debate/hey lets talk about this with the vets.

[xpumafangx]

Lvl 15 fade.
curse duration -79% Less time being life tapped/amped.
Resist all 60%
time this effects you 288 Real long time
Resist phy = dr means at 1 point per lvl means 15% Dr.

Down fall you need to go get attackeds alot. For this to take effect. Becuase of this armor fade is on a ctc when hit at 5%.

Treachery (Assassin)
3 Socket Body Armor Shael + Thul + Lem
5% Chance To Cast Level 15 Fade When Struck
25% Chance To Cast level 15 Venom On Striking
+2 To Assassin Skills
+45% Increased Attack Speed
+20% Faster Hit Recovery
Cold Resist +30%
50% Extra Gold From Monsters

The resson why I wanted to debate on this is because I think lvl 15 fade would remove the need to use verds belt or string of ears when dueling. Leting us to use hit recovery, plus to pure life, and plus to str belts. Or a combanation of the 3 mods for the unlucky or not rich enuff. Or even a come back of belts of the whale for the poor. I am for using lvl 15 fade. I want to know what the rest of you feel. Hey even bladebuckle is starting to look sweet.

[AnimageCGF]

Im not a super fan of long prebuffs, BO and summon is enough for me.

But for really hard duels, i'd give treach a go and use enchant. worked on my zealot/smiter.

[inkanddagger]

all out bad manners title duels with prebuffing skills and such allowed - do it.

if someone uses amp damage, they don't deserve to be dueled good manners style.

[MrGoth]

The problem i see is the duration in compareson to the chance to get hit. Wolves dont have good defense, but are you really banking on getting hit 20 times in a little over 4 min?

Even in a gm duel, people wait and take turns and all that jazz, are they gona wait while you run around the bloodmore and get your fade up?




Its a good idea, but its just too low a chance to cast. I played a daggermancer that used this armor {oh my GOD this is a godsend for poison dagger!}, and the fade usually only came on when I got swarmed.

Granted this is pvm, and I had dim up most of the time... But when I forgot dim and got swarmed then the fade came up.




Could I suggest using a Spirit Ward? That thing has some pretty good blocking, lots of resistance, and a cool color. You could make up %dr lost from ss in a coa or shaft stop?

edit; eth wolves are hot although, and bears arnt too shabby when you cant see most of them :grin:

[Kiba]

all out bad manners title duels with prebuffing skills and such allowed - do it.

if someone uses amp damage, they don't deserve to be dueled good manners style.
Even in a gm duel, people wait and take turns and all that jazz, are they gona wait while you run around the bloodmore and get your fade up?


Dont think he asked if this is bm or gm , does it really matter?

You got me started on usin treachery puma hehe.:wink3:
It Does open up a bunch of possibilitie's for belt choice's im gonna test out a "Arachnid Mesh" too see if the +skill and 10% slow will help out. The Fhr on bladebuckle is tempting , but the fade make's a Godly Craft/rare belt seem more tempting.

[remsy]

The ctc turned me away from this aswell.
I hate prebuffing, don't even use demonlimb and would rather take my chances with what I have on and my cta max.

Not even switching out the shape lifers for ar lifers.

It's a good idea but only if you have the patience for it.\

EDIT: And this armor doesn't open up many possibilities at all.

I use enigma so I can have more life. I only have 15 in str, that would be a very different number with treachery. Even if I had to use str charms, that would still be bad as I'd rather have life charms there instead.

Eth tombreaver requires 155 str, storm requires 156 str, all these things would be inaccessible if I chose this armor without some godly rare belt but let's face it, unless you have that belt, you're screwed.

They're hard to trade for as people usually throw rare belts away saying they wish it were arach or dungos or something.:laugh:

[xpumafangx]

Ya remsy people are nuts. Ok so this armor wouldnt be for your kind of werewolf thats cool.

I think by putting this in a breast plate would really increase your chances of getting hit. I wouldn't run around in bloodmore in a pk game. I would go to act5 frist waypoint and try it out there. Thats what I do when I am doing baal runs. Also I wouldnt just stand still letting my self get hit alot. I would attack using a feral rage.

The resson why I didnt want to use spirit ward even tho I love that sheild. Is that its a lvl 8 fade meaning only 8% dr.

[sablast]

I crafted this beautiful belt and I never even used it, I couldn't get over that 15% dr from verdungo:
Dread Chain
Mesh Belt
Defense: 61
Durability: 11 of 16
Required Strength: 58
Required Level: 72
+17 to Strength
+74 to Life
+49% Enhanced Defense
1% Life stolen per hit
24% Faster Hit Recovery
7% Chance of Open Wounds
fade prebuff would make me wear it. It is a good idea

[inanefedaykin]

You're forgetting about the fire trick.
Go find an open fire on the ground, step in it, take damage, get faded.

[xpumafangx]

Thanks Inanededaykin. I am suprised that I did not think of that my self. Any one know if there any of these that are close to a waypoint?

Sablast you are really lucky.

[FattyMcGee]

Sablast that is an extremely secksy belt. holy crap.

I think treachery would be better for the pvm wolf... as many were posting before, in gm duels it'd be dick to go prebuff w/ fade off in another act or something then come out and fight only after you've triggered it.

However for pub duels, I suppose you could get away with it.



-f

[xpumafangx]

Ya I wouldn't do something to a friend that I would normaly do to some one that isn't my friend on bnet.

[ZeeXThree]

Thanks Inanededaykin. I am suprised that I did not think of that my self. Any one know if there any of these that are close to a waypoint?

Sablast you are really lucky.Perhaps somewhere in Catacombs level 2?

[xpumafangx]

Actly if you go to frided wp and go into shrecks area. There are fire spots every where.