BvC beaten 5-3 by a Hammerdin

[KaythonXE]

Hammerdin>BvC
I beat a souped up BvC that used for and widowmaker, and had skill, 5-3. If you don't believe me, ask RetroStar. He witnessed it, and I'm sure he'd be more than happy to agree the BvC was quite talented. So all your WidowMaker>Hammerdin stuff can just go to the dumpster. :)

AND the BvC was 11 levels higher than me. Barb: 91, Hammerdin:80.

[disc]

Hammerdin>BvC
I beat a souped up BvC that used for and widowmaker, and had skill, 5-3. If you don't believe me, ask RetroStar. He witnessed it, and I'm sure he'd be more than happy to agree the BvC was quite talented. So all your WidowMaker>Hammerdin stuff can just go to the dumpster. :)

AND the BvC was 11 levels higher than me. Barb: 91, Hammerdin:80.

oh no this isnt one of those "my dad is bigger than your dad" threads is it?

[MysticDragon]

One trial? Did you duel any others?

[KaythonXE]

No others has stepped up, I'm afraid.

[HappyAssassin]

So, you beat one good BvC. There's plenty of others out them, but congrats.

What was the BvC char's name btw?

[Rangniheldr]

This is isnt D2jsp, go post youre pvp adventures somewhere else.

The pvp section was made to discuss builds and the viability of them.

[JayChyl]

You think Hammer > bvc?

Duel me on Eu SC NL if you dare.

Char name: Terror-Epk

[SicHalo]

Lets not start these dumb threads again, with "im better than you" etc, etc one win is good but still you need to be able to constantly pull off wins and no im not talking about vs one char, vs other barbs.

Again this does not prove much i beat alot of ppl on Europe Ladder that claim to be called so called "BvCs" or "BvAs" but i still wont come to the conclusion that hammer>bvc.

And when i am using BvC i beaten alot of hammers some easy fights some hard fights but again i cant just claim BvC>Hammer.

As far as im concerned its more of a 50/50 fight and thats if a pala knows how to desync and the barb actually knows how to play. Without desync the barb has the advantage.

Cuz i will state this again tele hammer = owned quick period, and if u did beat this guy on tele hammer then he obviously was not good enough. Delayed tele hammer yes but purely tele hammer no.

[Rancors]

you should duel more right b4 jump into conclusion.

[Thoridian]

dueled luis yet? xD

[KaythonXE]

I don't know when Luis gets on. I have a trade going on with him, so, right after that I can duel him. I dueled about four more, and, I have the same conclusion. Okay, one was bad. Not that he wasn't skilled he just didn't have any good equipment. I'm, as I always was, not impressed with the BvC build when dueling a hammerdin.

[Thoridian]

Okay you beated random BvC so what? Duel some better ones and then we'll see...

[KaythonXE]

Beated. Beaten^ And I will. When I find them. Which I can't find. Because they don't exist. :O

[Thoridian]

we already told u to whisp luis and till that time stop saying crap O_o

Because they don't exist. :O They dont? Morotsjos, MCM, luis, blobs... Theyre the best and youre taking pride after killing random pubbarb AND judging all bvcs after killing only one thats probably like 2-3 weeks old or so lolz, ur sad o.O

[Speederländer]

Hammerdin>BvC
I beat a souped up BvC that used for and widowmaker, and had skill, 5-3. If you don't believe me, ask RetroStar. He witnessed it, and I'm sure he'd be more than happy to agree the BvC was quite talented. So all your WidowMaker>Hammerdin stuff can just go to the dumpster. :)

AND the BvC was 11 levels higher than me. Barb: 91, Hammerdin:80.

Wow, you beat some random BvC one time by 5-3, NOT even 5-0 or 5-1, and you are claiming that all the widowmaker-against-hammerdin discussion has somehow been proven by you to be false? :rolleyes:

[dkay]

what speedlander said. then what does it mean when blobs or mcm 10-1 a level 98 decked out hdin with thier level 91 barbs?

and what about when my level 84 fury druid 3-0ed a decked out hdin? :/

[blobswannabe]

what speedlander said. then what does it mean when blobs or mcm 10-1 a level 98 decked out hdin with thier level 91 barbs?

and what about when my level 84 fury druid 3-0ed a decked out hdin? :/

any hammerdin who loses to fury druids isn't worth mentioning, espeically a decked out one lol.

[KaythonXE]

So any bvc want to duel? USEast NL message me. *Kokoro(sj)

[dkay]

any hammerdin who loses to fury druids isn't worth mentioning, espeically a decked out one lol.

its true though. i just bite em. weapon switch. then auto fury around. ^^ of course he wasnt the BEST dueler. but i was merely trying to prove a point.

Edit: duel luis.

[Fart]

we already told u to whisp luis and till that time stop saying crap O_o

They dont? Morotsjos, MCM, luis, blobs... Theyre the best and youre taking pride after killing random pubbarb AND judging all bvcs after killing only one thats probably like 2-3 weeks old or so lolz, ur sad o.O

I've beaten MCM's barb 2/3 sets I've dueled him in with my hammerdin. He's pretty much the only barb that can do anything in a real match vs me. I was even consistently beating his little friend "Pet" without using damage reduction gear.

[blobswannabe]

I've beaten MCM's barb 2/3 sets I've dueled him in with my hammerdin. He's pretty much the only barb that can do anything in a real match vs me. I was even consistently beating his little friend "Pet" without using damage reduction gear.

notice how people like him are always from ladder or us.east so they can talk big while dodging me. what a convinient excuse.

[stoutewolf]

any hammerdin who loses to fury druids isn't worth mentioning, espeically a decked out one lol.
watch it my friend, a well played fury druid will put up a really good fight and i don't say this because i like druids so much. When a druid has 1 life he gets out of his wolf form, when he reshifts quicky he can get hit by another hammer etc etc. I have duelled many hammerdins, and there were very very few who were able to beat me. Some guys even said i was using some sort of hack(1 even said godmode:shocked: )

p.s. i really like to duell good hammerdins, if there are any of the @ this forum plz tell me the names or whisper me at *mfbiatch eur/nl:grin:

[KaythonXE]

I dueled a fury/rabies mix, this was right after about twenty baal runs I hosted, so I still had antidotes in my belt. And, I'd tele ontop of him. hammer him twice, then he'd bite me and run and I'd drink an antidote before my life was damaged much. And the process happened over and over until he was at about one life, and he kept doing stoutewolf's little thing until I flashed holy freeze. :D

[Ce Olba]

I dueled a fury/rabies mix, this was right after about twenty baal runs I hosted, so I still had antidotes in my belt. And, I'd tele ontop of him. hammer him twice, then he'd bite me and run and I'd drink an antidote before my life was damaged much. And the process happened over and over until he was at about one life, and he kept doing stoutewolf's little thing until I flashed holy freeze. :D

Stopping rabies with Antidotes= bad player
Making rabies do small dmg with antidote prebuff and PLR= good player

[SicHalo]

lol i cant believe this is still going on, come on u beat one random BvC and still making claims??

As far as im concerned it pretty much a 50/50 duel.

And rabies fury can kill a Hammerdin the only chance of negating the poision is using antidotes while u duel without this the hammerdin will lose.

[stoutewolf]

I dueled a fury/rabies mix, this was right after about twenty baal runs I hosted, so I still had antidotes in my belt. And, I'd tele ontop of him. hammer him twice, then he'd bite me and run and I'd drink an antidote before my life was damaged much. And the process happened over and over until he was at about one life, and he kept doing stoutewolf's little thing until I flashed holy freeze. :D
funny thing is, with 2 raven frosts on (fury/rabies setup has 1 ring slot free, other has to be ravenfrost) the holy freeze wont kill him:laugh:

btw, what was the name of this druid?

[Speederländer]

I dueled a fury/rabies mix, this was right after about twenty baal runs I hosted, so I still had antidotes in my belt. And, I'd tele ontop of him. hammer him twice, then he'd bite me and run and I'd drink an antidote before my life was damaged much. And the process happened over and over until he was at about one life, and he kept doing stoutewolf's little thing until I flashed holy freeze. :D

Meh, why not drink some life pots while your at it? Is this how you owned that BvC? :rolleyes:

[Speederländer]

Stopping rabies with Antidotes= bad player
Making rabies do small dmg with antidote prebuff and PLR= good player

No. The only accepted pot in general tourney-type dueling is mana. That's it. Pre-buffing with antidotes and thawing is cheesy and demonstrates lack of over-all skill. If you are in a random pub and want to pot, whatever. But is absolutely positively does NOT equate to you being a "good player".

[Uncle_Mike]

nvm :{

Mike

[SicHalo]

No. The only accepted pot in general tourney-type dueling is mana. That's it. Pre-buffing with antidotes and thawing is cheesy and demonstrates lack of over-all skill. If you are in a random pub and want to pot, whatever. But is absolutely positively does NOT equate to you being a "good player".


Still though there is nothing u can do about it as it is undetectable if u prebuff on antidotes or thawing pots/

[Ce Olba]

No. The only accepted pot in general tourney-type dueling is mana. That's it. Pre-buffing with antidotes and thawing is cheesy and demonstrates lack of over-all skill. If you are in a random pub and want to pot, whatever. But is absolutely positively does NOT equate to you being a "good player".

Well, that's why I mentioned PLR and additional poison resistances. Personally I do not see what the hell is BM in having 85 psn resi versus a 40k psn attack?

[KaythonXE]

What's the difference between people slapping on absorb and extra res items(nozo, hotspurs, coa for druids) :O Sound familiar? YEAH. It's BvC strategies. Wow. Cry just because rabies = nothing. You could have the most expensive rabies gear ever, and bam an antidote that costs a measly 30 gold stops your godly character.

[Ce Olba]

What's the difference between people slapping on absorb and extra res items(nozo, hotspurs, coa for druids) :O Sound familiar? YEAH. It's BvC strategies. Wow. Cry just because rabies = nothing.

Coa=damage reduced, Hotspurs=damage reduced, nokozan=damage reduced, antidote when getting poisoned= 0% dmg taken=immortality to poison.

You could have the most expensive rabies gear ever, and bam an antidote that costs a measly 30 gold stops your godly character.

Yea and that is possible for every goddamin' PvM MF Hammerdin. Do something that a PvP Hammerdin does, a.k.a. beat the druid with desynch and invis hammers. Cannot do? Then go back to PK'ing Mephisto.

[Speederländer]

Well, that's why I mentioned PLR and additional poison resistances. Personally I do not see what the hell is BM in having 85 psn resi versus a 40k psn attack?

Who is talking about "BM"? Not me. I'm talking about how league or ladder rules typically operate. And they almost universally say that the only pot allowed is mana. If you want to dig up the extra res with equipment, and it's within the rules, then go crazy. But having to get your res by potting merely demonstrates a weakness. Further, if you carry antidotes in your belt, you can turn off on-going poison damage while in a duel with antidotes. You might as well have hit a life pot. In a rule-based environment you would be at a disadvantage because you would be deprived of your pots.

[Speederländer]

Cry just because rabies = nothing. You could have the most expensive rabies gear ever, and bam an antidote that costs a measly 30 gold stops your godly character.
And BAM! a rejuv I picked up from the quill rat stops your godly character. :rolleyes:

[Ce Olba]

Who is talking about "BM"? Not me. I'm talking about how league or ladder rules typically operate. And they almost universally say that the only pot allowed is mana. If you want to dig up the extra res with equipment, and it's within the rules, then go crazy. But having to get your res by potting merely demonstrates a weakness. Further, if you carry antidotes in your belt, you can turn off on-going poison damage while in a duel with antidotes. You might as well have hit a life pot. In a rule-based environment you would be at a disadvantage because you would be deprived of your pots.

Well, of course I could take Death's gloves or a Carrion Wind for that matter. But cannot be bothered with it since it's only 15 resistance. Of course versus Novamancer's I will take my 65% all res Kiras, but not versus a Rabies druid or a WWsin.

[Speederländer]

Well, of course I could take Death's gloves or a Carrion Wind for that matter. But cannot be bothered with it since it's only 15 resistance. Of course versus Novamancer's I will take my 65% all res Kiras, but not versus a Rabies druid or a WWsin.

Carrion wind just gives stacked res. Against people lowering your res that is useful, but for example, against a ww-sin (for example) or people using psn damage scs, it's only going to get you to the expected typical max of 75. And as for death's gloves, I'll bet that 1 in 500 people bothers to keep a pair on their dueler. Most people have their inventories chocked full of stuff they consider more needed (like elemental absorb and res stack). I can only recall one person in recent memory that tried to use them against me and he made me wait while he got them off a mule. :rolleyes:

[Ce Olba]

Carrion wind just gives stacked res. Against people lowering your res that is useful, but for example, against a ww-sin (for example) or people using psn damage scs, it's only going to get you to the expected typical max of 75. And as for death's gloves, I'll bet that 1 in 500 people bothers to keep a pair on their dueler. Most people have their inventories chocked full of stuff they consider more needed (like elemental absorb and res stack). I can only recall one person in recent memory that tried to use them against me and he made me wait while he got them off a mule. :rolleyes:

Well, I plan to either get a Iratha's amulet or Death's gloves for this purpose, or I could even get both, total 150% PLR dunno about the resi.

[morotsjos]

Who is talking about "BM"? Not me. I'm talking about how league or ladder rules typically operate. And they almost universally say that the only pot allowed is mana. If you want to dig up the extra res with equipment, and it's within the rules, then go crazy. But having to get your res by potting merely demonstrates a weakness. Further, if you carry antidotes in your belt, you can turn off on-going poison damage while in a duel with antidotes. You might as well have hit a life pot. In a rule-based environment you would be at a disadvantage because you would be deprived of your pots.
you are bm.

tourney duelers have 2-3 mules filled with proper gear vs everything. who cares?

anyone can mule gul andys visage and laugh at poison builds. or they could choose to skip the hassle and leave poison res at 85 and get 20% less stack. i know what i would want if i were the novanec/plaguezon/rabiesdruid/wwsin...

[morotsjos]

Hammerdin>BvC
I beat a souped up BvC that used for and widowmaker, and had skill, 5-3. If you don't believe me, ask RetroStar. He witnessed it, and I'm sure he'd be more than happy to agree the BvC was quite talented. So all your WidowMaker>Hammerdin stuff can just go to the dumpster. :)

AND the BvC was 11 levels higher than me. Barb: 91, Hammerdin:80.
only garbage barbs lose to level 80 hammerdins.

[KaythonXE]

Considering the typical person can only take 2-3 hits from a hammer, barbs 6-7 and a juvie is 40% health and I cast hammers fast, have fun pressing the 1 key. In fact, have fun finding your little purple potions. I'm not healing, I'm stopping damage.

[Speederländer]

Considering the typical person can only take 2-3 hits from a hammer, barbs 6-7 and a juvie is 40% health and I cast hammers fast, have fun pressing the 1 key. In fact, have fun finding your little purple potions. I'm not healing, I'm stopping damage.
:rolleyes: The mention of the quill rat was for comic effect. The point, which you missed, was that you can just rejuv.

[SicHalo]

hmm im also thinking of carring these gloves in my stash as well :wink3:

lol what about full rejuv? :rolleyes:

but still the person stacking on antidote pots (prebuff) is not as bad as someone using psn length reduction gear and obviously poision length reduction gear is even more legitimate.

[Speederländer]

anyone can mule gul andys visage and laugh at poison builds.
A person has pulled out a GUL'd visage against me less often than they have mass cold stack for blizz sorcs, i.e. rarely (actually, no one has. :wink3: ) Yes, someone can theoretically have every possible item for every possible match-up ever. But so what? Then we all ought to never play sorcs, trappers, any poison build, FoH, jav, etc. If all you will do in any match-up is ask the person to wait while you retrieve the proper equipment off a couple different mules to nullify them it's pretty pointless. We can all just play the same few builds that have magic and/or physical damage as their main damage dealers.

[morotsjos]

A person has pulled out a GUL'd visage against me less often than they have mass could stack for blizz sorcs, i.e. rarely (actually, no one has. :wink3: ) Yes, someone can theoretically have every possible item for every possible match-up ever. But so what? Then we all ought to never play sorcs, trappers, any poison build, FoH, jav, etc. If all you will do in any match-up is ask the person to wait while you retrieve the proper equipment off a couple different mules to nullify them it's pretty pointless. We can all just play the same few builds that have magic and/or physical damage as their main damage dealers.
of course, but that's what tourney duelers do. they seem to have infinite time and patience at their disposal... i actually had gul andys in stash for a while btw ^^

[Speederländer]

of course, but that's what tourney duelers do. they seem to have infinite time and patience at their disposal... i actually had gul andys in stash for a while btw ^^
Yeah and most tourney's have strict rules on max res and the like, just like they do on over-absorb. Now, those tourney duelers will still have the stuff available for random 1v1's and pubs and no-rule matches, but in general most rules-based groups don't allow total nullification of another dueler's attack. It just kills the fun and leaves the group with only a few viable builds.

[blobswannabe]

watch it my friend, a well played fury druid will put up a really good fight and i don't say this because i like druids so much. When a druid has 1 life he gets out of his wolf form, when he reshifts quicky he can get hit by another hammer etc etc. I have duelled many hammerdins, and there were very very few who were able to beat me. Some guys even said i was using some sort of hack(1 even said godmode:shocked: )

p.s. i really like to duell good hammerdins, if there are any of the @ this forum plz tell me the names or whisper me at *mfbiatch eur/nl:grin:

i doubt it. Auro flashing or charge/smite/zeal can easily take care of remorphing. All you need is to get some quick little hits when the druid is down to 1 life. Not to mention good desynch hammer can easily kill you before u have the time to remorph.

wolves/bears can only complete with people only if you have exponentially more expensive gear and or if they have absolutely no idea how to duel. Fury/rabie druid was still one of the least effective builds even under clan honor rules in which teleport,etc weren't allowed basically all the rules were made to benefit builds such as wolves. Not to mention there was the synergy bug which allowed u to easily max out both fury and rabies.

[Speederländer]

i doubt it. Auro flashing or charge/smite/zeal can easily take care of remorphing. All you need is to get some quick little hits when the druid is down to 1 life. Not to mention good desynch hammer can easily kill you before u have the time to remorph.

wolves/bears can only complete with people only if you have exponentially more expensive gear and or if they have absolutely no idea how to duel. Fury/rabie druid was still one of the least effective builds even under clan honor rules in which teleport,etc weren't allowed basically all the rules were made to benefit builds such as wolves. Not to mention there was the synergy bug which allowed u to easily max out both fury and rabies.
Yeah, pretty much.

[morotsjos]

Yeah and most tourney's have strict rules on max res and the like, just like they do on over-absorb. Now, those tourney duelers will still have the stuff available for random 1v1's and pubs and no-rule matches, but in general most rules-based groups don't allow total nullification of another dueler's attack. It just kills the fun and leaves the group with only a few viable builds.
since when did +10% max poison res nullify anything?

[Speederländer]

since when did +10% max poison res nullify anything?
I never said it did. 10% doesn't bother me in a league setting at all.

Though I will say that getting it from pots tends allow people to punch res without sacrificing on equipment. If some person is going to grab 10% max res, I want to see them eat a socket or two or switch out an ammy or whatever, unless of course it's a pub and then I don't care. I've never played in a league that allowed antidotes. You can't police them effectively.

[aznbboi16]

Actually, IIRC, Fury/Rabies was one of the most effective builds in Clan-Honor. I remember seeing many complaints in games from characters that would be considered high tier outside of CH. The only time that fury/rabies was not effective was if there was a hammerdin/zon combo or if they stacked poison res and plr. One on one, they were quite effective against other melee too, unless the opponent stacked resists. I could beat every barb I knew in CH consistently, unless they stacked resists/plr.

I recall having a couple complete wipeouts of a team that consisted of a barb, trapper and something else with my fury/rabies. That isn't to say I did it all on my own, but with good support, fury/rabies could be insanely effective in a no-teleport, staggered fr/w league. We also had an all barb vs all f/r game in which the f/r wolves came out on top. I would post some screenies, but I don't have them anymore. Usually a team that had a fury/rabies wolf would do better than one without.

Shifters in general suck in pubs though. I used my barb for that.

[morotsjos]

I never said it did. 10% doesn't bother me in a league setting at all.

Though I will say that getting it from pots tends allow people to punch res without sacrificing on equipment. If some person is going to grab 10% max res, I want to see them eat a socket or two or switch out an ammy or whatever, unless of course it's a pub and then I don't care. I've never played in a league that allowed antidotes. You can't police them effectively.
of course you have a point, although i still think that cutting damage by another 33% by using gul andys is worse for the poison-user despite a small sacrifice in gear. antidotes are balanced and does not negate anything. i think of it as a stash-saver.

[Speederländer]

of course you have a point, although i still think that cutting damage by another 33% by using gul andys is worse for the poison-user despite a small sacrifice in gear. antidotes are balanced and does not negate anything. i think of it as a stash-saver.

Most groups I have seen or participated in limited max res boost to 10%. A GUL andy's will give you 15%. Personally, as a ww-sin, I would rather my opponent wear the andy. That implies some serious sacrifice in other areas and I still have physical, magic, and OW damage.

[Speederländer]

Actually, IIRC, Fury/Rabies was one of the most effective builds in Clan-Honor...........I could beat every barb I knew in CH consistently, unless they stacked resists/plr.

Clan Honor bled talent massively because their rules quickly became ridiculous. It's hard to know what kind of quality you were up against. For the short period between when they were created and the end of 1.09 they were a good place to duel...for a while. But that was a short period. CH stands as a testament to how too many rules will kill any dueling group.

[Rancors]

In pvp nowaday, without enigma u cant do much...

[the gopher]

Yes and no, some characters can be quite powerful without enigma. I wish all non-class rw's like cta and enigma would just all disappear.

[Speederländer]

Yes and no, some characters can be quite powerful without enigma. I wish all non-class rw's like cta and enigma would just all disappear.
Why? It's not like the class skills were sacrosanct or balanced before 1.10. Without CTA the synergy enhanced skills would one-hit kill everyone but barbs, and barbs are already arguably the most powerful characters in the game when built and played well.

[Fart]

notice how people like him are always from ladder or us.east so they can talk big while dodging me. what a convinient excuse.

I dueled MCM on east ladder, how did you know? <---sarcasm

You can't read or spell, what can you do?

[mainaman]

I dueled MCM on east ladder, how did you know? <---sarcasm

You can't read or spell, what can you do?
MCM plays west nl (if he is still active i dont know, i play east)

[aznbboi16]

Clan Honor bled talent massively because their rules quickly became ridiculous. It's hard to know what kind of quality you were up against. For the short period between when they were created and the end of 1.09 they were a good place to duel...for a while. But that was a short period. CH stands as a testament to how too many rules will kill any dueling group.
I was most active for the year before they basically died out. I was up against the likes of Garbad, frisky, and a few others whom I don't recall exactly as far as barbs go. There were a bunch of other people from GI as well. Their gear was quite high end and they were decent players at the very worst.

I realize that their rules were very biased, which is why I stated that shifters sucked for generally anything else, but saying that fury/rabies was even ineffective in CH was just totally untrue when I was dueling. In fact, they were probably one of the dominant classes and were fairly popular in my time (most of 1.10). Then WoW, GW and 1.11 hit and that was the end of that, not really the rules.

[blobswannabe]

I was most active for the year before they basically died out. I was up against the likes of Garbad, frisky, and a few others whom I don't recall exactly as far as barbs go. There were a bunch of other people from GI as well. Their gear was quite high end and they were decent players at the very worst.

I realize that their rules were very biased, which is why I stated that shifters sucked for generally anything else, but saying that fury/rabies was even ineffective in CH was just totally untrue when I was dueling. In fact, they were probably one of the dominant classes and were fairly popular in my time (most of 1.10). Then WoW, GW and 1.11 hit and that was the end of that, not really the rules.

Garbad came up with all the ridiculous rules to help himself win although he still couldn't. The only way he was able to beat my walking blizz sorc with no res stack who died in 1 foh was to completely negate my blizz damage with cold res auro. Basically he couldn't even kill a walking blizz sorc who he can easily 1 hit with his 9k damage foher wihtout being completely immune to me. ANd his zon lost to my walking fb sorc with lideless shield and 30 frw. All i can say is ch was lol. CH died because of the ridiculous rules garbad made up to help himself event he mods were fed up with him.

[Speederländer]

I was most active for the year before they basically died out. I was up against the likes of Garbad, frisky, and a few others whom I don't recall exactly as far as barbs go. There were a bunch of other people from GI as well. Their gear was quite high end and they were decent players at the very worst.


I played CH from its start and GI before that as well. And the rules are what killed it. It was all but dead once 1.10 was out, not 1.11, everyone could teleport, and CH still banned it (among other things). The good people you mentioned actually ran the group, so yes, they likely hung out until the bitter end.

[Ce Olba]

Now how the hell do Full rejuvs, rules and CH have anything to do with BvC vs Hammerdin?

[Speederländer]

Now how the hell do Full rejuvs, rules and CH have anything to do with BvC vs Hammerdin?
Threads morph. Roll with it.

[Ce Olba]

Threads morph. Roll with it.

Only "roll"? Why not "Rock 'N' Roll" ? That's way more realistic and it sounds cooler. :smiley:

[KaythonXE]

My hammerdin just took out an amazingly mad geared BvC. He used the following gear:
40/390 Griefz/P BeastZ/P DoomZ/415 ebotdz
P up'd arreats/Valk helm/P 31 dr coa
P up'd gores
P dracs/P rends

I'm not sure on the rest, he didn't show me, he showed me 37 32020s. When he bo'd me my life went up 2k(from my normal bo with cta).

He claimed 7.9k life, it took me five hits to kill him so I assumed he wasn't lying. Name was GG_Uninstall

[dkay]

i dont think you understand what were trying to point out: THE GEAR ANY ONE HAS DOENST MATTER. its the way people play barbs. ive seen absolutely perfect barbs too and raped them with my ghetto mage back in the days. ive even beaten some with my crappy 1.2k life/5k ga zon that doesnt even have 3//20/20s. 99% of barb users dont know waht they're doing. you just ran into one of them.

[dkay]

i just beat a decked out bvc using near pefect gear with my zon. i also beat a eth bugged exile using, 9 p combat with 40+ life using smiter and a nec using wizgloves in a pub game just now.


my zon > bvc + smiter + nec.

[disc]

My hammerdin just took out an amazingly mad geared BvC. He used the following gear:
40/390 Griefz/P BeastZ/P DoomZ/415 ebotdz
P up'd arreats/Valk helm/P 31 dr coa
P up'd gores
P dracs/P rends

just goes to show you dueled a right Numpty, if he didnt know up areats def or coa dmg reduction is USELESS vs hammerdins then your thread proves your opponent is an idiot.
congtratz on owning some Numpty Barbs.

[stoutewolf]

My hammerdin just took out an amazingly mad geared BvC. He used the following gear:
40/390 Griefz/P BeastZ/P DoomZ/415 ebotdz
P up'd arreats/Valk helm/P 31 dr coa
P up'd gores
P dracs/P rends

I'm not sure on the rest, he didn't show me, he showed me 37 32020s. When he bo'd me my life went up 2k(from my normal bo with cta).

He claimed 7.9k life, it took me five hits to kill him so I assumed he wasn't lying. Name was GG_Uninstall
ny barb with a widowmaker will own your hammerdin when they rent retarded. You should live with it:wink3: .

[KaythonXE]

He wasn't using either. I was just mentioning what he showed me, as that was his likely switch. He was using valk during the duel with me. He tried Grief/doom, grief/beast, and beast/doom. He failed in all attempts. Widowmaker is alright. Not very effective because there is something called a corner. I tele. You try to position yourself. Waste all the time you want while I cleanse.

[Thoridian]

Gear doesnt matter that much, its skill that matters

[morotsjos]

He wasn't using either. I was just mentioning what he showed me, as that was his likely switch. He was using valk during the duel with me. He tried Grief/doom, grief/beast, and beast/doom. He failed in all attempts. Widowmaker is alright. Not very effective because there is something called a corner. I tele. You try to position yourself. Waste all the time you want while I cleanse.
so to "beat" a barb you admit that the only thing you can do is to teleport far far away and hide in corner healing, teleporting away as soon as he gets near. you win when he leaves game cause you're scared of dueling? kinda like the garbage sorcs who keep minimap distance the whole "duel". good job. i adore you.

[jake007]

does cleanse work on open wound?

[Rancors]

so to "beat" a barb you admit that the only thing you can do is to teleport far far away and hide in corner healing, teleporting away as soon as he gets near. you win when he leaves game cause you're scared of dueling? kinda like the garbage sorcs who keep minimap distance the whole "duel". good job. i adore you.

hey, that's a way i play my necro all the time. I tele and keep minimap distance and spawn bone spirit to get ibs goging. Since most people will chase me, they die. People who dont chase me just leave the game.

That's how mess up public dueling is, basically anything goes. Even some fools using pot still die to skilled players.

[blobswannabe]

hey, that's a way i play my necro all the time. I tele and keep minimap distance and spawn bone spirit to get ibs goging. Since most people will chase me, they die. People who dont chase me just leave the game.

That's how mess up public dueling is, basically anything goes. Even some fools using pot still die to skilled players.

if that's all you do with nec than you won't beat anyone semi-decent.

[Bordillo]

so to "beat" a barb you admit that the only thing you can do is to teleport far far away and hide in corner healing, teleporting away as soon as he gets near. you win when he leaves game cause you're scared of dueling? kinda like the garbage sorcs who keep minimap distance the whole "duel". good job. i adore you.
So you admit the only way for a barb to win is to use a bow and exploit open wounds, I hardly find that an argument

[McCOOL]

hammerdin > bvc on a overall scale.

Your all telling random posters to duel the top bvcs - whisp mcm whisp luis, whisp moro etc etc.

What about the top hdins? I heard friggenglitch slays friggensaget regularly?

[atenza]

usually a hammerdin beats a barb. I'd say 97% of the time barbs will get destroyed by a hammerdin. But it is not because BvC's are weaker, its because people don't know how to use them. Or maybe its because so many people like to use hammerdin that a lot more people have become more talented with that particular class.

I know ladder is generally regarded as "nubby" but there are still plenty of top pk'ers on west ladder. From my own experience it is extremely dependant on how the barb and hammerdin is played. The hammerdin imo depends much more on luck to win the duel.
Here is how I see most duels going:
Hammerdin charges the barb or tele's watever, finds out he can't hit the barb without getting smacked by barb's ww. Runs around desynching hoping for stray hammer, gets tagged by a guided arrow + ow and poison. Loses a lil bit of life, gets offensive again gets tagged again by ww.
Whole duel will continue like this unless the hammerdin gets smart. Charge/desynch/ teleport in front of area where barb is running/tele and hope the hammer hits.

PERFECTLY played a bvc can destroy a hammerdin without getting touched, but its often easy for the hammerdin to win because he can make many mistakes while a barb can't because of high hammer damage.

IMO a hammerdin can only beat a barb if he is either much better equiped or if he has significantly more skill. . .

Any hammers wanna test it out I got a new bvc up on uswest scl. PM ME

p.s. i've met this one din who claimed he had maxed prayer and would tele away to cleanse himself whenever i hit him. Maybe this way its possible to beat a barb and still retain full life??

[morotsjos]

So you admit the only way for a barb to win is to use a bow and exploit open wounds, I hardly find that an argument
lies. please provide link to where i've said that.
if you knew anything you wouldn't post garbage like that. open wounds can hardly be considered an "exploit" since it does pathetic damage with ranged weapons and only triggers 35% of the time an arrow actually hits the pally.
widowmaker is used for one thing only; to force ****ty defensive hammerdins on the offense and prohibit a stalemate since they cant ignore the pitiful damage in the long run. get it?

widow is rarely used or even useful (except giving a hint of where a desynching pally might be) vs really good hammerdins since they all play 100% offensive. ask luis how often he uses widow lol.

the fact that some random garbage hammernewbs like KaythonXE start playing even more defensive with 100% run+heal cause they are too incompetent to play properly has nothing to do with hammer vs barb and is nothing but an insult to hammerdins who actually know how to play.

[McCOOL]

usually a hammerdin beats a barb. I'd say 97% of the time barbs will get destroyed by a hammerdin. But it is not because BvC's are weaker, its because people don't know how to use them. Or maybe its because so many people like to use hammerdin that a lot more people have become more talented with that particular class.

I know ladder is generally regarded as "nubby" but there are still plenty of top pk'ers on west ladder. From my own experience it is extremely dependant on how the barb and hammerdin is played. The hammerdin imo depends much more on luck to win the duel.
Here is how I see most duels going:
Hammerdin charges the barb or tele's watever, finds out he can't hit the barb without getting smacked by barb's ww. Runs around desynching hoping for stray hammer, gets tagged by a guided arrow + ow and poison. Loses a lil bit of life, gets offensive again gets tagged again by ww.
Whole duel will continue like this unless the hammerdin gets smart. Charge/desynch/ teleport in front of area where barb is running/tele and hope the hammer hits.

PERFECTLY played a bvc can destroy a hammerdin without getting touched, but its often easy for the hammerdin to win because he can make many mistakes while a barb can't because of high hammer damage.

IMO a hammerdin can only beat a barb if he is either much better equiped or if he has significantly more skill. . .

Any hammers wanna test it out I got a new bvc up on uswest scl. PM ME

p.s. i've met this one din who claimed he had maxed prayer and would tele away to cleanse himself whenever i hit him. Maybe this way its possible to beat a barb and still retain full life??


Ill test u out, im west scl too.

/w *s.e.xxx

[luis19]

Jim (FriggenGlitch) is 1 of the 2 hdins that have beaten me within the last year. there are only a handful of hdins on east in the past 3 years that have beaten my barb gm; only 2 have beaten me more than i have beaten them.

I stopped using my barb nowdays. I really only get on d2 if i get a new char or my clan needs my barb for 4on4 clan duels.

The only way to beat me gm on an hdin is by being offensive. If you are mass defensive, you will lose; of course if you run away after every hit and turn on medi with max prayer (or w/o max prayer and just take all day) I wont even bother dueling you because sitting with medi to regn life is usually considered bm amongst top east duelers.

If an hdin plays defensive, they are basically praying that you run into their random hammers; aka make a mistake. This is why offensive hdins are much better.

If you rely on mainly/soley tele; your hdin has 0 chance.

Widowmaker is useful because most hdins blow and will play defensive. Widowmaker give them a simple choice: Attack me or you get bowpk'd.
Also even if the hdin is good it can be useful after you have gotten them low since its hard to hit a good hdin in the first place. If they are low you have a much higher chance of killing them if you also use bow, since if you make a mistake you can die easily.

Someone pointed out that I dont use widowmaker often vs good hdins. This isnt because its not effective; but because its more fun to tele ww where you think they are going. After like 4 years on a barb, it gets boring if things are too easy.

If you really wanna kill an hdin though, dont use a barb. Most people cant reproduce the same results as I do; even with the same gear and the same strategy. Also most hdins wont gm you, in which case it becomes a stupid duel (town and juv all day). Use a necro or a windy if you want an hdin killer. V/t can get the job done too if you play it right (you wont be the best hdins but most hdins will be cake).

[morotsjos]

My hammerdin just took out an amazingly mad geared BvC. He used the following gear:
40/390 Griefz/P BeastZ/P DoomZ/415 ebotdz
P up'd arreats/Valk helm/P 31 dr coa
P up'd gores
P dracs/P rends

I'm not sure on the rest, he didn't show me, he showed me 37 32020s. When he bo'd me my life went up 2k(from my normal bo with cta).

He claimed 7.9k life, it took me five hits to kill him so I assumed he wasn't lying. Name was GG_Uninstall
oh yeah a month ago my barb took out an amazingly mad anti-barb geared hammerdin.
level 99
5k life
21k def
125% fcr
50% dr
maxblock
i could barely hit him with ww and did pathetic damage.
he showed me 2x 45 life pala combats, one 44 lifer and a bunch of 20life/30 def scs.

name was rEtarDin. played by my friend mac who is one of the best d2-players i've ever seen. 3-2 in my favor. want me to draw conclusions? yawn.

[atenza]

[QUOTE=luis19]Jim (FriggenGlitch) is 1 of the 2 hdins that have beaten me within the last year. there are only a handful of hdins on east in the past 3 years that have beaten my barb gm; only 2 have beaten me more than i have beaten them.
[QUOTE]

Hey.. just curious but what strategy/setup is used by Jim to beat you?? Short WW + long tele makes you a much smaller target then running or long random ww'ing

[nohomo]

lmfao CH was a joke, garbad would just prebuff for 20 minutes and bore everyone to death.

real talent was in gimmeitam.

smh

[SicHalo]

So you admit the only way for a barb to win is to use a bow and exploit open wounds, I hardly find that an argument

LOL BS i was in a stage where i had no widow and i still was able to pull wins off.

And using cleanse is dishonnest cuz cleanse not only reduces curse lenght poision lenght but it also heals, fast enought to make a differeance if ur teleing away from the target.

And with Bow as stated it can force ur nt to go on the offensive vs u as when ur being chipped away by a bow first thing that comes as a newbie instinct is to try and rush at the barb very few duelers with hammer know how to counter this and still keep calm.

And defensive game where u can only see the char from the mini map is a waste of time u pull that kida dueling style with me, i.e minmap distance and rellying on random hammers to hit, i will simply not bother and move on to someone else.

[KaythonXE]

Actually. When the barb pulled out his widow maker I'd tele into the corner where the X things gave me cover from the arrows. With cleansing on. And I'd tele to each side until the Barb would get close enough for me to tele on top of him. I'd hit him with a hammer, and normally his ww would hit but be blocked. It's not that I'm playing defensive, but, if the barb equips a fort why NOT adhere to his weakness of not being able to come after me? If he has to take off his enigma to beat me he can have fun catching me. Then crying when I cleanse. How is cleanse BM? It's a skill, written into the game. When I duel widow barbs then just stand there and wait for me to tele onto them, and if I don't after about ten seconds out comes the widow. So the only way I saw I could get him on the offensive was using cleansing. And, 90% of the barbarians I face use mana pots. I don't, in 1v1s.

Barbarian: Not fair, you hide you runner.
Paladin: Why not chase me with enigma.
Barbarian: I put fort on to own you.
Paladin: Have fun owning me when you can't 'catch' me.

When the barbarian get's frustrated he'll make a mistake and then I'll kill him. Always works like this. No one has patience.

[Jerion]

By that logic, using potions is clearly gm.

If a hdin did that to me, I'd just walk away from that corner. No sense in wasting time. If you just play massive defensive, then that's just your choice, however lame it is.

[KaythonXE]

I consider a potion healing 500 life in ~ 12 or so seconds, bm. Considering, Cleansing is healing 15 life every two or three seconds. If a BvC puts on a fort and uses widow on me all I'll do is do this.

[Bordillo]

LOL BS i was in a stage where i had no widow and i still was able to pull wins off.

And using cleanse is dishonnest cuz cleanse not only reduces curse lenght poision lenght but it also heals, fast enought to make a differeance if ur teleing away from the target.

And with Bow as stated it can force ur nt to go on the offensive vs u as when ur being chipped away by a bow first thing that comes as a newbie instinct is to try and rush at the barb very few duelers with hammer know how to counter this and still keep calm.

And defensive game where u can only see the char from the mini map is a waste of time u pull that kida dueling style with me, i.e minmap distance and rellying on random hammers to hit, i will simply not bother and move on to someone else.

Your argument is complete bull****, so youre saying that hammerdins have to play offensive or they are bm. I just dissagree, but I do think that a barb that stands and shoots arrows at a defensive opponent is effective but then dont ***** about clensing. Just because the hdin is playing defensively doesnt make him bm and more importantly just because he beats a barb doesnt make whatever tactic he used bm

[Ce Olba]

I consider a potion healing 500 life in ~ 12 or so seconds, bm. Considering, Cleansing is healing 15 life every two or three seconds. If a BvC puts on a fort and uses widow on me all I'll do is do this.

And by saying that you clearly are also saying that you cannot beat Fortitude+Widow barbs, as you need to hide behind corners and heal without even trying to damage the barb.

Thus BvC>Your Hammerdin.

[KaythonXE]

Thanks Bordillo. I love to watch how everyone says that I'm playing defensive(sitting in a corner while they shoot arrows) is bad mannered? How is it bad mannered? Because I stop the arrows from shooting me? Or how about cleansing? What's wrong with cleansing, when half the barbs use dracs for OW and that life tap? Just a little extra 500 life per hit on me? Cry more because barbs get owned by me, I love when you complain.
I stand there and hammer, barb thinks to himself well **** I'm not gonna' ww into that. I'll just widow his ***. Woops, he just hid in a corner. Well I'll get position on him. Oh crap! He's healing with an aura. No. *types* BM BM BM. Back to duel. Well if I get a position close enough where my arrows hit... Tele Hammer?!?!? BM BM BM I'm dead. :/ That's the barb's thinking, right there. Then they spam you're a noob hdin. And I laugh. 'Cause if I'm the noob, who just got beat by one? :)

[Ce Olba]

Thanks Bordillo. I love to watch how everyone says that I'm playing defensive(sitting in a corner while they shoot arrows) is bad mannered? How is it bad mannered? Because I stop the arrows from shooting me? Or how about cleansing? What's wrong with cleansing, when half the barbs use dracs for OW and that life tap? Just a little extra 500 life per hit on me? Cry more because barbs get owned by me, I love when you complain.

You're the one who started it by saying that BvC's are over-rated due to you beating random BvC's with a Hammerdin. Try that with a sorc please. Or an ele druid. Oh, forgot, barb owns those easily.

I stand there and hammer, barb thinks to himself well **** I'm not gonna' ww into that. I'll just widow his ***. Woops, he just hid in a corner. Well I'll get position on him. Oh crap! He's healing with an aura. No. *types* BM BM BM. Back to duel. Well if I get a position close enough where my arrows hit... Tele Hammer?!?!? BM BM BM I'm dead. :/ That's the barb's thinking, right there. Then they spam you're a noob hdin. And I laugh. 'Cause if I'm the noob, who just got beat by one? :)

Nah, that's just the time when you type "zzzzzz cba dueling yaddayaddas who cannot even duel me". As you pointed out, with you camping behind walls, neither do any damage, so it's not a duel. A duel is where two people fight against each other, inflicting damage on each other. The one who stands after the other one falls, wins. It's called "chickening" when you camp behind walls/in houses and make pathetic excuses about you owning. Also, not a single barb is stupid enough not to realise that a hammerdin can teleport. This tells me that you've been dueling Travi Goldfind barbs.

Also, about your noob comments, that kind of a behaviour tells me that you've been dueling random pub yaddayaddas, since only yaddayaddas complain about getting beaten in 1v1. Also, getting beaten by a "noob" can also be a very lucky roll for the noob. Or you really think that skill and gear are the only factors in dueling? Skill, gear, connection, luck. Those are the main factors. Then there's also the person itself. If the person is already mad, sleepy or unconfident, he will suck. But when you have a person that's feeling good, confident and isn't sleepy, you will have a real "duel". BTW, I think you should join to the "MANAPOTS-ARE-BM-AND-HEALING-FROM-AURAS-ISNT"-club, whichs's president is Zaczku. Other members include Imperor_III. I think you could become a nice Vice President.

Also, by the way you talk about dueling barbarians, I can tell that your "5-3 versus a BvC" was something like
*tele to camp in corners with cleansing*
*spam "YADDAYADDA U SUXX BOON CANNOT KILL ME YADDA YADDA"*
*barb says "you bore me", goes to town*
*you say "ONWED LOFL GG KISS AKARA BOON!"*

that times five. Then the three were kills that the barb got when you decided to try beating him head on and got your *** handed, and you left after?

[atenza]

by your reasoning about "positioning," meteor sorcs would own. Sit in house, SPAM SPAM SPAM, teleport outside once in awhile for a nice fb and come back inside to sit.

GFG

your hammerdin wanna stack res and teleport into a meteor filled house and have the sorc just teleport out?? or if you have low res, tank your *** w/ fb?

I really can't see many builds taking on a tanker/meteor/fb sorc in a house who has fast reflexes. (ruling out ridculous absorb on top of 95% max fire res)

Basically the point it is.. get out of the house/corner/diaper and duel. Barbs do not "HIDE" they are always in line to be hit by a hammer, its just that their MOVEMENT skills allow them to dodge the hammer while also being able to do some damage to the hdin as well.

I am not saying the dins should have to be offensive, but if you play defensive you will get whittled down w/ the bow unless ofc you prayer and hide in corners. I see meditation as fine in duels, yadayada prayer etc. But Running the whole time until you get your life back?? You might as well fight someone who runs from you all the time, good luck hitting a cowardly teleporter who never stops to fight you. a lvl 24 pure energy, warmth, and fcr/mana regen items would stale mate you correct?

[Speederländer]

Thanks Bordillo. I love to watch how everyone says that I'm playing defensive(sitting in a corner while they shoot arrows) is bad mannered? How is it bad mannered? Because I stop the arrows from shooting me? Or how about cleansing? What's wrong with cleansing, when half the barbs use dracs for OW and that life tap? Just a little extra 500 life per hit on me? Cry more because barbs get owned by me, I love when you complain.
I stand there and hammer, barb thinks to himself well **** I'm not gonna' ww into that. I'll just widow his ***. Woops, he just hid in a corner. Well I'll get position on him. Oh crap! He's healing with an aura. No. *types* BM BM BM. Back to duel. Well if I get a position close enough where my arrows hit... Tele Hammer?!?!? BM BM BM I'm dead. :/ That's the barb's thinking, right there. Then they spam you're a noob hdin. And I laugh. 'Cause if I'm the noob, who just got beat by one? :)

Goddamn you talk a lot of **** for being someone who admits they win by healing.

[KaythonXE]

Please kid, I've won plenty of time without cleansing. How is it a duel if the barb just sits there waiting for me to tele hammer? It isn't.

[atenza]

:wave: I love how my post goes unignored, *hangs head in shame* check out page 8 if you dare

Anyhow, about kathyon saying, "how is it unfair if i stop a barb's arrows"

Sit in a house and a bowzon is DEFEATED. You're a skilled one. I bet you're the first to think of that strategy. :thumbsup:

And anyways, just a random thought, but you know that thing about how antidotes can't be detected?? Well in a priv duel game w/ a ref/mod, you could always ask the players to never hit akara and empty out their belt slots. Mod can just give players ONLY mana pots, and after every duel slip each one a full rejuv if they're hurt. Sound like a plan?? or unrealistic and annoying

Oh and on another side note, (i must have ADD), "how is it a duel if the barb is waiting for me to tele/hammer"
I just have to say, isn't that how every duel is? You're waiting for someone to get in range so you can hit them, no matter if you have a fb or if you ww. By that same logic anybody who ever stands still for a second isn't a dueler, e.g. anyone who doesn't play a very offensive char

Just because everytime you get close you get punished does not mean that its unfair, it means you have to learn how to get close w/o getting hit. not impossible mind you...

[KaythonXE]

Anything I do besides whipping out a grief and zealing or smiting the barb to death will be bm. And even then! It's bm. Because you got those BvC lovin' barbarian fans who cry when they lose to anything. So they say teleporting by a wall to stop ALWAYS HITTING, GUIDING MISSILES with high psn and ow specifically set to KILL me BM? Stfu and quit whining when you die.

[atenza]

Anything I do besides whipping out a grief and zealing or smiting the barb to death will be bm. And even then! It's bm. Because you got those BvC lovin' barbarian fans who cry when they lose to anything. So they say teleporting by a wall to stop ALWAYS HITTING, GUIDING MISSILES with high psn and ow specifically set to KILL me BM? Stfu and quit whining when you die.

I feel like an 8 year old kid in the middle of his parent's divorce.

Nobody can hear wat i'm saying. . .

READ MY POSTS DADDY KATHYON PLEASE

[KaythonXE]

Just because everytime you get close you get punished does not mean that its unfair, it means you have to learn how to get close w/o getting hit. not impossible mind you...

Quit putting WORDS in my mouth you snobbish little kid. I'm on right now? You got balls? *kokoro(sj) If you don't then stop posting please.

[atenza]

LoL at kathyon.

A) You've totally ignored all my points

B) You're only defense against my comments has been to duel me

C) You're not the brightest because i'm already scheduled to duel someone else on USWEST SCL!! Learn to read please(its in this same post), i'm not some snoobish little kid, I'm willing to duel as i'm getting ready to duel that sex.xx watever guy wen he gets on.

D) Not bragging cuz I know ladder doesn't have as many talented players as NL but I've killed every hammerdin I've come across on USwest Scl including LoH, WsG, Yermo, Etc etc so don't think you're all that please.

E) I have to say A and B are the only relevant points in this BvC hammerdin debate because C and D are totally unrefutable and are only directed at yours or mines character.

Props for getting this thread going with your attitude, i'm the 101th post and hopefully it ends here unless you got some type of argument now.

[morotsjos]

Anything I do besides whipping out a grief and zealing or smiting the barb to death will be bm. And even then! It's bm. Because you got those BvC lovin' barbarian fans who cry when they lose to anything. So they say teleporting by a wall to stop ALWAYS HITTING, GUIDING MISSILES with high psn and ow specifically set to KILL me BM? Stfu and quit whining when you die.
if you weren't a total ignorant you'd know that widow does pathetic damage. crying over slow arrows that have 25% chance to hit and only 35% chance to trigger open wounds (which is pitiful on ranged weapons) if they do hit is pretty ridiculous unless you're a weak 2k life ghettohammer.
i say again; any barb who loses to a level 80 crapdef TELEHAMMER is _nothing_. teleport close to any competent barb with that garbage char and you WILL die in 1-2 wws. you fail to realize this because you're just another talk-only ignorant incompetent loser without any deeper understanding of game mechanics nor high level dueling.

[Ce Olba]

Anything I do besides whipping out a grief and zealing or smiting the barb to death will be bm. And even then! It's bm.

You just think it's "bm" because the only thing your simple mind can think is to negate the ranged offense, thus making it a standing duel.

Because you got those BvC lovin' barbarian fans who cry when they lose to anything. So they say teleporting by a wall to stop ALWAYS HITTING, GUIDING MISSILES with high psn and ow specifically set to KILL me BM? Stfu and quit whining when you die.

ROFLMAO!!!! Have you seen blobswannabe, morotsjos, luis, or anyone else "whining" about losing to someone? No you haven't, since they don't do that kind of stuff, they accept it. Also, you have 75% block, and the OW is ~35%-45%, that makes the total chance to trigger ow to be 8.75-11.25%. That's a nice total of OW once in 11.4-8.8 arrows. Not a single good player needs to whine when they die, only the bad ones need to whine when someone realises that the bad player is actually really damn bad and has totally no knowledge of things.

As for your Grief smiting, that just cripples your paladin even more. Play offensively with desynch hammers and win some duels and realise what kind of a noob a dude who hides behind walls and needs to cry over ~40dmg arrows that have a 8% chance to cause 500 dmg over 8 seconds, has to be.

[Speederländer]

What's wrong with cleansing, when half the barbs use dracs for OW and that life tap?
So you think that tap triggers a lot on their ww?

[SicHalo]

Your argument is complete bull****, so youre saying that hammerdins have to play offensive or they are bm. I just dissagree, but I do think that a barb that stands and shoots arrows at a defensive opponent is effective but then dont ***** about clensing. Just because the hdin is playing defensively doesnt make him bm and more importantly just because he beats a barb doesnt make whatever tactic he used bm

I like how noobs like u jump to conclusions and start assumming things since when did i say defence is BM??

If u choose to quote me at least do it properly all i was saying mainly refering to the guy using nec that a duel where u can barely see the person on the minmap is ur idea of a duel that up to u.

And if ppl think using any type of aura that can heal hp is appropriate wot makes this different from someone toping health or rejuv pots?

AS I WILL SAY NOT ONCE WHEN I DUEL I EXPECT SOMEONE TO PLAY INTO MY HAND BUT I DONT EXPECT DUELS WHERE IM DOING NOTHING BUT RUNNING/ TELEING AFTER AN OPPONMENT THAT I CAN ONLY SEE ON A MINIMAP!

[Thoridian]

Kaython I feel sorry for you, thats it. Wish you played Europe...

[Speederländer]

Kaython I feel sorry for you, thats it. Wish you played Europe...
I wouldn't feel too sorry for him. He appears to be just another forum troll.

[Ce Olba]

I wouldn't feel too sorry for him. He appears to be just another forum troll.

I was kinda thinking about the same.

[KaythonXE]

You cannot play offensively with desync hammers as it requires someone to walk into you hammers. Thus it is defensive. The only way to play offensively is charge or tele hammer. Think about it a second. The arrows do a good 300-400 damage which is around 1/10 of my life. I'd rather not get pegged by a few of them, when the barb is just going to be a dick and wait for me to tele on top of him.

And what is the difference between healing auras and potions? Potions take a gold to buy. Auras and skills take skill points into them to become affective. Which cripples your attack in a way. So cry more about cleansing.

[Thoridian]

You cannot play offensively with desync hammers as it requires someone to walk into you hammers. Thus it is defensive. The only way to play offensively is charge or tele hammer. Think about it a second. The arrows do a good 300-400 damage which is around 1/10 of my life. I'd rather not get pegged by a few of them, when the barb is just going to be a dick and wait for me to tele on top of him.

If youre 5.5k life high dr 125% fcr hammerdin u might have chances as a telehammer, otherwise youre ezpk for any BvC that has brain and some skill. Desynching is the only way for mf hammerdins (like yours, lvl80 pfff) or any other good Hammerdins to beat good BvC. So the conclusion is you met crap BvCs.

[atenza]

You cannot play offensively with desync hammers as it requires someone to walk into you hammers. Thus it is defensive. The only way to play offensively is charge or tele hammer. Think about it a second. The arrows do a good 300-400 damage which is around 1/10 of my life. I'd rather not get pegged by a few of them, when the barb is just going to be a dick and wait for me to tele on top of him.

And what is the difference between healing auras and potions? Potions take a gold to buy. Auras and skills take skill points into them to become affective. Which cripples your attack in a way. So cry more about cleansing.

Erm.. there are several ways to desynch hammer attack. I'm not an expert here but a few of them are, desynching up to the barb and hammering on top of them, or in front of their ww, or spam hammer on one side and tele to the other to sandwich and hope for a hit.

You still never addressed my points about what you call "defensive dueling" I call hiding and forfeiting. e.g. hiding in a house. . . . etc etc?? did you read my 13414014 posts, or anyone else's?

[Speederländer]

You cannot play offensively with desync hammers as it requires someone to walk into you hammers.
Totally wrong. You don't have the first idea what you are talking about. Desync hammers are by far the most effective when played offensively.

[Speederländer]

So cry more about cleansing.
:rolleyes: How old are you, 8?

[KaythonXE]

I mf with a glitched merc on a sorc. Since I built this hammerdin to prove Hdins>BvCs it should be apparent that my hammerdin isn't an mf one. Why don't you come duel me Thoridian? Seems you need to get of Ruis's dick and grow one. *Kokoro(sj)

[Speederländer]

Why don't you come duel me Thoridian? Seems you need to get of Ruis's dick and grow one. *Kokoro(sj)
:rolleyes: How old are you, 8?

[Thoridian]

:rolleyes: How old are you, 8?

Well said :D

@KaythonXE: Belive me, if i damn could i would duel u ages ago, and so would Olba and Morotsjos... Too bad as i said in one of my pervious posts, we all play Europe Realm and also check my pervios post where i said "I wish u played europe"... Soo... How old are you? Like 2? Because if youd be older you could read and understand what you read.

[dkay]

funny how no one in this thead agrees with you XE.

oh ya.. my level 84 fury druid just beat a level 94 hdin and a decked out bvc.

fury druids > hammerdins + bvc.

[Bordillo]

I like how noobs like u jump to conclusions and start assumming things since when did i say defence is BM??

If u choose to quote me at least do it properly all i was saying mainly refering to the guy using nec that a duel where u can barely see the person on the minmap is ur idea of a duel that up to u.

And if ppl think using any type of aura that can heal hp is appropriate wot makes this different from someone toping health or rejuv pots?

AS I WILL SAY NOT ONCE WHEN I DUEL I EXPECT SOMEONE TO PLAY INTO MY HAND BUT I DONT EXPECT DUELS WHERE IM DOING NOTHING BUT RUNNING/ TELEING AFTER AN OPPONMENT THAT I CAN ONLY SEE ON A MINIMAP!
I jump to conclusions when people make blatant statements that are wrong

for instance.... if someone said 2+3=99 I could then assume that they are mentally challenged

[AlmostInfinity]

Man this thread is hilarious, keep it up guys! :thumbsup:

[luis19]

Good hdins are offensive vs barbs. The only hdins to give me trouble were offensive.

[KaythonXE]

Luisem19 (7:41:48 PM): From your post, you are just another defensive hdin; which i dont bother dueling.
Luisem19 (7:41:55 PM): and i dont do the trading for my acct.
Spitfire Kokoro (7:42:01 PM): I'm actually quite offensive.
Spitfire Kokoro (7:42:16 PM): You from East NL?
Luisem19 (7:42:23 PM): Your say you hide and put on medi/cleasing; sorry thats not offensive.
Luisem19 (7:42:39 PM): yeah im considered the best barb to ever play on east
Luisem19 (7:42:45 PM): anyway im not on d2 now
Spitfire Kokoro (7:42:45 PM): Play me.
Luisem19 (7:42:54 PM): read above
Spitfire Kokoro (7:43:02 PM): So it's not that hard to get on.
Luisem19 (7:43:09 PM): Your missing the point
Luisem19 (7:43:18 PM): i dont bother with defensive hdins
Spitfire Kokoro (7:43:35 PM): I'll only do that if you just sit there and wait for me to tele ontop of you.
Spitfire Kokoro (7:43:39 PM):
That's what the other barb did.
Luisem19 (7:43:51 PM): tele? ok im defintely not wasting my time with you
Spitfire Kokoro (7:43:52 PM): So I saw no choice but to get him to come to me.
Spitfire Kokoro (7:43:57 PM): Lol.
Spitfire Kokoro (7:44:04 PM): You're a dodging wanna-be.
Luisem19 (7:44:05 PM): no good hdin tele's vs a barb
Luisem19 (7:44:12 PM): no your missing the point
Luisem19 (7:44:16 PM): if you were indeed worth my time
Spitfire Kokoro (7:44:17 PM): No. You're not dueling me.
Luisem19 (7:44:23 PM): you would have this problem of a barb not attacking you
Luisem19 (7:44:38 PM): and you just said you were a tele hdin
Spitfire Kokoro (7:44:41 PM): You're clearly scared.
Luisem19 (7:44:43 PM): :\
Luisem19 (7:44:50 PM): tele hdins dont stand a chance in hell...
Spitfire Kokoro (7:44:51 PM): I never said I'd tele on top of him, I said that's what the barb wanted me to do.
Luisem19 (7:44:57 PM): so?
Luisem19 (7:45:02 PM): who said you had to tele
Spitfire Kokoro (7:45:02 PM): So come show your balls.
Luisem19 (7:45:13 PM): why would u even tele vs a barb
Spitfire Kokoro (7:45:14 PM): Best barb my ***.
Luisem19 (7:45:27 PM): lol w/e random
Luisem19 (7:45:34 PM): i dont waste my time with worthless duels.
Spitfire Kokoro (7:45:36 PM): You're scared to come get beat by a random.

See. People are scared of me. Quit dodging and come duel me.

[Speederländer]

Spitfire Kokoro (7:44:04 PM): You're a dodging wanna-be.

YOU are calling luis a dodging wanna-be? :shocked:

First, posting private exchanges on a public forum is BAD FORM.
Second, HE SAID HE DOESN'T PLAY D2 ANYMORE. Are you too stupid to read?
Third, please grow up.
Forth, luis has NOTHING to prove to the likes of you. He dueled countless times, had countless witnesses and his advice and commentary are always solid.

So, Kaython, seriously shut up. :thumbsup:

[KaythonXE]

'Kay? Still scared.

[luis19]

Kid, you sound like every other defensive bm hdin on east.
If you play east then you'd know he sounds like akajames120382 and other random hdins.

Speeder- i still play every now and then; when i get a new char i play and when Friggen needs me for 4on4, otherwise i dont play.

Sorry but insulting me on aim is not a way to get me to duel; and i clearly said i dont waste time dueling random hdins. If i dueled every hdin that challenged me then I'd be on d2 all day.

[KaythonXE]

Sorry, but you obviously don't have the honour to come and duel me.
you sound like every other defensive bm hdin on east.
That's generalizing, and judging before knowing.

So give it up. If you really had courage, you'd duel me. But you don't. So you all think you have the audacity to call me weak? Well your 'strong' barb friend isn't strong enough to get up the courage to duel me. I don't care if you say he's dueled before he > than you. No. He's not greater than me. He's not equal to me. He's worse than me. Maybe he -can- beat me, but we'll never know. He dodged. I win.

[luis19]

Sorry, I don't bother dueling unworthy opponents :)

This thread alone proves that you aren't worth my time to duel.
Think what you want if that helps your e-pride ok?

[atenza]

jw, i thot blobs used to play east? ? ? or is that koda

[Speederländer]

Sorry, but you obviously don't have the honour to come and duel me.

That's generalizing, and judging before knowing.

So give it up. If you really had courage, you'd duel me. But you don't. So you all think you have the audacity to call me weak? Well your 'strong' barb friend isn't strong enough to get up the courage to duel me. I don't care if you say he's dueled before he > than you. No. He's not greater than me. He's not equal to me. He's worse than me. Maybe he -can- beat me, but we'll never know. He dodged. I win.

Kid, the only thing you've won here is everyone on this forum now thinking you are the new village idiot.

Don't forget your funny hat. :prop:

[Bordillo]

luis why not just beat him and embarass him to shut him up, otherwise no offense it looks bad

[dkay]

jw, i thot blobs used to play east? ? ? or is that koda

blobs doesnt play anymore. he would gladly put this guy in his place though. koda is east but i doubt hes as good as blobs was.

im going to stop posting since this guy is obviously a troll. i swear its like argueing with 7 year olds in a public pk room. haha.

[Thoridian]

Luisem19 (7:41:48 PM): From your post, you are just another defensive hdin; which i dont bother dueling.
Luisem19 (7:41:55 PM): and i dont do the trading for my acct.
Spitfire Kokoro (7:42:01 PM): I'm actually quite offensive.
Spitfire Kokoro (7:42:16 PM): You from East NL?
Luisem19 (7:42:23 PM): Your say you hide and put on medi/cleasing; sorry thats not offensive.
Luisem19 (7:42:39 PM): yeah im considered the best barb to ever play on east
Luisem19 (7:42:45 PM): anyway im not on d2 now
Spitfire Kokoro (7:42:45 PM): Play me.
Luisem19 (7:42:54 PM): read above
Spitfire Kokoro (7:43:02 PM): So it's not that hard to get on.
Luisem19 (7:43:09 PM): Your missing the point
Luisem19 (7:43:18 PM): i dont bother with defensive hdins
Spitfire Kokoro (7:43:35 PM): I'll only do that if you just sit there and wait for me to tele ontop of you.
Spitfire Kokoro (7:43:39 PM):
That's what the other barb did.
Luisem19 (7:43:51 PM): tele? ok im defintely not wasting my time with you
Spitfire Kokoro (7:43:52 PM): So I saw no choice but to get him to come to me.
Spitfire Kokoro (7:43:57 PM): Lol.
Spitfire Kokoro (7:44:04 PM): You're a dodging wanna-be.
Luisem19 (7:44:05 PM): no good hdin tele's vs a barb
Luisem19 (7:44:12 PM): no your missing the point
Luisem19 (7:44:16 PM): if you were indeed worth my time
Spitfire Kokoro (7:44:17 PM): No. You're not dueling me.
Luisem19 (7:44:23 PM): you would have this problem of a barb not attacking you
Luisem19 (7:44:38 PM): and you just said you were a tele hdin
Spitfire Kokoro (7:44:41 PM): You're clearly scared.
Luisem19 (7:44:43 PM): :\
Luisem19 (7:44:50 PM): tele hdins dont stand a chance in hell...
Spitfire Kokoro (7:44:51 PM): I never said I'd tele on top of him, I said that's what the barb wanted me to do.
Luisem19 (7:44:57 PM): so?
Luisem19 (7:45:02 PM): who said you had to tele
Spitfire Kokoro (7:45:02 PM): So come show your balls.
Luisem19 (7:45:13 PM): why would u even tele vs a barb
Spitfire Kokoro (7:45:14 PM): Best barb my ***.
Luisem19 (7:45:27 PM): lol w/e random
Luisem19 (7:45:34 PM): i dont waste my time with worthless duels.
Spitfire Kokoro (7:45:36 PM): You're scared to come get beat by a random.

See. People are scared of me. Quit dodging and come duel me.


E-PRIDE PLX0R !111

Spitfire Kokoro (7:44:04 PM): You're a dodging wanna-be.
^ that one made me laugh :D You're really not worth his time, gg mf lammerdin ;)

[KaythonXE]

Seventeen year old, actually. Trolls don't exist, they're imaginary creatures from fairy-tales. And all I want to do is duel these 'god' BvC people you talk about and they're scared to do so. ^^

[SicHalo]

Luisem19 (7:41:48 PM): From your post, you are just another defensive hdin; which i dont bother dueling.
Luisem19 (7:41:55 PM): and i dont do the trading for my acct.
Spitfire Kokoro (7:42:01 PM): I'm actually quite offensive.
Spitfire Kokoro (7:42:16 PM): You from East NL?
Luisem19 (7:42:23 PM): Your say you hide and put on medi/cleasing; sorry thats not offensive.
Luisem19 (7:42:39 PM): yeah im considered the best barb to ever play on east
Luisem19 (7:42:45 PM): anyway im not on d2 now
Spitfire Kokoro (7:42:45 PM): Play me.
Luisem19 (7:42:54 PM): read above
Spitfire Kokoro (7:43:02 PM): So it's not that hard to get on.
Luisem19 (7:43:09 PM): Your missing the point
Luisem19 (7:43:18 PM): i dont bother with defensive hdins
Spitfire Kokoro (7:43:35 PM): I'll only do that if you just sit there and wait for me to tele ontop of you.
Spitfire Kokoro (7:43:39 PM):
That's what the other barb did.
Luisem19 (7:43:51 PM): tele? ok im defintely not wasting my time with you
Spitfire Kokoro (7:43:52 PM): So I saw no choice but to get him to come to me.
Spitfire Kokoro (7:43:57 PM): Lol.
Spitfire Kokoro (7:44:04 PM): You're a dodging wanna-be.
Luisem19 (7:44:05 PM): no good hdin tele's vs a barb
Luisem19 (7:44:12 PM): no your missing the point
Luisem19 (7:44:16 PM): if you were indeed worth my time
Spitfire Kokoro (7:44:17 PM): No. You're not dueling me.
Luisem19 (7:44:23 PM): you would have this problem of a barb not attacking you
Luisem19 (7:44:38 PM): and you just said you were a tele hdin
Spitfire Kokoro (7:44:41 PM): You're clearly scared.
Luisem19 (7:44:43 PM): :\
Luisem19 (7:44:50 PM): tele hdins dont stand a chance in hell...
Spitfire Kokoro (7:44:51 PM): I never said I'd tele on top of him, I said that's what the barb wanted me to do.
Luisem19 (7:44:57 PM): so?
Luisem19 (7:45:02 PM): who said you had to tele
Spitfire Kokoro (7:45:02 PM): So come show your balls.
Luisem19 (7:45:13 PM): why would u even tele vs a barb
Spitfire Kokoro (7:45:14 PM): Best barb my ***.
Luisem19 (7:45:27 PM): lol w/e random
Luisem19 (7:45:34 PM): i dont waste my time with worthless duels.
Spitfire Kokoro (7:45:36 PM): You're scared to come get beat by a random.

See. People are scared of me. Quit dodging and come duel me.

So far all u have done in the thread is lost any little credability and respect ppl had for u in the first place.

Hence why i quoted the above as thats just childish and rude to post up private conversations.

Secondly if u expect to kill any barb which is close to half decent with tele hammer then ur seriously wrong. A fight like this i would not even bring out a Widow maker.

Also from dueling experience i found going on the offensive vs Barbs works much better than defence and yes u can go offensive with desync. I do this alot by charging in front of the WW path creating a hammerfield arround the Barb in his path of WW.

As someone mentioned to even use tele hammer u would need like the 125% fcr to be able to catch the barb with widow out etc. Even then this is still a bad technique.

[KaythonXE]

I have 30k defense, 130(125) fcr, 75% block, 4.3k life. 12k hammers.

[Ce Olba]

I have 30k defense, 130(125) fcr, 75% block, 4.3k life. 12k hammers.

Yea and I guess bad dr, or then u use a fcr amu/rings. But even with a Coa berber you could only reach 39% DR without fade.

[KaythonXE]

If need be I can switch out arachs and my helmet and have max dr. While retaining 75% fcr. I find DR not an issue, anyways.

[Thoridian]

Yea and I guess bad dr, or then u use a fcr amu/rings. But even with a Coa berber you could only reach 39% DR without fade.

Check my thread in barb forum and see the new belt, kknp

And y if he would use coaberber he'd have to put some points in str that means less life, so his 4.3k life must be done with 20life scs or so lol (that also explains his 12kish hammer dmg)...

[KaythonXE]

I don't need points in strength to use Coa, I can use it with my gear.
(x from Enigma)
(8 from Fcr ring) (also get 12 dex)
(12 from fcr ring) (6 dex)
(20 from amulet) (17 dex)
(15 from Etreks)
(I use 2 pcombs, 2x offensive gcs, and the rest are life scs(mainly 20s, but some 19/18s. Also have a few life/manas in there.

I should remake, with the amulet I picked up I could take about 20 points from dex and put them into vitality.

[Speederländer]

I should remake....
First accurate thing you've said in this whole thread.

[KaythonXE]

Sure. Not like I need to, to beat these silly builds. I want a new name, though. It's funny, some silly barb was dueling me. Full rejuved 5 times, leeched an entire group of fallens. All he did was jump up and down over and over and over. When I charged it'd knock me back and he'd ww me. So I sat at the apex of a wall and when hecame on screen I unsummon tele-hammered him and he cried bm. What a noob.

[mainaman]

Sure. Not like I need to, to beat these silly builds. I want a new name, though. It's funny, some silly barb was dueling me. Full rejuved 5 times, leeched an entire group of fallens. All he did was jump up and down over and over and over. When I charged it'd knock me back and he'd ww me. So I sat at the apex of a wall and when hecame on screen I unsummon tele-hammered him and he cried bm. What a noob.
suggestions about new name

humpbag
$needledicked$
hump me more
i talktoomuch_but_i know nothing
pick one

DUDE YOU PROVED TO EVERYONE ON THIS FORUM THAT YOU ARE A MORON

[Junts]

I want to thank this thread and the one with Zangief in it for teaching me that D2 PVP is not for me! Thanks guys :)

[moonlike]

Sure. Not like I need to, to beat these silly builds. I want a new name, though. It's funny, some silly barb was dueling me. Full rejuved 5 times, leeched an entire group of fallens. All he did was jump up and down over and over and over. When I charged it'd knock me back and he'd ww me. So I sat at the apex of a wall and when hecame on screen I unsummon tele-hammered him and he cried bm. What a noob.

rofl m8 duel with good bvc u will die fast, unsommon hammer omg y he must sux then if he died to this 5 times

[jake007]

rofl m8 duel with good bvc u will die fast, unsommon hammer omg y he must sux then if he died to this 5 times

Unsummon Namelock-Tele is actually a fairly difficult technique to pull off right, and effective when it does. There's nothing wrong dying to it.

Since it's a common practise to settle an argument in a duel, you guys might as well duel Kaython.

And to be honest, Kaython has all the rights to explore the defensive side of the duelling - Why do barbarians always expect a hammerdin to take on the aggressive role? And is there anything wrong with utilising terrain advantage?

[mainaman]

well what kind of terrain advantage is hiding in a corner healing?
and also many ppl(from diff rhealms) told him thay will duel him on direct link he never accepted, the excuse being im bussy, whisper me or i will forget you wanted to duel me blah blah blah ...
see he conveniently sais luis19 dodged his challenge but he never accepted chalenge from other ppl.

[Ce Olba]

Unsummon Namelock-Tele is actually a fairly difficult technique to pull off right, and effective when it does. There's nothing wrong dying to it.

This is very correct. But rarely a barb will actually _die_ to it. Mostly it will just be 1 hit, unless the barb is totally un-prepaired, that's when the hammerdin can keep casting hammers and kill the barb. I've died like this a few times in a pub by a random hammerdin.

Since it's a common practise to settle an argument in a duel, you guys might as well duel Kaython.

Luis is the only one actually going to duel him, since most of us (Thoridian, me, morotsjos) are on different realm. Then he made luis mad so that he didn't have to duel him. So simple, he's dodging everyone with pathetic excuses (realm, "nn to duel wannabes" ...).

And to be honest, Kaython has all the rights to explore the defensive side of the duelling - Why do barbarians always expect a hammerdin to take on the aggressive role? And is there anything wrong with utilising terrain advantage?

But who calls it a duel where the hammerdin teleports between 2 walls and the barb stands still 2 screens away? If you call that a duel, you've got something seriously wrong with yourself. Also, who the hell expects a barb to tele into a hammerfield? You? Any bells ringing about common sense or self-protection? No? Something wrong? As for defensive camping, the hammerdin can do so all he wants, as long as he doesn't do it _after_ a ww connects, since that's called healing by common folk. But if the hammerdin does so, I can, by all means, mule over 20x Full Rejuvs, tele to the blind spot, zerk, spam full rejuvs, nk, sq, shout, whatever I want. That's how I do it. If you piss me off, you piss me off. There's no in-between situations. There's only 2 sides, the right side and the wrong side of things. If you stand at the wrong side as a stubborn goat, you will get a lot of people angry at you, because they are trying to make you realise that you're wrong and thus _help_ you, but as you're stubborn, you think they are wrong and you're right. Isn't this how it is even here?

Seriously, Kaython, I'm sorry if I said anything that made you feel bad or pissed you off, I got kind of a short temper when it comes to proving things. Everyone has their own opinions I guess. As for your first post, you could've put it into a more gentle form, not casualizing public games as "everyone". Even if you have beat every BvC you've met with ease, that doesn't, by all means, mean that everyone is the same. Everyone is an individual, right?

[KaythonXE]

All I wanted to duel was duel the people who said they could beat me then they said they wouldn't. That made me more mad if I would of lost to them. :O Kinda' disappointed in how all the BvC users go nuts over one comment.

[Ce Olba]

All I wanted to duel was duel the people who said they could beat me then they said they wouldn't. That made me more mad if I would of lost to them. :O Kinda' disappointed in how all the BvC users go nuts over one comment.

Well, that's just common human nature. You want to protect what you think is right. You are on the shore of Hammerdins, we are on the shore of BvCs, and we are in a debate about which is the superior, yet there are not a single real aspect taken in, it's all just about how corners+medi>widow and how fortitude>tele hammer. But why won't any people really _test_ this, not by dueling, but as which character really has the most effective attack ways against each other? Like, testing how much dmg would a ww do to a hammerdin, who's on-guard and the same about telehammer vs bvc.

But all the people do is just shout out "OTOZOAMFG HIDE MORE LOLOLOL!". Well, I do not want to take any sides on this, even though, I am a BvC player and have not yet been beaten by more than 3 hammerdins constantly. And 2 of those happen to be pretty BM-ish, IMO.

[KaythonXE]

I'd direct link if I knew how. >.o

[mainaman]

you just need to know the other persons ip
then make game and that is it
unless it is different thing than what im thinking.

[KaythonXE]

I figured that but when I TCP IP'd SC back in the day, the ip was the standard 1.626.xx.0.1 or something like that. That's the network IP though. :/

[mainaman]

i think you can see your actual ip from ip config but , i am not into hardwarea dn such so ppl that know better will tell

[KaythonXE]

Well, giving out your ip address isn't the smartest of things anyways. :/ ****ing hacking losers.

Some sorc who was dueling me was crying that I tele hammered her, after a while, she started saying aa user. So then, I killed her and took like 700k gold, and she threated to hack me. So I told her to do so. :D

[mainaman]

if you make tcp/ip game, in the upper right corner under dificulty lvl you can see your ip address.
and i doubt ppl here will try attack your acc
many ppl have been keyloged just by downloading stuff from internet so i dont see why worry.
as if anyone here dont have enough wealth so they will steal from you....
anyway now there is no excuse for not dueling ppl i guess

[KaythonXE]

That's your network IP address I'm pretty sure of. But there is one problem, how to we get our realm chars onto open b.net?

[jake007]

You'll have to resort to editors.

[mainaman]

yep you basically build your char with same stats and gear and duel on open bnet

[KaythonXE]

I suppose. But I don't want to go looking for editors, due to hidden features. :/

[mainaman]

if you get it from the right place it doesn't have hidden features

[KaythonXE]

Where is the right place then?

[Nab]

if you give me ur screen name i can send you a legit one.
p.s. we allowed to mention character editors?

[Thoridian]

Well, that's just common human nature. You want to protect what you think is right. You are on the shore of Hammerdins, we are on the shore of BvCs, and we are in a debate about which is the superior, yet there are not a single real aspect taken in, it's all just about how corners+medi>widow and how fortitude>tele hammer. But why won't any people really _test_ this, not by dueling, but as which character really has the most effective attack ways against each other? Like, testing how much dmg would a ww do to a hammerdin, who's on-guard and the same about telehammer vs bvc.

But all the people do is just shout out "OTOZOAMFG HIDE MORE LOLOLOL!". Well, I do not want to take any sides on this, even though, I am a BvC player and have not yet been beaten by more than 3 hammerdins constantly. And 2 of those happen to be pretty BM-ish, IMO.

RIP_TheJesus and? :P

[Ce Olba]

RIP_TheJesus and? :P

NK_YOU and Xh_NKku (but NKku never dueled me 1 on 1 though). As for NK_You, there never was a "go" he just appeared from no where, killed/attacked me and dissapeared.

[Thoridian]

Lolo RIP_TheJesus raped u few days ago at pubs >.> Oh well whatever, he raped whole game lolz

NK_YOU is weaker version of RIP_Kid and RIP_TheJesus, will have to duel him in 1 v 1 then, and i dueled Xh_NKku 5-3 for me, also had TvT 4v4 vs NK_YOU + Xh_NKku and 2 randoms, they got raped badly

[KaythonXE]

I got one, I did the stats and such but making my items again gave me a headache. I'll do that later.

[RetroStar]

I got one, I did the stats and such but making my items again gave me a headache. I'll do that later.

get them from websites. they have alot premade ones for single player users.

[morotsjos]

You cannot play offensively with desync hammers as it requires someone to walk into you hammers. Thus it is defensive. The only way to play offensively is charge or tele hammer. Think about it a second. The arrows do a good 300-400 damage which is around 1/10 of my life. I'd rather not get pegged by a few of them, when the barb is just going to be a dick and wait for me to tele on top of him.

And what is the difference between healing auras and potions? Potions take a gold to buy. Auras and skills take skill points into them to become affective. Which cripples your attack in a way. So cry more about cleansing.
you're just another ignorant lying (4800 damage guided arrows ROFL) blabbering wannabe with a ****ty 3k life ghettodin that no half-decent barb would lose to ever so cry more about anything.

[morotsjos]

Lolo RIP_TheJesus raped u few days ago at pubs >.> Oh well whatever, he raped whole game lolz

yes thats so hard with a healing+running hammerdin.

[KaythonXE]

you're just another ignorant lying (4800 damage guided arrows ROFL) blabbering wannabe with a ****ty 3k life ghettodin that no half-decent barb would lose to ever so cry more about anything.

Try 4.3k on my own bo, yes that's what they were doing to me. So what don't you cry some more about your little weak *** typing skills, and stop e-raging. As you can see I and the BvC fanboys(no offense xD) have solved are differences and are no longer arguing. Quit trying to conflict us into arguements, you pathetic instigator. By the way, that big word I said means you try to elevate.. er.. make the x variable go up into conflict. I hope I made this understandable. Ghetto hammerdin?
4.3k life on a 5bo cta/lidless bo
12k damage
125 fcr
75% block
23k defense

Main weapon: 75 all res +60 stacked over

Secondary weapon: 70% OW and 50% DS, 2k-3k dmg, w/ 16k ar , defense drops to 20k, res stays 75 no stack.

I guarantee I can beat and give any one of your characters a run for their money. Lately the only thing I've been having problems with is Hammers, Minion stack windies, and bliz sorcs. I've solved the hammer problem with my switch.

So if you have the balls to face me on a forum but you don't have the balls to face me in the game? Please, be quiet.

[AgentMan]

noob question here, what does bvc stand for?

[Ce Olba]

Lolo RIP_TheJesus raped u few days ago at pubs >.> Oh well whatever, he raped whole game lolz

NK_YOU is weaker version of RIP_Kid and RIP_TheJesus, will have to duel him in 1 v 1 then, and i dueled Xh_NKku 5-3 for me, also had TvT 4v4 vs NK_YOU + Xh_NKku and 2 randoms, they got raped badly

Lol the RIP people are just weak running, healing tardies. But I have to admit that I suspect him using some kind of a program, due to the fact that he ALWAYS tele where my whirls started, and he did that RIGHT after my whirls started. So of course, when he somehow knows where I tele, of course he's gonna kill me. As for NK_YOU, he uses mercs and all that bollox, plus he never does a real 1v1. As for Xh_NKku, me and Ed beat Xh_NKku+NK_YOU in a pub pretty badly.

[KaythonXE]

Barbarian Versus Caster.

[Thoridian]

Lol the RIP people are just weak running, healing tardies. But I have to admit that I suspect him using some kind of a program, due to the fact that he ALWAYS tele where my whirls started, and he did that RIGHT after my whirls started. So of course, when he somehow knows where I tele, of course he's gonna kill me. As for NK_YOU, he uses mercs and all that bollox, plus he never does a real 1v1. As for Xh_NKku, me and Ed beat Xh_NKku+NK_YOU in a pub pretty badly.

Well not really... As I told you Olba, Ive dueled both RIP_TheJesus and RIP_Kid. And seriously Ive never noticed Jesus teleporting the way u said lol...

[morotsjos]

Try 4.3k on my own bo, yes that's what they were doing to me. So what don't you cry some more about your little weak *** typing skills, and stop e-raging. As you can see I and the BvC fanboys(no offense xD) have solved are differences and are no longer arguing. Quit trying to conflict us into arguements, you pathetic instigator. By the way, that big word I said means you try to elevate.. er.. make the x variable go up into conflict. I hope I made this understandable. Ghetto hammerdin?
4.3k life on a 5bo cta/lidless bo
12k damage
125 fcr
75% block
23k defense

Main weapon: 75 all res +60 stacked over

Secondary weapon: 70% OW and 50% DS, 2k-3k dmg, w/ 16k ar , defense drops to 20k, res stays 75 no stack.

I guarantee I can beat and give any one of your characters a run for their money. Lately the only thing I've been having problems with is Hammers, Minion stack windies, and bliz sorcs. I've solved the hammer problem with my switch.

So if you have the balls to face me on a forum but you don't have the balls to face me in the game? Please, be quiet.
oh please, i'm not the blabbering ignorant who post lie after lie. pretty much everyone has realized that you're a total moron and given up. so do i. personally i suggest a reality check and some repetition of basic math but by all means keep living in your fantasy-world where barbs do 5k guided and die to a weak level 80 tele hammer lol.

[Ce Olba]

Well not really... As I told you Olba, Ive dueled both RIP_TheJesus and RIP_Kid. And seriously Ive never noticed Jesus teleporting the way u said lol...

Rofl, just faced off with Xh_Nku, a javazon. Apparently she used some kind of screen resolution program, as she hit me about 1.5 screens away with fc, spammable. Or then it's just the FC program. Whatever, she never dueled me 1v1, always there was a hammerdin or something like that there. But I didn't die, as the ama kept running to town.

[Thoridian]

Rofl, just faced off with Xh_Nku, a javazon. Apparently she used some kind of screen resolution program, as she hit me about 1.5 screens away with fc, spammable. Or then it's just the FC program. Whatever, she never dueled me 1v1, always there was a hammerdin or something like that there. But I didn't die, as the ama kept running to town.

Shes using either fc script or 1600x1200 resolution script, same as my m8 who faced Mat in a 1 vs 1 duel with a nec and got pwned even with his 1600x1200 screen and called Mat "a noob" and left the game xd Later he removed (that nec) me from fl cuz i showed him someone who can own his 1600x1200 haxed *** without problems.. Ah forgot he also cried over Mat using pots hah. That was *** behaviour from that necs side lol...

Oh and the javazon isnt that hard, ive met her 1 vs 1 in the TvT we had and she kept dying lol

[Ce Olba]

Shes using either fc script or 1600x1200 resolution script, same as my m8 who faced Mat in a 1 vs 1 duel with a nec and got pwned even with his 1600x1200 screen and called Mat "a noob" and left the game xd Later he removed (that nec) me from fl cuz i showed him someone who can own his 1600x1200 haxed *** without problems.. Ah forgot he also cried over Mat using pots hah

I take this friend is Kardiyan?

[Thoridian]

I take this friend is Kardiyan?

Yes thats him, he cried over all that and later removed me from fl lolz, preety lame isnt it? Oh well whatever that was past, he got me back at fl :P

[KaythonXE]

oh please, i'm not the blabbering ignorant who post lie after lie. pretty much everyone has realized that you're a total moron and given up. so do i. personally i suggest a reality check and some repetition of basic math but by all means keep living in your fantasy-world where barbs do 5k guided and die to a weak level 80 tele hammer lol.

That's what I thought. All bark no bite.

[SicHalo]

Rofl, just faced off with Xh_Nku, a javazon. Apparently she used some kind of screen resolution program, as she hit me about 1.5 screens away with fc, spammable. Or then it's just the FC program. Whatever, she never dueled me 1v1, always there was a hammerdin or something like that there. But I didn't die, as the ama kept running to town.


Hey these guys nl cuz i recognise there names from pubs?

i definetly recognise NK_YOU

[Ce Olba]

Hey these guys nl cuz i recognise there names from pubs?

i definetly recognise NK_YOU

Yea, they sure are hell are EUSCNL, the same place where I am.

Btw Sho, Kardiyan's gotten a little more friendly with me instead. I find it ridiculous how I beat his blizz sorc, even with 1600x1200 mode :smiley: but he complained about no block.

Me, Goldwrap and Kard make a pretty steady pub PK team. A BvC, a smiter, and a Necro/Windy/Boner.

[KaythonXE]

Here is my ghetto mf hammerdin on my own bo.
http://i54.photobucket.com/albums/g96/KokoroSJ/Screenshot002.jpg
Life is low because I traded out my 30+ pcombs and replaced with 12/15/19
Damage is low because my BC is extremely low. And it ran out when I took the pic. :)

[SicHalo]

Yea, they sure are hell are EUSCNL, the same place where I am.

Btw Sho, Kardiyan's gotten a little more friendly with me instead. I find it ridiculous how I beat his blizz sorc, even with 1600x1200 mode :smiley: but he complained about no block.

Me, Goldwrap and Kard make a pretty steady pub PK team. A BvC, a smiter, and a Necro/Windy/Boner.

yeah that is a tough team, goldwrap is a good smiter + a equally as good BvC and Windy or others can hold their own well in pubs

well i seen NK_YOU play and i think i seen the ama but still that resolution stuff gives a huge advantage cuz u can hit from a good few screens away.

[Ce Olba]

yeah that is a tough team, goldwrap is a good smiter + a equally as good BvC and Windy or others can hold their own well in pubs

well i seen NK_YOU play and i think i seen the ama but still that resolution stuff gives a huge advantage cuz u can hit from a good few screens away.

Well, actually, I'm not that good. I'm pretty decent though. But no, on a BvC I'm not even close to what Goldwrap is on Smiter. And yes, we make a pretty steady team, as Goldwrap takes down BvB's, I take down random casters with Kard. Specially good since I hit 11k life with Kard's oak :D

[morotsjos]

That's what I thought. All bark no bite.
you know _nothing_. it's very evident. good luck have fun. adore me ignorant.

[morotsjos]

Here is my ghetto mf hammerdin on my own bo.
http://i54.photobucket.com/albums/g96/KokoroSJ/Screenshot002.jpg
Life is low because I traded out my 30+ pcombs and replaced with 12/15/19
Damage is low because my BC is extremely low. And it ran out when I took the pic. :)
so your imaginary 30k def was in reality 16k. sad.
i understand why you only tele with that pathetic mana though rofl. and yes, <4.5k life on a level 90+ char is very ghetto.

[jake007]

i understand why you only tele with that pathetic mana though rofl. and yes, <4.5k life on a level 90+ char is very ghetto.

It's as good as it gets. Check out my calculations: http://forums.diabloii.net/showthread.php?t=450303

And of course, the characters were lvl85 only, and an extra 5 level probably boost HP by ~210.

[morotsjos]

It's as good as it gets. Check out my calculations: http://forums.diabloii.net/showthread.php?t=450303

And of course, the characters were lvl85 only, and an extra 5 level probably boost HP by ~210.
calcs rarely have anything to do with reality. real hammerdins have close to or more than 5k life depending on level and stats on rings/amu. of course the people frequenting these forums cant imagine this, just like they didn't believe that Pravda had (yes he sold it on e-bay recently) over 5k life on his pre-torch v/t lol.

of course 30k def @ level 80 (which later turned out to be 16k @ level 91 rofl) has nothing to do with reality either. funny that all hammer-fanboys have to theorycraft/lie about stats/widow-dmg.

thanks for proving my point though, since your calcs clearly shows that anything below 4.5k life @ level 90 is pathetic.

[KaythonXE]

Show me a picture of your hammerdin with 5k life. Thanks, shut up, I know you can't. So be quiet. :)

[jake007]

calcs rarely have anything to do with reality. real hammerdins have close to or more than 5k life depending on level and stats on rings/amu. of course the people frequenting these forums cant imagine this, just like they didn't believe that Pravda had (yes he sold it on e-bay recently) over 5k life on his pre-torch v/t lol.

They are actually raw displayed data from single-player. I'm not too sure what's your definition of 'true hammerdin' but if you read carefully, I've picked out the best possible setups that hits 125fcr and max-block. Things might be different on non-ladder as there are alot of bugged and pre-1.10 equipments. I think 5K HP is just about obtainable @ lvl 95 on the spirit setup. Note that neither build hit 86fhr, so you're looking for another 100hp penalty there if you use +12FHR Pcombat.

of course 30k def @ level 80 (which later turned out to be 16k @ level 91 rofl) has nothing to do with reality either. funny that all hammer-fanboys have to theorycraft/lie about stats/widow-dmg.


Not exactly the sole-priorities of paladins. Barbarians theorycraft alot too.

[kabal]

They are actually raw displayed data from single-player. I'm not too sure what's your definition of 'true hammerdin' but if you read carefully, I've picked out the best possible setups that hits 125fcr and max-block. Things might be different on non-ladder as there are alot of bugged and pre-1.10 equipments. I think 5K HP is just about obtainable @ lvl 95 on the spirit setup. Note that neither build hit 86fhr, so you're looking for another 100hp penalty there if you use +12FHR Pcombat.


You could use more vita SC's instead of all pcombat skillers, since IMO 16k hammers are overkill.

[Jerion]

eh, on east hdins usually get around 4k, depending on max block, etc
oak from hoto will easily put you over 5k though

[jake007]

for some cases, 3 x 16k hammer can 3 hit KO on most barbarians out there, and 2 hit can wipe floor with most of smiter/hammer/any-cookie cutter kill. In that sense it's not an over-kill.

It all depends on the opponent's stats, really. But against a good barb, you have to make sure they can't make more than 4 mistakes. 13K is a good balance.

oak from hoto will easily put you over 5k though

Not too practical against a barbarian as 1 GA will probably lay the oak to rest, unless you decide to play on nightmare.

[Jerion]

eh, most hdins target 13-14k
16k is more hvh oriented

[Thoridian]

*soupaman on eu scnl has 5.5k life @ 97lvl on his hammerdin (RIP_Kid) and RIP_TheJesus has over 5.2k on his lvl 95+ hammerdin (98 if i remember well), both with 125fcr maxblock setup.

[SicHalo]

16k is overkill i kill with 10k hammer fast enough on mage also u can still get a 12k hammer with a typical setup and still have high life, i.e use more vita scs.

But its true i noticed there is more ppl using theory than actually proof to their setups as i always say theory is one thing, but actually proving is something completly different.

[SicHalo]

Show me a picture of your hammerdin with 5k life. Thanks, shut up, I know you can't. So be quiet. :)

listen the more u talk the more ur proving u know nothing.
A good hammer setup can hit 5k i have seen a few hammers hit this with setups based on 20 life scs and few combats however these where high lvl

[KaythonXE]

*soupaman on eu scnl has 5.5k life @ 97lvl on his hammerdin (RIP_Kid) and RIP_TheJesus has over 5.2k on his lvl 95+ hammerdin (98 if i remember well), both with 125fcr maxblock setup.

Post a screen shot.


listen the more u talk the more ur proving u know nothing.
A good hammer setup can hit 5k i have seen a few hammers hit this with setups based on 20 life scs and few combats however these where high lvl

Post 2-3x 'good' hammerdin setups? With 5k life w/o oak. You guys talk all this crap, but I've shown proof. I win atleast 75% of my pub duels, and the 1v1s I do I've never lost. Not even to the silly fc zons.

[mainaman]

Post a screen shot.




Post 2-3x 'good' hammerdin setups? With 5k life w/o oak. You guys talk all this crap, but I've shown proof. I win atleast 75% of my pub duels, and the 1v1s I do I've never lost. Not even to the silly fc zons.

what are the sc's in your inventory?
how many 20 lifers?

[jake007]

It's perfectly possible to get past 5.5K hp if you use many 20life SC instead of Pcombat, and prebuff battle order.

Note: The tests I've done emphasises on using an inventory full of Pcombat.

[mainaman]

It's perfectly possible to get past 5.5K hp if you use many 20life SC instead of Pcombat, and prebuff battle order.

Note: The tests I've done emphasises on using an inventory full of Pcombat.
i just wander what his charms are because if they were 20 lifers his life is too low
he also has too much dexterity and he has put too many points into str unless he uses crappy torch /anni

[jake007]

16k is overkill i kill with 10k hammer fast enough on mage also u can still get a 12k hammer with a typical setup and still have high life, i.e use more vita scs.

But its true i noticed there is more ppl using theory than actually proof to their setups as i always say theory is one thing, but actually proving is something completly different.

10K hammer on a mage? What kind of mage are you??

Edit: 16K is by no mean an over-kill, not in some cases. 3 Hammer is enough to knock an 8K Life barbarian FLAT.

[SicHalo]

10K hammer on a mage? What kind of mage are you??

Edit: 16K is by no mean an over-kill, not in some cases. 3 Hammer is enough to knock an 8K Life barbarian FLAT.

not quite my old bvc had like 8k+ life and it took like 5 hits on a typical 15k hammer asetup obviously the 5th hit killed me.

so a setup like this would prolly 4 hits to kill.

btw i uses mage with foh with dr setup i hit 10k hammer 4.3k foh with foh based 5k foh 9.6k hammer

[KaythonXE]

8x 32020s, 8x 5fhr/20 life, the rest are 5res/20 life. And one 2 str/5 res.

[Thoridian]

8x 32020s, 8x 5fhr/20 life, the rest are 5res/20 life. And one 2 str/5 res.

These are your charms? 8x 5fhr/20life scs? Lie more please, 5fhr is "of balance" suffix and 20life is "of vita" so your sc is like small charm of balance of vita? LOL

Btw ill try to get you a screenshot from those 2 guys i mentioned in my pervious post.

It's perfectly possible to get past 5.5K hp if you use many 20life SC instead of Pcombat, and prebuff battle order.

Note: The tests I've done emphasises on using an inventory full of Pcombat.

He wasnt preboing.

[KaythonXE]

In East NL there are charms, and they're 5fhr/20 life. o.o I don't know if their legit, though.

Sure, get the screen shot. :)

[mainaman]

8x 32020s, 8x 5fhr/20 life, the rest are 5res/20 life. And one 2 str/5 res.
3/20/20 on a hemmerdin???and 5fhr/20 lfe cs cant exist since both mods are sufixes as Thoridan said
anyway your life is really low then
i use 7 pcombats with 30 to 39 life and 3 16-18 lifers 10 20 lifers and i hit 4.4 k life at lvl 91 -this is because i messed up.
you have too low life and also you seem to have used too many pts in dext and str.

[KaythonXE]

32020's for my charge switch for certain classes. I need the ar mostly. I put 10 more points into dex than needed, due to gear change. Regardless, of what I use, I still beat every BvC I come across.

[jake007]

not quite my old bvc had like 8k+ life and it took like 5 hits on a typical 15k hammer asetup obviously the 5th hit killed me.

so a setup like this would prolly 4 hits to kill.

btw i uses mage with foh with dr setup i hit 10k hammer 4.3k foh with foh based 5k foh 9.6k hammer

15K hammer does 2.55K pvp damage. Unless your barb gets +10K hp, I don't see how it can survive 4 15k hammer.

3 hammers is 500life left 4th kills.

Read what sichalo wrote.

[moonlike]

15K hammer does 2.55K pvp damage. Unless your barb gets +10K hp, I don't see how it survive 4 15k hammer.
3 hammers is 500life left 4th kills.

[RetroStar]

15K hammer does 2.55K pvp damage. Unless your barb gets +10K hp, I don't see how it can survive 4 15k hammer.

Also 8k life isn't as realistic unless you do some big prebuffs.

Most of the people in forums exaggerate their stats/skills anyway.

[jake007]

Also 8k life isn't as realistic unless you do some big prebuffs.

Most of the people in forums exaggerate their stats/skills anyway.

Yup, I'm getting the message ;)

[KaythonXE]

I exaggerated my defense just a tad bit. It hits around 25k if I so choose to ditch my enigma.

[SicHalo]

15K hammer does 2.55K pvp damage. Unless your barb gets +10K hp, I don't see how it can survive 4 15k hammer.



Read what sichalo wrote.


i though 15k hammer was 2000 pvp dmg?

if it is 2.55k hammer dmg for 15k then thats about rite the 4th hit will kill a 8k life barb if its only 2000 pvp dmg then the barb if he has a little over 8k the 5th hit will kill.

anyhow that was hp with prebuff on old barb forgot to specify

and no that was not major prebuffs cuz old barb was pure vita so a few changes got me that mark, i.e 5 bo helm, amu 3 bo and one skill ring.

[moonlike]

ur new barb has points in str and dex?
i ask because i have pure vita barb and i wonder is it worth to put remake him

[SicHalo]

ur new barb has points in str and dex?
i ask because i have pure vita barb and i wonder is it worth to put remake him

yeah i think its worth the remake cuz i use points in str and dex, not alot but it helps with versatility, i.e being able to equip a forti or Duress for certain fights, which = more dmg. Able to wear equiment combinations that would not be possible with base stat barbs.
Also vs hammerdins being able to use angelic combo with widowmaker + forti/duress really helps, howver on EUSCNL a "special" belt allows u to do this.

[stoutewolf]

yeah i think its worth the remake cuz i use points in str and dex, not alot but it helps with versatility, i.e being able to equip a forti or Duress for certain fights, which = more dmg. Able to wear equiment combinations that would not be possible with base stat barbs.
Also vs hammerdins being able to use angelic combo with widowmaker really helps, howver on EUSCNL a "special" belt allows u to do this.
bug belt....

i can survive over 1000 hammers without potting:grin:

[SicHalo]

bug belt....

i can survive over 1000 hammers without potting:grin:


u have like 10k life also :rolleyes: from wolf so yeah u can take alot of hammers

[kingdryland]

15k hammers after pvp penalty which is 17% and not 1/6 is 2550 indeed. 3sx2550=7650. Anything with less hit points than that dies at 3 hammers. Is 15k hammers a round number or 15.5k in reality? 16k is 2720 in pvp and 3x2720=8160.

[Ce Olba]

15k hammers after pvp penalty which is 17% and not 1/6 is 2550 indeed. 3sx2550=7650. Anything with less hit points than that dies at 3 hammers. Is 15k hammers a round number or 15.5k in reality? 16k is 2720 in pvp and 3x2720=8160.

The 1/6th is an approximate, since 1/6=0.16666666666666666..., but it's still 0.4 444444444444444... off, so it gives incorrect results.

Also, I doubt any BvC having 7.6k life without either mass prebuff or pure vita.

[disc]

15k hammers after pvp penalty which is 17% and not 1/6 is 2550 indeed. 3sx2550=7650. Anything with less hit points than that dies at 3 hammers. Is 15k hammers a round number or 15.5k in reality? 16k is 2720 in pvp and 3x2720=8160.

your screen may say 15k hammer damage but that isnt what you are doing. concentrate aura doesnt work like that, i think conc gives 50% of actual conc aura with hammer. ppl that play hammerdins always seem to think their damage is bigger than it actually is.... must be a guy thing.

[Ce Olba]

your screen may say 15k hammer damage but that isnt what you are doing. concentrate aura doesnt work like that, i think conc gives 50% of actual conc aura with hammer. ppl that play hammerdins always seem to think their damage is bigger than it actually is.... must be a guy thing.

That is incorrect information. The damage shown in LCS is the real damage. And this is easily proved by the fact that most barbs die in 4 hammers, since it does 10k damage, not 5k.

[disc]

That is incorrect information. The damage shown in LCS is the real damage. And this is easily proved by the fact that most barbs die in 4 hammers, since it does 10k damage, not 5k.

you duel hammerdins but dont know how they work im afraid. check the pala forums for a hammer build and back up your "guessing" with facts. when i got time i will check it myself and post the link.

[Ce Olba]

you duel hammerdins but dont know how they work im afraid. check the pala forums for a hammer build and back up your "guessing" with facts. when i got time i will check it myself and post the link.

Well then you tell me how the hell would 8.5k hammers, which after pvp penalty are 1445, do 6110 in 3 hits? IIRC, 3x1445=4335, not 6110, whereas 17 000*0.17=2890, 2890*3=8670. How about you back up your math bull**** with real in-game facts, please?

[jake007]

I'm with Ce Olba here, I've just duelled a hammerdin with 11K hammer, and 2 hammer take me right down to 300HP - this is about right if you take into account the calculations.

[Neuroff]

The 15K is already displayed with the 50% bonus from Conc.

[SicHalo]

they are rite cuz i though hammer was affected by the 1/6 pvp penalty which lead me to lead to a 15k hammer does 200 pvp dmg but and as Ce Olba said that maths does not add up as 3 hits would work out about half or near 3/4 of that figure displayed.

And yes the 50% is already shown on screen as the concentration aura is know to work on hammer dmg by 50% not the full 100% u would get if u were using a weapon.

The reason why hammer dmg is so big is the fact that its unresistable magic dmg which ignores immunities thats the fact for pvm but pvp i think hammers work in the same way as no items gives magic resistances in hige amoutn to reduce this type of dmg only thing i know has an affect is ES.

[Ce Olba]

The 15K is already displayed with the 50% bonus from Conc.

Then what the hell is the problem here? IIRC, it doesn't matter how much the Conc adds to hammers, since the damage shown on LCS is the correct amount. So what the hell does it matter even if hammers do not get all the bonuses? It still doesn't affect it at all, unless you're talking about _if_ it worked with 100%, which would be 50% too much, imagine something like 25k hammers, doing 4250 dmg after pvp penalty. That would mean 3 hits to kill _any_ character and 2 hits to kill a ES sorc (4k mana gone from first hit, second breaks ES and does damage).

And I think that the guy who thinks that LCS is bugging hammers, try it.

[KaythonXE]

What's IIRC mean and Ce Olba is right. Only a complete moron would say the character screen is wrong on hammer damage. You can quickly calculate this in your head. Lol. But on the es wouldn't it be 4.25k damage * .75? With fully synergised? Dunno' about es though. If anyone knows this BvC named 'Punch' account PKS- on NL East. What a noob. He ez's this smiter who interupts our 1v1 game. Takes like 200k gold.

Then he duels me. I get 1 hammer in, he has about 1/5 life left(I was doing 9k hammers with my PvM gear on. -_-) Anyways. Duel is kinda' just blah for a while, I tele onto him and take 1/5 damage and then down to 3/4 life with the OW triggering. Or poison. One ofthe two. Then I tele over him and hit him 3 times and he wws away with a sliver of life left and leaves. -_-; People these days.

[mainaman]

What's IIRC mean and Ce Olba is right. Only a complete moron would say the character screen is wrong on hammer damage. You can quickly calculate this in your head. Lol. But on the es wouldn't it be 4.25k damage * .75? With fully synergised? Dunno' about es though. If anyone knows this BvC named 'Punch' account PKS- on NL East. What a noob. He ez's this smiter who interupts our 1v1 game. Takes like 200k gold.

Then he duels me. I get 1 hammer in, he has about 1/5 life left(I was doing 9k hammers with my PvM gear on. -_-) Anyways. Duel is kinda' just blah for a while, I tele onto him and take 1/5 damage and then down to 3/4 life with the OW triggering. Or poison. One ofthe two. Then I tele over him and hit him 3 times and he wws away with a sliver of life left and leaves. -_-; People these days. iirc =if i remeber correctly
as for the barb you met and beat another pub barb dueler. I am sorry that this is how you up your e-pride . But as ppl already told you no decent barb will let you tele on top of them and hammer,period. any decent barb will be wwing whn you tele on top of them and you will die on your 2nd or 3rd attempt to do so ...

[SicHalo]

yeah forget most pub barbs most dont know how to duel i mean i have seen noobs tele WW through a field of hammers.

Most ive seen i ease them in a matter of seconds only ppl i can say know how to use a barb are either ppl here, or ppl like Luder, Ce Olba etc im decent on Barb but not the best.

[jake007]

I'm a pub barb.

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[Jerion]

In East NL there are charms, and they're 5fhr/20 life. o.o I don't know if their legit, though.

ISO screenshot ;\

[SicHalo]

i was wondering the same thing how can a 20 life 5fhr sc exist?

They are 2 prefixes?

[mainaman]

i was wondering the same thing how can a 20 life 5fhr sc exist?

They are 2 prefixes?
2 sufixes actually ,but still the same ->20life/5fhr can't exist

[stoutewolf]

2 sufixes actually ,but still the same ->20life/5fhr can't exist
they cn exist in theory, it could be a bugged item which the game drops. Practiclly this is nearly impossible and i doubt there are any:grin:

[KaythonXE]

They do exist, for the same matter that bugged tals exists. HOW IS IT POSSIBLE?!!?! It's tals, with omg mods. -_- It's a created item. I have a realm down and it's been here forever. I tele on top of every barb I face to test his ar. Most BvCs don't break my defense, and then it's a 1/4 chance to hit even if they do. And I just remade my hammerdin. But he's.. lvl 68.

All in all, if I wanted to raise my e-pride I'd do it in a game I'm much better at. Like counter-strike or Halo 2. They're just games I rarely lose at, goes 20/0. I do die a lot in d2. Not so much in other games. But if it makes -you- feel better to beat me down, go for it. You all seem to get macho talking to me through a forum, but no one will ever play me.. It's a shame.

Hey RetroStar, I wanna' duel your BvC with my new paladin who'll be about ~80 soon. So lmk when you'll be on, if you still look at this thread. :O

[KaythonXE]

I want to try a barb, cause I like how they kill druids. And how druids own my hammerdin. :/

[morotsjos]

I exaggerated my defense just a tad bit. It hits around 25k if I so choose to ditch my enigma.
ahah yes of course. first 30k then 23k @ level 80, then suddenly 16k @ level 91 lmfao. too bad that you cant ditch your enigma since you dont have a clue about desynching. the only thing you had to say after i trashed all your pathetic theorycrafting and lies was "screen". i love it =)
i dont think i have to provide screens of anything however, numerous people have confirmed that 5k+ life is very possible. not with ****ty ghetto combats like you use though. sorry. i like your shield, i thought something as low as 16k def @ 91 was damn near impossible with exile but you keep amusing me =)
funny that you sacrifice dr and block% and still have less defense than any standard ss-hammer lol.
now shhhhhhhh and go back dueling other ignorant mfers, then you can all draw some irrelevant conclusions and brag on forums about how this owns that. me adore level 80 30k def telehammers who own all. tele/hammer, tele/hammer gogogo =)

[KaythonXE]

Cry cause you suck? Hold shift, switch between as and zx(hammer/conc and charge vigor). Oh is that desync? I think so. I can't desync, not high enough vigor. That's why I remade you piece of **** player who is too scared to play me.

Talk more ****, but everyone is scared to duel me. Only one who had guts was retro, and well, look what happened to him.

[KaythonXE]

Exile? It's an eth hoz bro. o.o

[moonlike]

like ur mf hammer dont die to barbs same my pub bvc dont loose hammers
maybe i will do own post bvc>hammers dont u think?
stop this **** , go mf or stop this stupid posts.

[KaythonXE]

It's funny how your ignorant self keeps saying mf hammerdin yet only thing with mf is enigma. :O Oh ****, you're ****ing retarded. Put your character where your mouth is or shut your trap. That's all I have to say.

[Romper Stomper]

I've beaten MCM's barb 2/3 sets I've dueled him in with my hammerdin. He's pretty much the only barb that can do anything in a real match vs me. I was even consistently beating his little friend "Pet" without using damage reduction gear.

Why lie? We've only dueled 1v1 once and the result was 4-2 to me. http://thepiratebay.org/details.php?id=3439952 if you're having problems remembering.

[Romper Stomper]

usually a hammerdin beats a barb. I'd say 97% of the time barbs will get destroyed by a hammerdin. But it is not because BvC's are weaker, its because people don't know how to use them. Or maybe its because so many people like to use hammerdin that a lot more people have become more talented with that particular class.

I know ladder is generally regarded as "nubby" but there are still plenty of top pk'ers on west ladder. From my own experience it is extremely dependant on how the barb and hammerdin is played. The hammerdin imo depends much more on luck to win the duel.
Here is how I see most duels going:
Hammerdin charges the barb or tele's watever, finds out he can't hit the barb without getting smacked by barb's ww. Runs around desynching hoping for stray hammer, gets tagged by a guided arrow + ow and poison. Loses a lil bit of life, gets offensive again gets tagged again by ww.
Whole duel will continue like this unless the hammerdin gets smart. Charge/desynch/ teleport in front of area where barb is running/tele and hope the hammer hits.

PERFECTLY played a bvc can destroy a hammerdin without getting touched, but its often easy for the hammerdin to win because he can make many mistakes while a barb can't because of high hammer damage.

IMO a hammerdin can only beat a barb if he is either much better equiped or if he has significantly more skill. . .


All readers should peruse the above. This is how it is.

[Nab]

Why lie? We've only dueled 1v1 once and the result was 4-2 to me. http://thepiratebay.org/details.php?id=3439952 if you're having problems remembering.

lol, so sad when people try to impress other forumers with lies =/

[Thoridian]

Cry cause you suck? Hold shift, switch between as and zx(hammer/conc and charge vigor). Oh is that desync? I think so. I can't desync, not high enough vigor. That's why I remade you piece of **** player who is too scared to play me.

Talk more ****, but everyone is scared to duel me. Only one who had guts was retro, and well, look what happened to him.

Are you ****ing dumb? Morotsjos plays on europe realm as its been said (btw. learn to read), u dumb wannabe (censored), oh and for your info hes considered as the best BvC on europe while your just (censored) whos trying to impress my ***.

[KaythonXE]

Look me baby cry more I say swears all day I cry cause I'm scared to duel Kokoro. Me thoridian baby use harsh words wow I suck cause you suck. Rawr. Make more sense please? I can read just fine, I can type just fine. Your forum had your chance to shut me up. And the 'best barb on east' was to scared or in his accordance 'too busy/didn't want to waste time'. Yet. He wasted a good hour arguing with me? Good game?

[Thoridian]

Look me baby cry more I say swears all day I cry cause I'm scared to duel Kokoro. Me thoridian baby use harsh words wow I suck cause you suck. Rawr. Make more sense please? I can read just fine, I can type just fine. Your forum had your chance to shut me up. And the 'best barb on east' was to scared or in his accordance 'too busy/didn't want to waste time'. Yet. He wasted a good hour arguing with me? Good game?

Im scared of dueling you? JUST ****ING GET TO EUROPE AND ILL GLADLY DUEL YOU DUMB ****.

I can read just fine, Yes we've seen, its been said like 2-3 times that morotsjos, Olba and me play europe, learn to read?

And the 'best barb on east' was to scared or in his accordance 'too busy/didn't want to waste time'. Yet. He wasted a good hour arguing with me? Good game? Youre dumb e-pride kid who looks for attention, and if ur going to just run away from him AND heal then ur the one who sucks, huh?

[SicHalo]

LOL @ the guy who is telling lies about his duel with mcm.

secondly is this stupid thread still going, its like trying to reason with an idiot or retard, i mean come on u beat a few stragglers and u think ur the ****.

Come on quit the kid act and maybe u would not get such harsh responses from others.

The way i see it u cant beat anyway decent barb without desync im sorry.

I was beaten yesterday by a ladder BvC, pub duel and there was no way i could have beat this guy on tele hammer, i dont think i would even dmg him as he was playing a BvC style with widow, long WW paths etc now if u relied on tele hammer u would simply get picked apart.