoints so you will only need a certain amount of IAS from the Frenzy to get a breakpoint.
Now, about the downside of trying to use Frenzy in combination with throwing or doublethrowing :
First you have to find a monster and get close to him to Frenzy attack him
You will have to Frenzy attack him 6 times to get your maximum Frenzy speed.
Then you can switch to double throw to throw some weapons at monsters.
Within 6 seconds you will have to get close to another monster to melee attack him with a Frenzy attack, otherwise you lose your Frenzy and have to start over.

Frenzy is a good skill if you continually have that on or of you are attacking something with a lot of life head on while occasionally switching to doubleswing. But it just isn't made for working with throwing.

So save those points for BO, you will need all the life you can get.

On Bloodfists you have 10 ias. But if you want lots of ias, you may want to consider sigons gauntlets or deaths gloves. They will give 30 ias when combined with another part of their respective set.

Max ias from items while being free to choose a weapon would be :
sigon gauntlets + sigon helm or shield or boots (30 ias)
twitchthroe armor (20 ias)
goldwrap belt (10 ias)

[Dagnome]

Thats what my original thinking was about this. So I am maxing double throw, and I do belive with twitcg, and bloodifst, thats what 40 IAS? Im trying to think of anything else that can give me IAS, maybe rings or ammies? I dont think those exist.

[WarlockCC]

Thats what my original thinking was about this. So I am maxing double throw, and I do belive with twitcg, and bloodifst, thats what 40 IAS? Im trying to think of anything else that can give me IAS, maybe rings or ammies? I dont think those exist.
You'll need to find the Throwing Breakpoints.
Anybody know where to find those ?
No, that calculator on a certain German site doesn't state throwing breakpoints, the breakpoints you see when you select for instance a Harpoon are the ias breakpoints of stabbing/melee. And I rather doubt the throwing speed is the same.
Can anybody confirm of deny that ? And perhaps provide the breakpoints so Dagnome has a target IAS to go for ?

[Dagnome]

Im sure the IAS is probably around 40-50 for a breakpoint. I do appriciate the help you are trying to give Warlock, but dont stress about it to much. :) This is more a test if anything, just to get away from the old chars.

[WarlockCC]

Im sure the IAS is probably around 40-50 for a breakpoint. I do appriciate the help you are trying to give Warlock, but dont stress about it to much. :) This is more a test if anything, just to get away from the old chars.
Thing is, I have a level 77-ish throwbarb, I just don't know how to test these breakpoints.
When he starts throwing it just looks like a long line, so it's kinda hard to tell if he's throwing faster or not.

[Dagnome]

Ya, I see what your talking about with mine to. Have you tried him pvp? Is he any good?

[WarlockCC]

Ya, I see what your talking about with mine to. Have you tried him pvp? Is he any good?
No, not really good at PvP for me, though maybe you just need hours and hours of practice with such a char. When fighting a barb it's like you're playing a Zon. All you do is dodge the WW's and toss harpoons at him.
With the lack of shield and thus lack of res I didn't bother to pit him against elementalists. Unless you can keep a necro in stun you don't need to try that either.
What would you fight with him ? What kind of chars ?

[Dagnome]

Well, if you go for diffrent builds you could do fine. Like for sorcs, use one harpoon and a high res sheild like a ward or something simple like that, for necros you would haveto be very careful and toss and run at them and hope they dont prison you. For barbs, ya just scoot and shoot. I dont know, it just will need some practice. How much damage do you do/what kind of javs u usin?