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KaythonXE
10-05-2006, 14:41
Cry cry cry cry cry. Oh. And cry? Don't be mad because Kokoro(sj) > East.
If anyone wants to 1v1 or 2v2 GM USEast NL whisper me. *Kokoro(sj)
Just for fun. :) No strings attached. I need practice. :P
mainaman
10-05-2006, 14:42
It's funny how your ignorant self keeps saying mf hammerdin yet only thing with mf is enigma. :O Oh ****, you're ****ing retarded. Put your character where your mouth is or shut your trap. That's all I have to say.
make a char on east ladder and ill duel you gladly that is all i have to say...
oh and one more thing I would really count on you tele hammer on me :evil:
its the $hit you know.
and untill then maybe you should stop posting here as you sound pathetic and noobish ,sorry.
KaythonXE
10-05-2006, 14:49
I have one on East ladder. :D I guarantee you'll own it though. Wanna' try anyways? :P
mainaman
10-05-2006, 14:58
I have one on East ladder. :D I guarantee you'll own it though. Wanna' try anyways? :P
yes sure ill duel you , pm me acc and ill whisper you later today when i get back from work
morotsjos
10-05-2006, 18:17
Cry cause you suck? Hold shift, switch between as and zx(hammer/conc and charge vigor). Oh is that desync? I think so. I can't desync, not high enough vigor. That's why I remade you piece of **** player who is too scared to play me.
Talk more ****, but everyone is scared to duel me. Only one who had guts was retro, and well, look what happened to him.
you dont need vigor to desynch ignorant. dueled with hammer for more than 2 hours? then again you didn't even think desynch could be used offensively so please be silent kid.
care to address any of my other points (30k def/5k widowbarb/all your other garbage lies) or should i interpret your usual mindless blabbering as a silent admission that i'm right?
stop crying for duels btw. i'm on the other side of the damn ATLANTIC, and if you had a brain you'd realize that it means +400 ping. but sure, i'll host an open battle net (or tcp/ip whichever you prefer) game any day. come with a copy of your pathetic realm hammer and we'll see if you can manage to beat a copy of my barb ONCE, or if you're all talk like the rest of your worthless kind.
morotsjos
10-05-2006, 18:26
It's funny how your ignorant self keeps saying mf hammerdin yet only thing with mf is enigma. :O Oh ****, you're ****ing retarded. Put your character where your mouth is or shut your trap. That's all I have to say.
but you ARE a frustrated mf-kid, just like all other blabbering ignorants. you have ZERO high level dueling experience. you dont know how to desynch or even build a hammerdin properly. go back to what you do best; tele/hammer your way to diablo and baal. k?
KaythonXE
10-05-2006, 18:52
but you ARE a frustrated mf-kid, just like all other blabbering ignorants. you have ZERO high level dueling experience. you dont know how to desynch or even build a hammerdin properly. go back to what you do best; tele/hammer your way to diablo and baal. k?
ZOMG? Zero? :O Then how did I just beat a BM AA necro and a BvC working together against me? Well it wasn't desync. And, yes, they were skilled. :( So cry? Whimper some more?
ZOMG? Zero? :O Then how did I just beat a BM AA necro and a BvC working together against me? Well it wasn't desync. And, yes, they were skilled. :( So cry? Whimper some more?
How is AA skilled? Also, what the hell are you telling morotsjos to cry, since you've not dueled him. Move to EUSCNL, get a char and duel him.
As for beating people 1v2, you really think that blobs, mcm, morotsjos haven't beaten any people 1v2?
KaythonXE
10-05-2006, 19:05
Why do I tell him to cry? Look at him crying! His sentences are choppy, he's making spelling mistakes. What could do this, tears in his eyes.
Uncle_Mike
10-05-2006, 19:09
Why do I tell him to cry? Look at him crying! His sentences are choppy, he's making spelling mistakes. What could do this, tears in his eyes.
well, if you think he is crying than well, it is you who thinks so. You did say way too much in this thread to be treated seriously...
This is precisely why luis decided he would not waste his time with you. Besides, Morotsjos offered to duel you on open - how come you do not respond to this?
Mike
KaythonXE
10-05-2006, 19:42
Several reasons, I haven't figured out how to do the link. I haven't made my hammerdin in Open. I can't figure out the editor. And linking with someone in europe = mad lag correct?
Thoridian
10-05-2006, 21:02
Why do I tell him to cry? Look at him crying! His sentences are choppy, he's making spelling mistakes. What could do this, tears in his eyes.
I dont know what makes you so dumb but it really works
I dont know what makes you so dumb but it really works
Gosh, I do not know why, possibly it has something to do with the events happened in my life this week, but I'm really starting to feel like search up this KaythonXE and do something evil to him, since he's just a stubborn little mule. Kinda like you, Sho, but at least you actually _learn_ something and _try_ to listen to people.
KaythonXE
10-05-2006, 21:11
Why listen when I can TALK!? Haha. You guys get so bothered by me, maybe stop reading the thread? I think it's your own personal e-pride attempt at making me feel bad. Oh well, I have Gung Fu practice so I'll be back in like an hour. :I
mainaman
11-05-2006, 00:15
I have one on East ladder. :D I guarantee you'll own it though. Wanna' try anyways? :P
yes sure ill duel you , pm me acc and ill whisper you later today when i get back from work
are you gonna whisper me game or what?
i also pmed you you dint respond.
whts up, you will not come duel as you sugested?
even mfin hammerdin should be decent to duel so yeah i pmed you my acc whisper me
KaythonXE
11-05-2006, 02:21
Give you account? I've told mine many times. *Kokoro(sj)
morotsjos
11-05-2006, 09:36
Why do I tell him to cry? Look at him crying! His sentences are choppy, he's making spelling mistakes. What could do this, tears in his eyes.
kids who write "if I would of lost to them" are in no position to whine about "spelling mistakes".
funny that you give up on ALL my other points and resort to irrelevant crying. i take it as i am 100% right then, now dodge some more crybaby.
KaythonXE
11-05-2006, 17:08
You're no authority figure over me, thus your words of angst do nothing. Might want to check a dictionary if my vocabulary is a bit more advanced then yours. It seems you can't even puncuate.
http://i54.photobucket.com/albums/g96/KokoroSJ/Screenshot012.jpg
Remake of my build.
5k life
Better defense
Retains max block
Went from 12k to 11k damage. Oh well.
HappyAssassin
11-05-2006, 17:33
I gotta say, I'm amazed that people have continued responding to this thread as long as they have. Its true that a huge number of people who play D2 PvP have somehow gotten the idea that they are incredibly good. This whole thread is just a dressed up version of "Me so L33T, eZ pks, remake now..." Just ignore it and it goes away. Eventually, I'm sure KaythonXE will find out he's wrong, nothing he's said suggests that he has any real level of skill or understanding when it comes to hammerdins. When that day comes, there will be an amount of denial to match his pride right now.
Besides, we're looking at a guy who considers angst and, um, I don't know, cry words that demonstrate vocabulary. Have fun at Gung Foo bro, and stop making posts like this please.
Ive found this thread rather amusing. The thing about spelling and that is just lame. Ive understood that KaythonXE is from usa. And morotsjos is from europe. So complaining about spelling on the internet? I dont know how to put it, but, its just really stupid!
Hey, heres an idea, lets all start speaking dutch/swedish/norwegian/french or any other european language and mock eachother for spelling. I know it isnt the same thing with english being a "global" language and all, but still.
morotsjos
11-05-2006, 19:37
It seems you can't even puncuate.
you mean punctuate? 5k life still impossible? dodge more kid. i rest my case.
i dont get why you guys just dont play it off on open?
i dont get why you guys just dont play it off on open?
Because Kaython whines about lag, even though it's more lethal to morotsjos, who says "let's duel".
hows that lag, i play on US-east and europe....uhm i dont really notice alot, maybe 1 lagspike every hour?
28 pages of crying and the xe newb finally finds someone that wants to duel him. then he dodges... after 28 pages.. haha thats comedy. ^^
@Fart: you obviously lied about owning mcm. is your ego so big that you had to lie? and for the most part, Pet got hacked and has crap gear, i know because hes a friend of mine. beating a crap equiped bvc proves nothing. either way you got raped by mcm so it doesnt matter...
XE, dodge more please, its fun reading all your posts of you crying x)
KaythonXE
11-05-2006, 20:38
I can't figure out how to create items. o.o
go to google and look for the Hero Editer, then download an Item Database of some sort so you dont even need to make them.
KaythonXE
11-05-2006, 20:58
Several things:
This is funny: http://i54.photobucket.com/albums/g96/KokoroSJ/Crynub.jpg
This is a first to three duel versus a hammerdin(me) and a BvC(3 to 0 my win):
http://i54.photobucket.com/albums/g96/KokoroSJ/kill1.jpg
http://i54.photobucket.com/albums/g96/KokoroSJ/kill2.jpg
http://i54.photobucket.com/albums/g96/KokoroSJ/kill3.jpg
His gear:
http://i54.photobucket.com/albums/g96/KokoroSJ/gear.jpg
Our Sportsmanship:
http://i54.photobucket.com/albums/g96/KokoroSJ/talk.jpg
KaythonXE
11-05-2006, 21:00
But for let's say my pally circlet, would an Item database have it?
2 to pally skills
20 fcr
20 fhr
18 to life
78% enhanced defense
Level 2 confuse(25/25 charges)
Socketed(1)
Or my fcr rings?
unlikely... the items (d2i) tends to be exported from single player using ATMA.
KaythonXE
11-05-2006, 21:10
So I'd have to make that one right? I dunno' how.
KaythonXE
11-05-2006, 21:19
In HeroEditor I made a coronet, and when I pick Skill class only +skills I can only pick 0 or 7. o.o
In HeroEditor I made a coronet, and when I pick Skill class only +skills I can only pick 0 or 7. o.o
it should not be to hard to creat items all u have to do is remeber the properties of ur items, when on the inventry screen click Extra then get the base item, save it to the pickup and depending on the type of item click on magic usally or set, or runeword depending on item. i find with runewords, its quicker to get the runes then create first then edit the mods after to ur liking.
Edit Edit: Give me your item/character level info. I'll help you remake it.
KaythonXE
11-05-2006, 22:13
Level 90
20 into dex
rest into vita
wizspike w/ 7str 9 str(other mods don't matter) rare jewel
Eth 194% hoz
I made rings and circlet
I'll make ammy
Arachs
Up'd mages
Eth treks(dunno stats)
19/14 anni
15/18 torch
Ap nigma(15% ed the + doesn't matter, as the 20 less or more defense = nothing)
1x 19 life pcomb 1x fhr pcomb the rest of inv is 20 life scs
PM sent. Just unzip and put it in your "C:\Program Files\Diablo II\save" folder. Level 90 character with untouched points and the gears you have requested.
In HeroEditor I made a coronet, and when I pick Skill class only +skills I can only pick 0 or 7. o.o
That's just common. Most of the time you will have to put the correct value in manually, not by the scroll.
mainaman
12-05-2006, 07:36
Several things:
This is funny: http://i54.photobucket.com/albums/g96/KokoroSJ/Crynub.jpg
This is a first to three duel versus a hammerdin(me) and a BvC(3 to 0 my win):
http://i54.photobucket.com/albums/g96/KokoroSJ/kill1.jpg
http://i54.photobucket.com/albums/g96/KokoroSJ/kill2.jpg
http://i54.photobucket.com/albums/g96/KokoroSJ/kill3.jpg
His gear:
http://i54.photobucket.com/albums/g96/KokoroSJ/gear.jpg
Our Sportsmanship:
http://i54.photobucket.com/albums/g96/KokoroSJ/talk.jpg
by showing a pic of his gear you dont prove anything as we cant see what he uses except for the rends, WHICH BY ITSELF SAYIS THIS BARB WAS SOME RANOM THAT DONT KNOW WHAT HE IS DOING
i dont see no widowmaker and yes steelrends blow too high str requirements meaning that the barb would have used alot of points in str just to wear this.
Also i would take OW anyday over pure dmg that rends give although it gives cb but this all depends on the hp dmg reduction etc of ur oponment.
Thoridian
12-05-2006, 11:46
by showing a pic of his gear you dont prove anything as we cant see what he uses except for the rends, WHICH BY ITSELF SAYIS THIS BARB WAS SOME RANOM THAT DONT KNOW WHAT HE IS DOING
Word.
10 characters >.<
kaython, empty your message box
KaythonXE
12-05-2006, 13:34
I'm confused, how is the str req too high? My hammerdin hits about 180 after ammy, rings, and enigma. And BvCs put base points into str and dex? I only put base into dex.
Uncle_Mike
12-05-2006, 14:18
I'm confused, how is the str req too high? My hammerdin hits about 120 after ammy, rings, and enigma. And BvCs put base points into str and dex? I only put base into dex.
Highest str req item for a bvc is typically CoA which requires 174 str - steelrends require 185 which means that the stat distribution of the barb that you dueled may be imperfect or even heavily flawed.
Mike
KaythonXE
12-05-2006, 14:20
Sorry, I meant 180. x.x I dunno why I hit 2. I'm emptying now.
Yup, Steelrend is inferior to draculs.
I wonder why the trading value for it is still so high though. One thing I don't get.
Sorry, I meant 180. x.x I dunno why I hit 2. I'm emptying now.
Myself I doubt him putting any extra, since at least my BvC can reach:
65+38+68+38=209 str, which _is_ enough for Rends. Rends just suck, because BvC's want to deal damage even when they are not even around, thus the Rends suck. If there was no OW, all BvC's would be using Rends or Trangs.
KaythonXE
12-05-2006, 15:06
Jake. If you have time, can you make a 2-5 bo cta and a spirit shield? I can't figure out the runewords. :/ And when I put this in it deleted my helm ammy and rings. If you wouldn't mind making those(Seems you go fast, took me.. What.. hour and a half to do).
I use these:
Bone Turn
10fcr
6 str
12 dex
5 lr
5 pr
12 fr
5 cr
And:
Raven Grip
10 fcr
8 str
12 dex
27 ar
22 lite res
Amulet is:
Armageddon Slippers
2 pally skills
20 str
17 dex
59 life
58 mana
20 res
And I realised I have this shield switch
Ber'd SS
Circlet is 1 socketed(with shael)
Grim hood tiara
2 pally skills
20 fcr
20 fhr(from shael)
18 life
78% enhanced defense
Confuse lvl 2 (23/25 charges)
Defense of 90
And then that's it. :) Then someone who wants to duel tell me.
KaythonXE
12-05-2006, 15:22
Oh, here is the perfect example of a barb complaining about being a hammerdin being defensive.
http://i54.photobucket.com/albums/g96/KokoroSJ/Screenshot019.jpg
Notice how, they always expect us to attack? Anyways, I thought it was funny. He took out about 1/4 of my life, and then I stand there with cleansing on and am hammering while he watched me heal. Lol.
Oh, here is the perfect example of a barb complaining about being a hammerdin being defensive.
http://i54.photobucket.com/albums/g96/KokoroSJ/Screenshot019.jpg
Notice how, they always expect us to attack? Anyways, I thought it was funny. He took out about 1/4 of my life, and then I stand there with cleansing on and am hammering while he watched me heal. Lol.
Another bad BvC. Good ones would tele-zerk at that point.
Btw, Ce Olba, you have a char ready to duel me on open?
I do not have a BvC on Open, nor the spirits to play any games right now, since I lost a dear friend this week.
KaythonXE
12-05-2006, 15:32
I thought you had to be stationary to tele zerk? I was moving in a triangle and hammering. At 3 spots.
Btw, Ce Olba, you have a char ready to duel me on open?
Just create it. It's dead easy. Requires some clicking.
Crappy helmet actually.
mainaman
12-05-2006, 23:33
Just create it. It's dead easy. Requires some clicking.
Crappy helmet actually.
well the idea is to use the same gear ase he has in reality
Yup, Steelrend is inferior to draculs.
I wonder why the trading value for it is still so high though. One thing I don't get.
Because Draculs, while awesome, are pretty irrelevant if you have lifetap coming from a Lastwish or an Exile. The extra 5% is nice in pvp, but pretty irrelevant for PVM - if you're using either of those, Rends are even more str and 50-60% ed is nothing to sneeze at.
I think Rends are one of the rare items who's value -isnt- boosted by PVP use. Also keep in mind their drop chance = CoA drop chance.
well the idea is to use the same gear ase he has in reality
Give me 3 minutes and I have that circlet for him.
Not that I will, but it's EZ S π
swiftrunner
13-05-2006, 15:31
OMG this has got to be the longest running thread in the history of diinet lol. Anyway, stop bashing this KaythonXE guy. Yes, he's said really stupid things but at least he's taken all the challenges thrown at him and not chickened out.
OMG this has got to be the longest running thread in the history of diinet lol. Anyway, stop bashing this KaythonXE guy. Yes, he's said really stupid things but at least he's taken all the challenges thrown at him and not chickened out.
This is by no means the longest debate, just have a look at a few threads where mcm participated. As for KaythonXE, he keeps telling how "wannabe" all people are. Luis does not want to waste his time on mf hammerdins, so Kaythong makes up that Luis is a "wanna-be". Morotsjos is on Eu, but they plan to duel via TCP/IP. As for myself, I'm not in the mood to play d2, specially versus morons.
Also keep in mind their drop chance = CoA drop chance.
Dammit. Ive found 2 rends, and 0 CoA... Could use a coa waaaay more than a pair of rends... Stupid drop chances.... :rant:
just a small correction.. you can desynch as long as you have charge. AKA thas y u see smiters charging. Oh and if east is the same as west... I can recommend a place to learn desynch hammers. Go to your east CLASSIC D2 and start a hammerdin there. The duelers there desynch for a living and can teach you plenty of tricks. And btw.. they have vigor and very little plus skills.. but they can still desynch better than most expac players. Gear might be hard to come by... but you'll see some GG desynching moves and even there, barbs can give hammerdins trouble w/ a 2handed martel and no widow or tele hehe.
just a small correction.. you can desynch as long as you have charge. AKA thas y u see smiters charging. Oh and if east is the same as west... I can recommend a place to learn desynch hammers. Go to your east CLASSIC D2 and start a hammerdin there. The duelers there desynch for a living and can teach you plenty of tricks. And btw.. they have vigor and very little plus skills.. but they can still desynch better than most expac players. Gear might be hard to come by... but you'll see some GG desynching moves and even there, barbs can give hammerdins trouble w/ a 2handed martel and no widow or tele hehe.
thats a good point cuz ppl on classic dont have runewords and the chars are not as strong so they have to relly on skill to beat alot of chars.
Or start MLD duelling.
I have a level 49 Hammer/Charge paladin. You should see me desynch.
KaythonXE
14-05-2006, 21:38
I have this crazy mld bow. lvl 48 req, and like, 406% ed. 1os.
Arbedark
14-05-2006, 21:40
Or start MLD duelling.
I have a level 49 Hammer/Charge paladin. You should see me desynch.
LLD is better than MLD. :rolleyes:
KaythonXE
14-05-2006, 21:44
LLD is rather boring. Because you have 1-2 people who have the most godly **** and pay tons for stuff, and then you have the people who kinda' slap stuff together. Boring, anyways.
LLD is rather boring. Because you have 1-2 people who have the most godly **** and pay tons for stuff, and then you have the people who kinda' slap stuff together. Boring, anyways.
what are u talking about? LLD is fun cuz u cannot use cheap stuffs like enigma and u will need skill to compensate, especially on hardcore mode. MLD is not that good cuz in nm there are always those "HLD" chars join in and screw up the game.
KaythonXE
15-05-2006, 03:23
LLD does NOT need skill to compensate. It's all gear. I guarantee the most SKILLFUL of players using sigon will not beat a max damage jewel, twitch, geared paladin. No way in hell. MLD is more build and skill based, though items do play a roll. I've seen a godly mld'er die to an untwinked sorc. HLDs? Lol. There is a button that allows you to set the levels that may join.
what are u talking about? LLD is fun cuz u cannot use cheap stuffs like enigma and u will need skill to compensate, especially on hardcore mode. MLD is not that good cuz in nm there are always those "HLD" chars join in and screw up the game.
another enigma hater :rolleyes: . I've done BOTH lld and hld ALOT, i duel almost everyday with my hld and lld. IMO hld DOES require more skills than gear. and lld is more gear based rather than skill.
P.S to me enigma is a great item, it opens up so many possible builds. if there is no teleing from items allowed **including tele ammy** (which is why some people hate so much about enigma, it's because of teleing) sorc would be dominating assuming there is no excessive sorbing going on.
Meh, gear of LLD is only expensive if you're going to melee since you may want to use 15Max dmg jwls. Gear for casters are dirt cheap and that's usually where the fun is at anyway.
Charms are pretty easy to get for LLD since you can navigate the maps needed for producing these charms very easily.
As for skills, it's the same as high level dueling, except with a greater emphasis on running and evasion through frw, whereas most hld use teleport. Like hld, planning your character is key, that's part of a players skills and strategies.
Also, don't diss sigons. The sig set has very good combo mods for certain builds and it's dirt cheap. Pro-LLD might not use sigon's extensively, but when you just want to have fun and lack time to create a "1337" llder, combo's of sig's, death's, and low level uniques grant an effective overall character.
LLD is better than MLD. :rolleyes:
only diversity based, well yeah, as you see all those ww baba's in mld with all the EXACT gear :(
Meh, gear of LLD is only expensive if you're going to melee since you may want to use 15Max dmg jwls. Gear for casters are dirt cheap and that's usually where the fun is at anyway.
Charms are pretty easy to get for LLD since you can navigate the maps needed for producing these charms very easily.
As for skills, it's the same as high level dueling, except with a greater emphasis on running and evasion through frw, whereas most hld use teleport. Like hld, planning your character is key, that's part of a players skills and strategies.
Also, don't diss sigons. The sig set has very good combo mods for certain builds and it's dirt cheap. Pro-LLD might not use sigon's extensively, but when you just want to have fun and lack time to create a "1337" llder, combo's of sig's, death's, and low level uniques grant an effective overall character.
sigon is well...nice for the defensive builds but death gloves + sash = CBF and 30 ias :(
Any hammerdin's on west ladder wanna try to Pk my Werewolf?
KaythonXE
15-05-2006, 14:59
Sigon WOULD be nice very early on if you didn't need hella' strength to hold it. 75 I think for the shield? 70 for the boots. I started a wc barb and got a normal rush and found like 4 sigon parts. I didn't want to waste any points in strength, so I gave them to some kid when I was tristing. They're good for their level, yes, but they cost too much to wear stat wise.
kingdryland
15-05-2006, 15:10
Totally OT again,but a nice leveling combo for melee chars is death's belt/gloves,sigon helm/boots, twitch armor and if u are sword shield cleg's.
KaythonXE
15-05-2006, 15:42
How long has this thread bean OT anyways. :/ I didn't start the OT'dness.
MLD >>> LLD so badly.
LLD = almost melee only. MLD has the same diversity as HLD, but requires other tactics and has other builds.
I thought of my chars on my own, creating a new kind of Paladin that I've seen nobody use (except for the one who copied me). Plus the fact that you can use gear that's normally neglected (Lionheart, Rockstopper, Shaft, Oath etc) and that it's based around FRW instead of FCR is great.
Yeah, indeed.. lots of 80+ joining games my 49's are in. I beat ~60% of them, which is part of the fun.
The (german) ladder community hates me though, but that's another story.
MLD >>> LLD so badly.
LLD = almost melee only. MLD has the same diversity as HLD, but requires other tactics and has other builds.
I thought of my chars on my own, creating a new kind of Paladin that I've seen nobody use (except for the one who copied me). Plus the fact that you can use gear that's normally neglected (Lionheart, Rockstopper, Shaft, Oath etc) and that it's based around FRW instead of FCR is great.
Yeah, indeed.. lots of 80+ joining games my 49's are in. I beat ~60% of them, which is part of the fun.
The (german) ladder community hates me though, but that's another story.
omg ur on europe and you see....more melee?
LLD = 9-29 in my book.
9 = smite/kick/zeal/jab whatever.
29 = some casters, but yeah.. only a few possible builds that actually work.
49 = looooooots of builds.
LLD = 9-29 in my book.
9 = smite/kick/zeal/jab whatever.
29 = some casters, but yeah.. only a few possible builds that actually work.
49 = looooooots of builds.
9= ofc all melee
29= hammerdins/bone-necs/fireball sorcs = 60% of the ppl, rest = zealers/conc
49= mostly wwbaba/zealers with there big bad oath
49 = a lot.
Sure, WW barbs take up a bigger part than most other characters, but I usually beat them all.
49= mostly wwbaba/zealers with there big bad oath
not really, without tele amus barbs cant catch sorcs so i dont see to many barbs. not many 49 zealers around either. i mostly see bowas, javas, smiters the odd kicker, a few chargers one point smiters, bliz sorcs and liberators in no particular order.
Thoridian
15-05-2006, 20:33
not really, without tele amus barbs cant catch sorcs so i dont see to many barbs. not many 49 zealers around either. i mostly see bowas, javas, smiters the odd kicker, a few chargers one point smiters, bliz sorcs and liberators in no particular order.
There are 1k orb dmg 2k mana es lvl49 sorcs @ eu lol
There are 1k orb dmg 2k mana es lvl49 sorcs @ eu lol
o.O on nl?
happen to know who?
They either miss a crucial synergy or cold mastery.
Or just have a sucky %ES (prebuffing = *** and too much work).
I stick with my 18x cold mastery, 5K blizz, 800/580 Blizz <3.
KaythonXE
15-05-2006, 23:40
A lld hammerdin is really only effective against melee builds, and maybe wind druids. It's hard to catch a sorc with tele, and now you have to do it with charge? Sure there is desync, but, try beating a defensive sorc, or a zon with knockback. Near impossible.
A lld hammerdin is really only effective against melee builds, and maybe wind druids. It's hard to catch a sorc with tele, and now you have to do it with charge? Sure there is desync, but, try beating a defensive sorc, or a zon with knockback. Near impossible.
Dead easy.
Desynch renders the amazon as useless. My lvl 49 din has yet to lose (as in best of 5) versus a bowazon. My friend has the best Bowa on EuSCL and I beat him easily. The #2 zon gives me a bit more trouble, since he plays differently, but I can still kill him easily.
Even with KB.
Desynch = faster than GA. That #2 zon says I can't use Vigor and Charge at the same time, but hell.. that's not my rule.
Sorcs need a lot of skill to kill me. I happen to have the best equipped Sorc on EuSCL (well, maybe there's 1 who's similar). They never see charge coming.
KaythonXE
05-06-2006, 15:38
You must duel a lot of people who don't know what their doing.
morotsjos
05-06-2006, 15:44
You must duel a lot of people who don't know what their doing.
says the ignorant who claims owning all barbs with a ****ty telehammer.
desynch isn't hard, i suggest you try it.
Thoridian
05-06-2006, 15:58
You must duel a lot of people who don't know what their doing.
Just quit, you already proved us that you`re stupid wannabe.
KaythonXE
05-06-2006, 16:09
Why use it when I don't need to against ****ty barbs? :(
morotsjos
05-06-2006, 17:25
Why use it when I don't need to against ****ty barbs? :(
cause you only duel garbage. sorry ignorant.
KaythonXE
05-06-2006, 18:58
No. ANY sorc that gets killed by desync is trash.
No. ANY sorc that gets killed by desync is trash.
hmm not really i killed few offensive sorcs by desyncing, creating hammerfields over the bloodmoor and stray hammers can kill.
Against Defensive this can be harder, hence why i use a hybrid
Sorc's only get killed cause they can't teleport back to Akara fast enough .
KaythonXE
05-06-2006, 19:10
Any sorc that teles after a desyncing hammerdin is trash. You cannot kill a defensive sorc with desync. Lyrs you suck, duel me?
No doubt he plays some other realm.
morotsjos
05-06-2006, 19:10
No. ANY sorc that gets killed by desync is trash.
obviously. the desynch master has spoken. all hail.
KaythonXE
05-06-2006, 19:13
You all assume I can't desync, I don't really need to in most cases. Besides, desyncing isn't much fun. I prefer a challenge.
Any sorc that teles after a desyncing hammerdin is trash. You cannot kill a defensive sorc with desync. Lyrs you suck, duel me?
No doubt he plays some other realm.
listen ur saying this but u dont know how to desync from what i read ur still using tele hammer.
Edit
I find desyncing fun when ppl cry wtf laggs or something like that it helps in alot of case i can name a good few fights where desync has helped me,
vs Windies
vs Trappers
vs "decent" BvCs
all of these fights u can not win with just a tele hammer out of the top a good druid is the hardest to beat on tele hammer alone.
mainaman
05-06-2006, 19:15
listen ur saying this but u dont know how to desync from what i read ur still using tele hammer.
he has proven many times he is a wanna be ,one of the thick heads that show up in these forums and will never consider any sort of discussion nor admit they aren't as good as they claim to be...
KaythonXE
05-06-2006, 19:17
I will admit to it when a barbarian owns me like you say they can.
KaythonXE
05-06-2006, 19:21
Mm. I use tele hammers on BvCs, but I don't always tele on TOP of them. Around them. Trappers I'll sometimes use it, but most of the times I'll just put on sorb. :O Cause in pub duels I don't really care. Windies I've found I can charge hammer in a triangle and then charge into the center of the triangle, they'll commonly tele on top of me and get hit by many hammers simultaneously. Even so, my life and fhr is good enough to tank most of them, even WITHOUT dr gear on(8% instead of 50%).
morotsjos
05-06-2006, 19:25
Mm. I use tele hammers on BvCs, but I don't always tele on TOP of them. Around them. Trappers I'll sometimes use it, but most of the times I'll just put on sorb. :O Cause in pub duels I don't really care. Windies I've found I can charge hammer in a triangle and then charge into the center of the triangle, they'll commonly tele on top of me and get hit by many hammers simultaneously. Even so, my life and fhr is good enough to tank most of them, even WITHOUT dr gear on(8% instead of 50%).
of course. personally i just clear pubs in seconds with my 5k guided rofl. i also wear shield cuz more dmg.
KaythonXE
05-06-2006, 19:29
Sarcasm is your only weapon.
Sarcasm is your only weapon.
Disagreeing and lying is your only weapon. If I knew you in real life, I'd hand a black rose of death to you,smile and walk away to the sunset or shadows.
Hm. You must like me or something. Black roses are a sign of affection.
But another meaning of them is also a wish of death, that's why they're rarely available in flowerstores. If I liked you, I would give you a red rose.
KaythonXE
05-06-2006, 19:38
Hm. You must like me or something. Black roses are a sign of affection.
well like i said a gg trapper will make a ezpk out of a hammerdin who dont know how to desync i mean as u said rellying on abs is not really an answer cuz even so. if this is a WW/trap sin varient they will simply have u locked up with WOF mb and normal trap and WW u to death also some other scary things to factor is the 60% claw block which can block nearly all spells including hammer and smite :O
Vs a good druid u need more strategy than this as most druids, the miniute they lose minnion stack go defensive to recast and simply rinse and repeat the technique untill ur dead. Again vs a good windy u will find it hard with low dr, i usally duel all mele with 25% dr and a good windy still can give trouble.
Why doesnt anyone duel this guy.
Lyrs you suck, duel me? No doubt he plays some other realm.
Haha. Reread my post. Your mind seems to be clouded by anger. Chill down and get some fresh air.
As for a duel, go read the previous pages. I've already offered to have a GM duel with you. I have yet to see your response here or on bnet. However, if you're going to be just another bm pub who lacks the courtesy to ask for a duel in a decent way, then I'm not going to bother even setting up a time to duel you. As it is, you don't look too different from all the other childish pub duelers that I can duel anytime I want.
KaythonXE
05-06-2006, 19:52
I stopped reading the thread. Give me your account, I'll duel you. >.< I dunno', I have just luck or something versus windies. And no ww/trap variant will EVER lock me in a wof lock. First there is next delay, second I have charge. Lol.
morotsjos
05-06-2006, 19:52
Sarcasm is your only weapon.
ignorance is yours. i win.
KaythonXE
05-06-2006, 19:56
It'd be my flaw, not a weapon. Anyways, insult me more. It makes me feel good inside that I'm affecting your emotions sooooo much you result to erage.
Btw Lyrs I looked back about 6 pages, I see no offers to duel gm. Tell me what page it is on, or give me your account. Mine is *Kokoro(sj)
Thoridian
05-06-2006, 19:59
Sarcasm is your only weapon.
Stupidity is your only weapon.
Also please move to EU SCNL :( I want to duel you there
KaythonXE
05-06-2006, 20:06
I dueled Ruis's BvA. :O He lost.
RetroStar lost.
mainaman
05-06-2006, 20:10
I dueled Ruis's BvA. :O He lost.
RetroStar lost.you lost to jerion so stfu
go play backgammon where no skill is needed
KaythonXE
05-06-2006, 20:12
Lost? Lol. 3-3. Tie plz?
1-3 til I switched to DR gear. Then he suddenly started getting constant LAG when I bumped up to 3-3. Fright. Yes.
mainaman
05-06-2006, 20:15
Lost? Lol. 3-3. Tie plz?
1-3 til I switched to DR gear. Then he suddenly started getting constant LAG when I bumped up to 3-3. Fright. Yes.think of more excuses nooblet, you are anoying just let it go and go duel noob barbs and claim you are #1 w/e ,the whole forum saw what you worth KaythonXE=0
KaythonXE
05-06-2006, 20:36
http://i54.photobucket.com/albums/g96/KokoroSJ/untitled.jpg
My paladin > you
mainaman
05-06-2006, 20:54
http://i54.photobucket.com/albums/g96/KokoroSJ/untitled.jpg
My paladin > you
mhm i see that finally you learned how to use hero editor FINALY
also work on those fire res cuz they kinda low dont you think
what was your hammerdins life again like 4.7k or so don't remember exactly
and this is on nl with all the dupes...weak my man
my hammerdin on ladder has 5k already so again you are a wanna be please uninstall and go play with the kids in the pool
KaythonXE
05-06-2006, 20:55
Hero editor. That's a realm game.
Still can't use it. >.<
Lost? Lol. 3-3. Tie plz?
1-3 til I switched to DR gear. Then he suddenly started getting constant LAG when I bumped up to 3-3. Fright. Yes.
Is it me or do these results change???
i thought i saw a different score a few pages back :shocked:
Arbedark
05-06-2006, 20:59
Hero editor. That's a realm game.
Still can't use it. >.<
Who can say high level party BO barb and Oak druid?
I'm also tempted to say he's shifted behind those screens using beast, since charge isnt displaying the damage or AR :rolleyes:
Only possible way for a Realm game.
By the way guys, giving him the benefit of the doubt here, and saying it isnt a bad photoshop attempt
mainaman
05-06-2006, 21:03
Hero editor. That's a realm game.
Still can't use it. >.<well learn how to its simple ,but oh wait you are sipmle too i forgot
Look man seriosly drop that topic and find something else to do .enjoy the game dont become a slave of it
Who can say high level party BO barb and Oak druid?
I'm also tempted to say he's shifted behind those screens using beast, since charge isnt displaying the damage or AR :rolleyes:
Only possible way for a Realm game.
By the way guys, giving him the benefit of the doubt here, and saying it isnt a bad photoshop attempt
Hehe i like that :laugh:
but true by showing this pic who are u trying to impress?? :cry:
KaythonXE
05-06-2006, 21:11
You got it right Arbedark. :D We were playing around with a beast. :P
morotsjos
05-06-2006, 21:52
It'd be my flaw, not a weapon. Anyways, insult me more. It makes me feel good inside that I'm affecting your emotions sooooo much you result to erage.
Btw Lyrs I looked back about 6 pages, I see no offers to duel gm. Tell me what page it is on, or give me your account. Mine is *Kokoro(sj)
not insults, truth. i'm not the one spamming literally pages of totally mindless blabbering and obvious lack of basic math/logic/knowledge/common sense, not to mention the teary excuses when you lost lol. pure entertainment. you even post worthless pics of 12k life pala to raise e-pride =)
if you excuse me ima go have some more fun with my 5k guided barb (which is used with the sole intent of killing other chars!!!!1111) hehe. shield is godly. i also have 20k life and 8 fps tele and kill everything in 1 hit. yawn.
not insults, truth. i'm not the one spamming literally pages of totally mindless blabbering and obvious lack of basic math/logic/knowledge/common sense, not to mention the teary excuses when you lost lol. pure entertainment. you even post worthless pics of 12k life pala to raise e-pride =)
if you excuse me ima go have some more fun with my 5k guided barb (which is used with the sole intent of killing other chars!!!!1111) hehe. shield is godly. i also have 20k life and 8 fps tele and kill everything in 1 hit. yawn.
Do not forget the 1 frame teleport and telebash killing everyone in 1 hit.
HappyAssassin
05-06-2006, 21:59
I recommend a different forum for yah, it's full of people like you.
http://forums.d2jsp.org/index.php?showforum=85
You should be right at home with all the excuses and people claiming they never lose. Good luck. Peace.
KaythonXE
05-06-2006, 22:03
says the ignorant who claims owning all barbs with a ****ty telehammer.
desynch isn't hard, i suggest you try it.
cause you only duel garbage. sorry ignorant.
Both pretty mindless. You're not stressing a point, a unique point. And you mindlessly forgot grammar. Great job.
I recommend a different forum for yah, it's full of people like you.
http://forums.d2jsp.org/index.php?showforum=85
You should be right at home with all the excuses and people claiming they never lose. Good luck. Peace.
lol thats reasons why i never post their to many wannabes and ppl that still think BOTD >Grief etc.
morotsjos
05-06-2006, 23:30
Both pretty mindless. You're not stressing a point, a unique point. And you mindlessly forgot grammar. Great job.
hi ignorant. there is no way for teleporting hammerdins to kill good barbs consistently. especially not ones with 5k guided and shield for extra high damage. what is hard to understand?
lol if i had 5k guilded arrow on my barb i would simply ga u to death the whole duel
what is hard to understand?
What's hard to understand are the extreme biases at work here. I won't mention names, though. If you suspect I am talking about you...well then, you just may be the one I'm talking about. Chances are no one gives a damn either way, though.
Romper Stomper
06-06-2006, 02:53
http://i54.photobucket.com/albums/g96/KokoroSJ/untitled.jpg
My paladin > you
Hi, would you be so kind as to tell us what hacks you use? Last time I checked, Magic Find doesn't show up on the char screen, so now that we know you use some form of third party program, you might as well let it be known exactly which.
Also curious why you cropped the image.. Some bright orange text appear in the top right by chance?
Nice fire res btw.
morotsjos
06-06-2006, 09:41
What's hard to understand are the extreme biases at work here. I won't mention names, though. If you suspect I am talking about you...well then, you just may be the one I'm talking about. Chances are no one gives a damn either way, though.
who cares what you think? as far as i'm concerned you're just another random ignorant. anyone with some high level dueling experience knows that competent barbs will not succumb consistently to teleporting hammerdins. i am right.
who cares what you think? as far as i'm concerned you're just another random ignorant. anyone with some high level dueling experience knows that competent barbs will not succumb consistently to teleporting hammerdins. i am right.
I can totally agree with this. The only way telehammers work are:
a) catching the barb off guard when he's not focused (happens to me, rarely. Doesn't happen to good barbs)
b) teleporting in from of the barb's long whirls (good barbs don't do long enough whirls for this. This is the strategy the RIP people use.
I can totally agree with this. The only way telehammers work are:
a) catching the barb off guard when he's not focused (happens to me, rarely. Doesn't happen to good barbs)
b) teleporting in from of the barb's long whirls (good barbs don't do long enough whirls for this. This is the strategy the RIP people use.
yeah but even so tele hammer is just....
so predictable i mean as u stated u can catch ppl off guard, i.e if they bo or talking or not focused but other than this no, oh yeah maybe the rare occassion when u catch the barb with the bow out.
But even when i long WW if i see u tele infront i stop switch and GA you.
This is why desync wins becasue desync movements are unpredicatable and help create invisible hammers or fields that can stray and kill.
Maybe people are slightly biased but when u create a thread that pretty much is saying Hammer>BvC and a guy claiming he can "rape" all BvCs of course the thread is going to be with ppl that uses these 2 different chars alot including, myself to defend the fact that the statement is incorrect.
ParaDox68
06-06-2006, 13:41
Nice fire res btw.
LAWL >.<
Dox
:thumbsup: lol kaython braggin but he gave away fact that he duels with hacks o.o
tsk tsk
morotsjos
06-06-2006, 15:30
:thumbsup: lol kaython braggin but he gave away fact that he duels with hacks o.o
tsk tsk
ONLY MAPHACK!!!111 LEGIT CUZ NO AFFACT DUELLOZ!!!111
that life is impossible to achieve anyway, probably from his saved single player char.
u duel on open bnet? :wink2:
He already admitted that he used beast.
Arbedark
06-06-2006, 17:05
that life is impossible to achieve anyway, probably from his saved single player char.
u duel on open bnet? :wink2:
Beast, 5x BO from Barb, 4x Oak from a partied Druid. Easy enough...
Lost? Lol. 3-3. Tie plz?
1-3 til I switched to DR gear. Then he suddenly started getting constant LAG when I bumped up to 3-3. Fright. Yes.
Wait, so it wasn't your Medic after all? I'm confused.
KaythonXE
10-06-2006, 01:40
It was. But my Medic can wear ss. >.o
You all assume I mean tele on top of him. Really I tele around them and leave hammer fields. Desync is boring, it's impossible to tell if you are doing it, to my knowledge. If I wanted to desync like a crazy random I'd put on better armour like Shaftstop for the dr. I have enigma for a reason. Tele hammer doesn't have to mean tele on top. I commonly tele into the path of a ww and hammer. You guys just keep whining. It's maphack, I put it on to look at people's gear. I cropped the image because for some reason otherwise it would make the resolution much lower and you could not see anything.
http://i54.photobucket.com/albums/g96/KokoroSJ/Screenshot042.jpg
Same picture. My fire res isn't ****ty, I have a bo spirit and cta on. Meaning that's +70 res to all of my res, providing I'm using hoto and a spirit. Which I do. Sometimes I use wizspike. Beast was on my switch though, and I was attempting to hide the fact that I used it. Which seemed to work well against you illiterate newbies. I mean. OMG HAXOR LOOK IT'S HIS OPEN B.NET CHAR LOLZ LOLZ. You just got pwnt by an open realm char kid. It actually wasn't that good. 47 bo, 33 oak, beastz.
It was. But my Medic can wear ss. >.o
You all assume I mean tele on top of him. Really I tele around them and leave hammer fields. Desync is boring, it's impossible to tell if you are doing it, to my knowledge. If I wanted to desync like a crazy random I'd put on better armour like Shaftstop for the dr. I have enigma for a reason. Tele hammer doesn't have to mean tele on top. I commonly tele into the path of a ww and hammer. You guys just keep whining. It's maphack, I put it on to look at people's gear. I cropped the image because for some reason otherwise it would make the resolution much lower and you could not see anything.
http://i54.photobucket.com/albums/g96/KokoroSJ/Screenshot042.jpg
Same picture. My fire res isn't ****ty, I have a bo spirit and cta on. Meaning that's +70 res to all of my res, providing I'm using hoto and a spirit. Which I do. Sometimes I use wizspike. Beast was on my switch though, and I was attempting to hide the fact that I used it. Which seemed to work well against you illiterate newbies. I mean. OMG HAXOR LOOK IT'S HIS OPEN B.NET CHAR LOLZ LOLZ. You just got pwnt by an open realm char kid. It actually wasn't that good. 47 bo, 33 oak, beastz.
Agree. A good hammerdin uses charge and tele and no matter what blobs says tele is not an invitation for free hits. I don't know whay you guys have been discussing for 5 pages (I use 20 posts per page) so would someone fill me in?
It was. But my Medic can wear ss. >.o
You all assume I mean tele on top of him. Really I tele around them and leave hammer fields. Desync is boring, it's impossible to tell if you are doing it, to my knowledge. If I wanted to desync like a crazy random I'd put on better armour like Shaftstop for the dr. I have enigma for a reason. Tele hammer doesn't have to mean tele on top. I commonly tele into the path of a ww and hammer. You guys just keep whining. It's maphack, I put it on to look at people's gear. I cropped the image because for some reason otherwise it would make the resolution much lower and you could not see anything.
http://i54.photobucket.com/albums/g96/KokoroSJ/Screenshot042.jpg
Same picture. My fire res isn't ****ty, I have a bo spirit and cta on. Meaning that's +70 res to all of my res, providing I'm using hoto and a spirit. Which I do. Sometimes I use wizspike. Beast was on my switch though, and I was attempting to hide the fact that I used it. Which seemed to work well against you illiterate newbies. I mean. OMG HAXOR LOOK IT'S HIS OPEN B.NET CHAR LOLZ LOLZ. You just got pwnt by an open realm char kid. It actually wasn't that good. 47 bo, 33 oak, beastz.
You have been proven time and time again you are wrong and have no idea what your talking about by countless people.
I'll gadly point out your flaw in this current post. Shaftstop isn't a light armour and would make you desynch less.
Over.
Romper Stomper
10-06-2006, 05:14
http://i54.photobucket.com/albums/g96/KokoroSJ/Screenshot042.jpg
Answer the question, which hack do you use?
DuffMacane
10-06-2006, 07:32
I can't believe I've read almost half the entire thread, but one thing confuses me. the thread opener maintains that he has beat barbs such as luis and few others I can't remember. Is this true? Because if it is...isn't he taking the whole diabloii.net barbs by himself?
Oh and people keep flaming him. Not that there's much wrong with it.
I can't believe I've read almost half the entire thread, but one thing confuses me. the thread opener maintains that he has beat barbs such as luis and few others I can't remember. Is this true? Because if it is...isn't he taking the whole diabloii.net barbs by himself?
Oh and people keep flaming him. Not that there's much wrong with it.
he didnt beat anyone, and when some bvc barb beat him, he claims that they are playing his medic, how funny is that?
So what hack u use btw? KaythonXE
Phyrexial
10-06-2006, 10:13
he didnt beat anyone, and when some bvc barb beat him, he claims that they are playing his medic, how funny is that?
So what hack u use btw? KaythonXE
He already stated it was maphack.
kavehtabriaz
10-06-2006, 10:21
can he get banned here for using mh ,if he is active in trades formus
kingdryland
10-06-2006, 11:30
I think mh use is disaproved but not a reason for banning,unless he offers here items that were found during the use of it.
Answer the question, which hack do you use?
he uses maphack, just like lots of people on this forum. from what ive seen he needs to get his post count over 2k if he wants to negate the anti map hack flamers. and no, i dont have maphack and never have.
Phyrexial
10-06-2006, 20:32
So, let's stay on topic.
Guy1: "I pwn all BvCs wit my uber hammerdin skillz"
Guy2: "No way"
Guy3: "u suk noob, BvC > hammerdin"
Guy4: "My BvC will pwn joo noob, duelz?"
We're still looking for Guy4 on East NL to settle this.
morotsjos
10-06-2006, 20:52
no matter what blobs says tele is not an invitation for free hits.
of course it is. why do you think all teledins use oak/wolves? maybe cause they're dead meat otherwise?
of course it is. why do you think all teledins use oak/wolves? maybe cause they're dead meat otherwise?
That doesn't make sense; teledins use oak for the life boost thus reducing damage/having the barb hit oak first. I assume the wolves was a typo. I don't use oak because some consider it BM. Plus the barb gains a little HP by killing the oak
morotsjos
11-06-2006, 09:46
That doesn't make sense; teledins use oak for the life boost thus reducing damage/having the barb hit oak first. I assume the wolves was a typo. I don't use oak because some consider it BM. Plus the barb gains a little HP by killing the oak
no typo. oak/wolves is used only to soak up hits. they make teledins about 10 times more durable vs barbs. the life leeched is completely negliable. using minions is the only way to not get crushed unless you desynch.
i still dont see how tele hammer is the way to win.
If u tele in front of a barb i simply stop WW i never WW long enough to have that technique work on me.
Also like i said i faced a decent ladder BvC and we went 2-2 in a duel the first i won cuz i had the edge on mage with foh the second after he stacked me it turned more into a 50/50 fight and like i said tele hammer does not work cuz when ur trying to tele onto a WW that is desyncing u will get hit alot.
And this was with me desyncing and a little tele hammer. I recon he could have flawless me if i just relied on tele hammer cuz when i use my bvc alot use this technique and i find it surprisingly easy to counter, i.e long WW thats not too long, some leaping and Ga etc.
And also using mh is kinda lame imo cuz it can give an unfair edge over certain opponments.
So, let's stay on topic.
Guy1: "I pwn all BvCs wit my uber hammerdin skillz"
Guy2: "No way"
Guy3: "u suk noob, BvC > hammerdin"
Guy4: "My BvC will pwn joo noob, duelz?"
We're still looking for Guy4 on East NL to settle this.
i though Jerron or something beat this guy already even though he did claim it was a medic....
no typo. oak/wolves is used only to soak up hits. they make teledins about 10 times more durable vs barbs. the life leeched is completely negliable. using minions is the only way to not get crushed unless you desynch.
How do hammerdins summon wolves? Also desync almost never works vs. good bvcs because if you try to IBH they wo't chase you; they'll just shoot GA at you
i still dont see how tele hammer is the way to win.
Tele hammer isn't the way to win but tele is sometimes necessary to get out of a WW as walking won't get out of the range of a zerk axe quickly enough
How do hammerdins summon wolves? Also desync almost never works vs. good bvcs because if you try to IBH they wo't chase you; they'll just shoot GA at you
Crescent Moon, the runeword one, has 30 Summon Spirit Wolf charges. Also, Eternity could work with it's revive charges.
Crescent Moon, the runeword one, has 30 Summon Spirit Wolf charges. Also, Eternity could work with it's revive charges.
I've never seen a hammerdin use those before though, and they shouldn't need to.
Nice 1337 post count ce olba :thumbsup:
morotsjos
11-06-2006, 18:26
How do hammerdins summon wolves? Also desync almost never works vs. good bvcs because if you try to IBH they wo't chase you; they'll just shoot GA at you
Tele hammer isn't the way to win but tele is sometimes necessary to get out of a WW as walking won't get out of the range of a zerk axe quickly enough
crescent moon. point with desynch is that barb cant see you, nor your hammers. widow does pathetic damage anyway so it's not a threat. invisible hammers on the other hand are.
The OW does do enough damage to make the pally turn offensive against you. And the IBH isn't a threat if the barb doesn't want to chase
crescent moon. point with desynch is that barb cant see you, nor your hammers. widow does pathetic damage anyway so it's not a threat. invisible hammers on the other hand are.
Well, if you take off crescent moon after use the charge to cast summon, the summon will go ! poof.
Won't work, otherwise everyone will be minion-stacking.
Well, if you take off crescent moon after use the charge to cast summon, the summon will go ! poof.
Won't work, otherwise everyone will be minion-stacking.
He means that you keep crescent moon on since most hammerdins can hit at least 10k hammers fine without hoto. They'll just have crapier cast rate with minion stack
The OW does do enough damage to make the pally turn offensive against you. And the IBH isn't a threat if the barb doesn't want to chase
u missed the point desync makes the pala hard to be seen, i.e u cant keep up with it visual or on minimap and i wot i have done tons of times is being able to creat a hammerfield of invs hammers trapping the oponment inside and what you cant see u possibly cant dodge.
EDIT
as morotsjos said a pala is able to come in ur face without u even realising before its too late.
Also minnion stack is used alot as mentioned HvH minnion stack is needed as this is a type of duel that consists more of luck and who has the most hp so ppl use revives and and wolves for this.
morotsjos
11-06-2006, 19:49
The OW does do enough damage to make the pally turn offensive against you. And the IBH isn't a threat if the barb doesn't want to chase
any pally who knows what he's doing has no problems desynching straight up and cast hammers in your face without you seeing anything at all. offensive desynch is very effective vs barbs. teleport is not.
you cant hit charging paladins with guided very easy at all. vigor+charge is faster than ga. not to mention that you only have 35% chance to trigger 1/2-dmg ow with the 25% of the arrows that actually bypass block. negliable, not to mention that good hammerdins play offensive enough to give you very little time to fire arrows.
morotsjos
11-06-2006, 19:51
Won't work, otherwise everyone will be minion-stacking.
they already do. it's commonly used in hvh and hvb. the latter because teledins are doomed without it.
u missed the point desync makes the pala hard to be seen, i.e u cant keep up with it visual or on minimap and i wot i have done tons of times is being able to creat a hammerfield of invs hammers trapping the oponment inside and what you cant see u possibly cant dodge.
EDIT
as morotsjos said a pala is able to come in ur face without u even realising before its too late.
Also minnion stack is used alot as mentioned HvH minnion stack is needed as this is a type of duel that consists more of luck and who has the most hp so ppl use revives and and wolves for this.
I doubt the barb will stay long enough for you to trap him
any pally who knows what he's doing has no problems desynching straight up and cast hammers in your face without you seeing anything at all. offensive desynch is very effective vs barbs. teleport is not.
you cant hit charging paladins with guided very easy at all. vigor+charge is faster than ga. not to mention that you only have 35% chance to trigger 1/2-dmg ow with the 25% of the arrows that actually bypass block. negliable, not to mention that good hammerdins play offensive enough to give you very little time to fire arrows.
Random desync WWs will make the pally think twice about charging you, but I have never really used desync offensively except vs. casters and I'll give it a shot. It seems that it would be hard to get close enough for the hamers to hit without actually charging the barb
Romper Stomper
11-06-2006, 20:56
I've had several desync/tele hams use eternity revives on me. Life tap that ****.
blobswannabe
11-06-2006, 23:29
I've had several desync/tele hams use eternity revives on me. Life tap that ****.
it's better to just take a piss, get a drink or take a short tap while his minions expire. Imagine the feeling of wasting all the gold on revivdes charges.
KaythonXE; has anyone dueled you yet? Dont feel like reading 43 pages of crying.
Anyways, I'll like to duel you with my barb. I'm on USeast Ladder.
Nvm, read some pages and found out that your nl, ah well. Lets be real here though, if your using bugged/hacked items then your only cheating yourself, but if your actually legit and still winning, grats to you.
mainaman
12-06-2006, 00:42
KaythonXE; has anyone dueled you yet? Dont feel like reading 43 pages of crying.
Anyways, I'll like to duel you with my barb. I'm on USeast Ladder.
Nvm, read some pages and found out that your nl, ah well. Lets be real here though, if your using bugged/hacked items then your only cheating yourself, but if your actually legit and still winning, grats to you.
nah he uses dupes
and also he has lost to somebody but wouldn't admit it
while he beat some ppl and made it world wide news....
KaythonXE; has anyone dueled you yet? Dont feel like reading 43 pages of crying.
Anyways, I'll like to duel you with my barb. I'm on USeast Ladder.
Nvm, read some pages and found out that your nl, ah well. Lets be real here though, if your using bugged/hacked items then your only cheating yourself, but if your actually legit and still winning, grats to you.
Argh! So close.
morotsjos
12-06-2006, 14:50
I doubt the barb will stay long enough for you to trap him
Random desync WWs will make the pally think twice about charging you, but I have never really used desync offensively except vs. casters and I'll give it a shot. It seems that it would be hard to get close enough for the hamers to hit without actually charging the barb
you dont have to charge in his face if he's wwing. ww is also pretty easy to predict, unlike charge. just desynch closer and closer, if you do it right it is nearly impossible to avoid unless he's leaping constantly. in any case you put pressure on the barb and get him on the defense which is good.
if you suck and screw up you'll die easier charging than teleporting though, i'll give you that. although pallies are supposed to maintain full block/def while charging apparently something happens which makes them easier to hit. halp?
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although pallies are supposed to maintain full block/def while charging apparently something happens which makes them easier to hit. halp?
IIRC during most of charge the paladin (while the paladin is moving) is considered to be running, therefore zero defense and 1/3rd blocking. It's only at the very end of the charge, when the paladin actually attempts to swing his weapon and hit the target, that it's considered an attack (thus full block/def). The statistics forum could probably elaborate more or offer definitive evidence one way or the other.
KaythonXE
14-06-2006, 08:10
Just waiting for someone to duel me.. Actually. :/ Hammerdin > Mage. Mages suck. Like.. Crappy V/ts, and I've only seen a few good V/ts.
How come all you gung-ho 'mah bvc greater than your hammerdin' people are all talk? Every time I kill a BvC I say owned just because of my spitefullness because of you malicious people. You want to know WHY Hammerdin > BvC?
Hammers ALWAYS hit and do two to three times more damage than a BvC's whirlwind. Hammers can't be reduced by any real amount to make it less effective while dr destroy's ww's potential. OW which would be a factor can be nullified with a decent level prayer aura.
Oh yeah. And WW requires AR to hit.
Only duped item I use is Slippers. And BvC's use 37x 32020s ALL duped? Pfft.
Hack I use is Spetznaz MACV. Map and char viewer.
I believe it's only 1/3 block, defense does remain what it is.
nah not really hammerdin>mage at all. I can kill alot of hamerdins, maybe the mages that base themselves more towards foh as you simply stack the foh and they are left with mediocre hammer dmg but if they are highly based on hammer dmg like mine, 10k hammer with my setup and still pulling 4.5k foh vs mele or 5.2k foh vs 9.8k hammer you will see what i mean.
ooh an prayer is healing lol just like anyone who use medi etc and no prayer does not negate high ow dmg enough and as someone stated earlier you would need an extremely high lvl prayer to negate it anyway.
Damn i wish we was on the same realm...
Why am i not surprised full of BS as usual, you put a few little stats on paper and compare like this and think its proof?
And if this was the case explain to me how you lost, what was it 5-2???
Stop the therocrafting!!
mainaman
14-06-2006, 14:18
nah not really hammerdin>mage at all. I can kill alot of hamerdins, maybe the mages that base themselves more towards foh as you simply stack the foh and they are left with mediocre hammer dmg but if they are highly based on hammer dmg like mine, 10k hammer with my setup and still pulling 4.5k foh vs mele or 5.2k foh vs 9.8k hammer you will see what i mean.
ooh an prayer is healing lol just like anyone who use medi etc and no prayer does not negate high ow dmg enough and as someone stated earlier you would need an extremely high lvl prayer to negate it anyway.
Damn i wish we was on the same realm...
Why am i not surprised full of BS as usual, you put a few little stats on paper and compare like this and think its proof?
And if this was the case explain to me how you lost, what was it 5-2???
Stop the therocrafting!!
im just waiting for the reset and well see how good hammerdin he is
@ KaytonXE no dupes on my barb so no xcuses after you lose, oh and as for the ar I have plenty dont worry ,my ww's will hit you very well
Uncle_Mike
14-06-2006, 15:07
Oh yeah. And WW requires AR to hit.
Captain obvious to the rescue :shocked:
We all know that and bvcs have enough ar to hit you, and really it does not take a full inv of 3 20 20s – far from it. And ow>prayer as calculated before. Besides, if you are the kind of noob who uses prayer during the duel and I am even happier Luis did not waste his time dueling you.
Besides, once you use prayer you suddenly become a medic so there is no longer a hammerdin to be killed.
Pure tele hammer is a joke, unless you desynch or the barb lags badly you are dead meet. Period. Do the barbs that you own have a fancy aura around them and are wielding a big two-hander?
Mike
Do the barbs that you own have a fancy aura around them and are wielding a big two-hander?
IK barb to the rescue!
*Sigh*
Someone close this topic :prop:
kingdryland
14-06-2006, 18:02
*Sigh*
Someone close this topic :prop:
Even if it closes,it will merely be transformed into a similar thread under a different name.
Even if it closes,it will merely be transformed into a similar thread under a different name.
true this is just a mere troll attempt.
At first i kinda supported him as everyone is entitled to an oppinion no matter what it is as long as you can express why you agree and dissagree with something. But as these threads progressed all i am seeing is what a morron he really is.
Hammers ALWAYS hit and do two to three times more damage than a BvC's whirlwind.
But the barb also has 2k more life. Gogo.
Hammers can't be reduced by any real amount to make it less effective while dr destroy's ww's potential. OW which would be a factor can be nullified with a decent level prayer aura.
At mcm's lvl (96), his ow does 73 dmg per second, or 146 per 2 seconds. To negate that with prayer, you need lvl 63 prayer, which is _clearly_ impossible. And no, your precious 20 repl life is by _far_ not 20 life/sec, it's more like 2 life/sec.
Oh yeah. And WW requires AR to hit.
Oh and BvCs can easily get 25k AR.
Only duped item I use is Slippers. And BvC's use 37x 32020s ALL duped? Pfft.
My barb has easily 25k AR with enchant with _no_ 32020's. He uses 3x 12x-13x/3x ar/life gcs, 1x 20/33, a 5/15 fhr/ar sc, a 2/12/5 max/ar/fhr sc, 2x fhr scs apart from the two mentioned, and rest is 20 life scs.
Hack I use is Spetznaz MACV. Map and char viewer.
Gogo hacks.
I cant believe ppl actually talk to this guy after he comfirmed he hacks..
Thoridian
14-06-2006, 22:02
Hes just dumb attention whore
Hes just dumb attention whore
I cant believe ppl actually talk to this guy after he comfirmed he hacks..
He's a lot of fun. Especially since I drink cola and wear a white collar t-shirt. Gosh, I gotta beg that he doesn't post another ridiculous claim so that my shirt would get dirty. Only got 1 more _clean_ white collar shirt. COLLARSHIRTS RULE. (Or so I've been thinking for a while, used to "hate" them)
OT: I somehow think that in a _very_ distant way, KaythonXE is "pimping" hacks, since if a poor, poor guy reads his posts and thinks he owns and goes and downloads the hacks, he's been influenced by KaythonXE to do so, thus Kaython helped the distribution/pimping of hacks. BAN HIM!!!!! :largeannoyed:
Retro duel this guy kkthx.
At mcm's lvl (96), his ow does 73 dmg per second, or 146 per 2 seconds. To negate that with prayer, you need lvl 63 prayer, which is _clearly_ impossible. And no, your precious 20 repl life is by _far_ not 20 life/sec, it's more like 2 life/sec.
When I dueled him I hit medit after the OW drained me and hid behind some monsters for GA decoys. The life regen was enough to tank another WW though that did piss-weak damage (like 200 not counting OW)
When I dueled him I hit medit after the OW drained me and hid behind some monsters for GA decoys. The life regen was enough to tank another WW though that did piss-weak damage (like 200 not counting OW)
My point wasn't the fact that OW would negate prayer/medi, but the fact that negating OW totally with MEDI/PRAYER is _I-M-P-O-S-S-I-B-L-E_, a little something I've said ever since Imperor_III's times. He, too, thought that medi could completeadly negate OW.
Yes, if you charge around with medi, you will be half-impossible to hit with guideds, but that's _NOT_ my point, my point is that you _will_never_negate_ow_with_medi_unless_you_somehow _can_have_lvl_63_medi_gogo_impossible_things_yeeha w.
OT: wow, just in 2 months I rose my average post amount over the time I've been here from exactly 2 posts to 3.19 so far. Gogo. I wanna hit 5 posts. If these hilarious BvC topics keep coming like this, I thinks I can reach it.
OTv2.121542571289512501252158125712528921748712841 90284902481028419028419251792515289127518927518927 51512128: I gotta go sleep now, see you tomorrow morning, I hopes. (And yes, "I" is a name of a third person, and yes, I'm totally _sane_)
KK thanks for help. Though medit in no way can negate OW, it still helps so charge around with it on.
This guy i have to admit is kida amusing but i only laugh at him cuz i think he is a morron.
OT
i fought a medi using mage called Magedin anyone on Euronl meet this guy he was not to bad we finished about 4-3 to me.
I did have lagg but it still was good dueling.
Romper Stomper
15-06-2006, 06:06
Just waiting for someone to duel me.. Actually. :/ Hammerdin > Mage. Mages suck. Like.. Crappy V/ts, and I've only seen a few good V/ts.
How come all you gung-ho 'mah bvc greater than your hammerdin' people are all talk? Every time I kill a BvC I say owned just because of my spitefullness because of you malicious people. You want to know WHY Hammerdin > BvC?
Hammers ALWAYS hit and do two to three times more damage than a BvC's whirlwind. Hammers can't be reduced by any real amount to make it less effective while dr destroy's ww's potential. OW which would be a factor can be nullified with a decent level prayer aura.
Oh yeah. And WW requires AR to hit.
Only duped item I use is Slippers. And BvC's use 37x 32020s ALL duped? Pfft.
Hack I use is Spetznaz MACV. Map and char viewer.
I believe it's only 1/3 block, defense does remain what it is.
No hammerdin can out tank my barb if we start next to each other and he says go and then starts spamming hammers while I ww him. You underestimate the power of WW.
w/ the gear I use, the AVERAGE damage potential against a 50% PDR opponent w/ 4500k life (used for taking CB into account) for every 4 frames of WW after the first 4 when dual wielding grief + beast is 865.17 (grief) + 387.59 (beast) = 1252.76 life. That's 28% of your life. Extrapolate this to 9 frames (the fastest you can cast hammers) and that's 2818.71 life, 63% of your life. Assuming you have a 14k hammer (can't see you getting much more w/ 9 frame cast and 50% DR), you're only capable of doing 2380 life every 9 frames, which is 34% of a 7k life barb's total life.
Now it's true that you can block and defend WW, but if you block it, you are delayed in your casting. And if you get hit, you are similarly delayed. You cannot interrupt WW, so it's ALWAYS attacking twice per 4 frames.
And here's the biggest difference, WW attacks while moving. Hammerdins do not. This is the biggest reason WW > all other attacks in terms of protecting the character while dealing damage. If you think you can hit a barb w/ every single hammer you cast, you're dillusional. If you've ever had someone walk/charge/ww/whatever straight through your hammer field w/o getting hit, you know what I'm talking about.
Romper Stomper
15-06-2006, 06:12
When I dueled him I hit medit after the OW drained me and hid behind some monsters for GA decoys. The life regen was enough to tank another WW though that did piss-weak damage (like 200 not counting OW)
That had to be some kind of minimum dmg beast hit w/o CS or DS or CB or OW.. I stopped for 3 seconds and stared at screen when that happened.. pitiful.
Funny part is your hiding behind monsters netted me another 1k life as I was spamming GA in your general direction. Let that be a lesson to you. Hiding = ***.
ParaDox68
15-06-2006, 07:05
Hammers ALWAYS hit and do two to three times more damage than a BvC's whirlwind. Hammers can't be reduced by any real amount to make it less effective while dr destroy's ww's potential. OW which would be a factor can be nullified with a decent level prayer aura.
Oh yeah. And WW requires AR to hit.
Only duped item I use is Slippers.
And you claim skill is why you win?
Dox
Thoridian
15-06-2006, 10:06
Hiding = ***.
Word.
10 characters~~
As stated ive seen ppl run or even charge through huge hammerfield without hit.
But as stated using the minnions on the bloodmore means leech sepecially lifetap is casted and then its ur fault
but lol i like the hidding that to me is always a good sign ur hurt badly or if they run to town to kiss Akara.
So if all of a sudden they come back with a 1/3 of there life back i know they been healing.
o, u know what, u guys are dueling his medic...
That had to be some kind of minimum dmg beast hit w/o CS or DS or CB or OW.. I stopped for 3 seconds and stared at screen when that happened.. pitiful.
Funny part is your hiding behind monsters netted me another 1k life as I was spamming GA in your general direction. Let that be a lesson to you. Hiding = ***.
How did you get 1k life? Leech from arreats + damage from fort?
Also would the 3 skill points necessary for frenzy be worth it to charge it on a monster and desync for 6 secs? Pet does this and he owned some unsuspecting pubber doing this + zerking
@ hammerdin guy: mage>hammerdin unless the mage does something really stupid
How did you get 1k life? Leech from arreats + damage from fort?
Also would the 3 skill points necessary for frenzy be worth it to charge it on a monster and desync for 6 secs? Pet does this and he owned some unsuspecting pubber doing this + zerking
@ hammerdin guy: mage>hammerdin unless the mage does something really stupid
The time the Frenzy lasts is too small to be of any help, as usually the only surviving monsters are multiple screens away from where the dueling is. Or then there are no monsters in Blood Moor.
morotsjos
16-06-2006, 14:53
@ hammerdin guy: mage>hammerdin unless the mage does something really stupid
there's no chance in hell a mage will beat a hammerdin in the long run unless he's a better player. mage=nerfed hammer in hvh.
kingdryland
16-06-2006, 16:10
A very high lvl mage will have 9k+ hammers, and if the hammerdin wants to survive his 6k foh will have to put on resist/absorb gear and lose some damage. If they both have 4.2k life ,mage 9k hammers and hammerdin 12k hammers, they both die at 3 hits. Can be pretty even match up under certain conditions. But I agree, hammerdin has the advantage,the mage needs ridiculously high level for those numbers (96+).
TorrentialSR
16-06-2006, 16:32
If you duel a good bvc they will get in ur blindspot and gg your hammerdin sorry.
If you duel a good bvc they will get in ur blindspot and gg your hammerdin sorry.
If it's only *that* easy.
kingdryland
16-06-2006, 16:47
If you duel a good bvc they will get in ur blindspot and gg your hammerdin sorry.
Remove bvc and add smiter/windy/whatever. Things aren't that simple of course.
Remove bvc and add smiter/windy/whatever. Things aren't that simple of course.
Yes, as a Good hammerdin will _not_ stay still long enough for you to tele there and make the kill. Even though, I've seen hammerdins getting slain quickly by a blindspot tele and nados, due to locking them in recovery. As for the smiter, that's what I did back when I used my smiter (Ladder season 2, a little after grief was released), and it killed quite a few of those hammerdins. As for the BvC, if you can do _very_ short triangle whirls and can place yourself in the right spot, that's it. But out of the run, it's damn hard to quickly teleport yourself to the blind spot, I got bad experiences from teleporting too quickly and ending up on the edge of the range of the hammers and getting killed by them, or teleporting too much up and ending up a little below the point where the hammers spawn, but yet close enough for them to hit.
there's no chance in hell a mage will beat a hammerdin in the long run unless he's a better player. mage=nerfed hammer in hvh.
not true cuz i built my mage tiliting more to hammers depending on my setup still usally hitting 5k foh a 9.7k hammer or 4.5k foh and 10k hammer.
And weither or not in hammer vs hammer i use foh as to deal with the problem you will have to stack me anyway which will potentially weaken the pure hammer anyway. And most hammers tele hammer so i simply side step or charge hammer in a field and that usally doe it for me.
Romper Stomper
17-06-2006, 05:19
Mage's do have significant advantages over hams. They can fairly easily protect themselves completely w/ ham fields (no pure ham is going to risk getting hit even by 9k hams in an attempt to get hammers into that field) and will need to make fairly large sacrifices in gear to get their max res over 75% light. A 5k foh will do ~200 life dmg to 75% res, which isn't something you can completely ignore when you have 4.5k life total. My mage isn't even optimal and I havn't had any problems w/ pure hams so long as I play defensively and keep hammers around me. Ask Chris :)
Romper Stomper
17-06-2006, 05:20
How did you get 1k life? Leech from arreats + damage from fort?
Also would the 3 skill points necessary for frenzy be worth it to charge it on a monster and desync for 6 secs? Pet does this and he owned some unsuspecting pubber doing this + zerking
Yes and No, respectively.
blobswannabe
17-06-2006, 07:01
Mage's do have significant advantages over hams. They can fairly easily protect themselves completely w/ ham fields (no pure ham is going to risk getting hit even by 9k hams in an attempt to get hammers into that field) and will need to make fairly large sacrifices in gear to get their max res over 75% light. A 5k foh will do ~200 life dmg to 75% res, which isn't something you can completely ignore when you have 4.5k life total. My mage isn't even optimal and I havn't had any problems w/ pure hams so long as I play defensively and keep hammers around me. Ask Chris :)
i thought your mage was easy pk and i didn't even stack res. desynch hammer pwns ur defensive ****. also any decent bm hammerdin will completely negate any foh and your mage basically turns into a low damage hammerdin.
Phyrexial
17-06-2006, 07:10
So I hear that Kaython apparently took our advice and went to D2jsp looking for BvCs to fight with his hammerdin and found quite a few volunteers fairly quickly. I also hear that he was stomped into the ground, also fairly quickly.
So I guess that settles this thread's original topic. Carry on with the OT.
mainaman
17-06-2006, 07:53
So I hear that Kaython apparently took our advice and went to D2jsp looking for BvCs to fight with his hammerdin and found quite a few volunteers fairly quickly. I also hear that he was stomped into the ground, also fairly quickly.
So I guess that settles this thread's original topic. Carry on with the OT.oh snap link me to that thread pls (if you have it ) i want to see. i have the feeling i will not be able to duel him afte rreset ,and also im hoping he will not attempt to make bvc ,seing how good they actually are.... that will be a shame to the BvC comunity
So I hear that Kaython apparently took our advice and went to D2jsp looking for BvCs to fight with his hammerdin and found quite a few volunteers fairly quickly. I also hear that he was stomped into the ground, also fairly quickly.
So I guess that settles this thread's original topic. Carry on with the OT.
hehe im glad i offered him this advice cuz other there on d2jsp there are alot of ppl who claim they never lose call alot of ppl noobs and ezpk and ppl who love to post screenshoots ^^
btw could you possibly get a link?
Thoridian
18-06-2006, 15:05
So I hear that Kaython apparently took our advice and went to D2jsp looking for BvCs to fight with his hammerdin and found quite a few volunteers fairly quickly. I also hear that he was stomped into the ground, also fairly quickly.
So I guess that settles this thread's original topic. Carry on with the OT.
Hook me up with a link please :P I couldnt find it in pvp section @ jsp boards... :/
Jsp is basically one big flame war
kingdryland
18-06-2006, 16:12
Jsp is basically one big flame war
You can't be that desperate to prove that kaython guy for useless (why do you bother?) to start believing jsp kids,can you?
Phyrexial
18-06-2006, 18:32
You can't be that desperate to prove that kaython guy for useless (why do you bother?) to start believing jsp kids,can you?
Luis informed me of it, and he apparently knows the BvCs that dueled him so if you want you can ask him for names.
morotsjos
18-06-2006, 18:41
A very high lvl mage will have 9k+ hammers, and if the hammerdin wants to survive his 6k foh will have to put on resist/absorb gear and lose some damage. If they both have 4.2k life ,mage 9k hammers and hammerdin 12k hammers, they both die at 3 hits. Can be pretty even match up under certain conditions. But I agree, hammerdin has the advantage,the mage needs ridiculously high level for those numbers (96+).
hammerdins will obviously just smack on tgods+Lo shako vs mages. in hvh they can easily increase their damage with gear switches since they need neither block nor dr, only lightres. ultimately this means that the pure hammerdin can take 4 hammers while the mage dies in 3. the end.
jmsplat, best if you remove the link asap otherwise you'll be in hot water with the mods.
KK sorry thought it was funny
hammerdins will obviously just smack on tgods+Lo shako vs mages. in hvh they can easily increase their damage with gear switches since they need neither block nor dr, only lightres. ultimately this means that the pure hammerdin can take 4 hammers while the mage dies in 3. the end.
wot ives seen in hammer vs hammer is use minnion stack like revives etc
With tgods the mage will still do 125 foh which is enough to turn the hammy offensive and he will get owned by the hammers if he does a sloppy tele and doesn't stack minions
mainaman
18-06-2006, 21:42
Luis informed me of it, and he apparently knows the BvCs that dueled him so if you want you can ask him for names.
well i asked him and he sais he doesn't know anything about that, iguess he doesnt want to get into that too much...
morotsjos
19-06-2006, 16:56
With tgods the mage will still do 125 foh which is enough to turn the hammy offensive and he will get owned by the hammers if he does a sloppy tele and doesn't stack minions
7k foh -> 77 damage which wont bother a desynching 4.5k+ life hammerdin at all.
How'd ya get 77? I used 5k foh/pvp penalty*0.15 because most hammerdins will only use a tgods
morotsjos
19-06-2006, 21:50
How'd ya get 77? I used 5k foh/pvp penalty*0.15 because most hammerdins will only use a tgods
tgods = -40 dmg. hammerdins should have Lo shako in stash anyway.
Oh whoops but most don't have Lo shako since tgods is usually enough to negate foh by alot
Oh whoops but most don't have Lo shako since tgods is usually enough to negate foh by alot
Whaaatever.
7 000*0.17*0.15-40=
1190*0.15-40=
178.5-40=
138.5
So now it deals a little bit of damage. 10 fohs=1k life lost.
Now, with Lo shako:
7 000*0.17*0.1-40=
1190*0.1-40=
119-40=
79
I'll have to say it once again, do _not_ make up numbers where your PvP penalty is dmg/6, as it's not correct, 1/6=0.166666, so it's always 0.4444... off. Not that much, but still a little. The more dmg, the more inaccurate the dmg/6 gets. But it will never really go more than a few hundreds at most (with 51k dmg it's 170).
Sideboarding=force more people to play hybrids=good.
KaythonXE
22-06-2006, 07:44
I got beat on Jsp and you have a thread proving it? Please pm me this link, as my jsp name isn't even KaythonXE. It's something completely oblivious to this name, and I doubt you could guess it.
I got beat on Jsp and you have a thread proving it? Please pm me this link, as my jsp name isn't even KaythonXE. It's something completely oblivious to this name, and I doubt you could guess it.
Got pwned?
Cry more plz
Thoridian
22-06-2006, 12:23
I got beat on Jsp and you have a thread proving it? Please pm me this link, as my jsp name isn't even KaythonXE. It's something completely oblivious to this name, and I doubt you could guess it.
YAS WE IS ARE KNUW U STRONK AND NONOE CAN KPK U !!!1/1!!!!?!1/1?!
YAS WE IS ARE KNUW U STRONK AND NONOE CAN KPK U !!!1/1!!!!?!1/1?!
Gogo hacks?
Please stop the Korean-English, it makes my eyes suffer.
HERO OF THE DAAAY!!! *Metallica*
Okiniiri No Jitensha!!! *Yui Horie*
LORD OF THE RINGS!!! *Blind Guardian*
BITTERSWEET SYMPHONY !!!! *The Verve*
ROLLER COASTER!!! *Red, Hot Chili Peppers*
THE TROOPERRR!!!! *Iron Maiden*
HAIL AND KILL!!!! *Manowar*
COSMOOOOS!!! *Buck-Tick*
KIMI NO TONARIII!!! *Hitomi*
Just felt like spamming something pointless there. Each and every of those songs is one that I like. There are a few extra letters in a few of them. In the first, the sixth, the eigth and the last one have a few extra letters.
Imbecile
22-06-2006, 14:03
Got pwned?
Cry more plz
MF HARD TO TRADE EASY
MF HARD TO TRADE EASY
How about let Kaython die already? He's been embarassed enough I thinks.
KaythonXE
23-06-2006, 03:07
No challengers, all talkers. :) Fun to see I'm still that daunting mountain no one is ready to climb and defeat.
I'm pretty sure you've got this all wrong. Its not a matter of whether or not anyone is ready, or able, to beat you. Its that no one thinks you are really worth it.
Anyway, one member did challenge you, and you brought your "medic". What does that say for you? Not much.
KaythonXE
23-06-2006, 04:54
Wasn't a challenge but a 'friendly' duel. And he didn't beat me, and I brought my medic cause all my gear was on it. Dodging forum. Easy.
mainaman
23-06-2006, 05:19
Wasn't a challenge but a 'friendly' duel. And he didn't beat me, and I brought my medic cause all my gear was on it. Dodging forum. Easy.
of all ppl in that thread YOU TALK THE MOST AND SAY THE LEAST , AND AS IT HAS BEEN PROVEN BY YOU IN YOUR POSTS YOU ARE PATHETIC GO MF SOME MORE
KaythonXE
23-06-2006, 05:52
Omg Caps Lock Rage Time!
mainaman
23-06-2006, 06:41
Omg Caps Lock Rage Time!
you do realize you are pathetic right?
if not one more time GO MF MORE AND LEAVE THAT FORUM
ppl arent even laughin at your nonsence anymore you are boring
HappyAssassin
23-06-2006, 06:59
Guys, the real point you are missing is that this guy will continue to talk trash as long as people pay attention to him. What he's doing is the equivilent of shouting in a library so people will pay attention to him.
Ignore him.
Phyrexial
23-06-2006, 07:38
I got beat on Jsp and you have a thread proving it? Please pm me this link, as my jsp name isn't even KaythonXE. It's something completely oblivious to this name, and I doubt you could guess it.
It's possible that I am indeed misinformed. However, if you didn't duel anyone on jsp perhaps you should go make a thread saying "My hammerdin > any BvC" and accept challenges there? I wouldn't doubt you getting at least one BvC to duel you as they are a tad more active over there with this sort of thing.
If you do make this thread, I would request you do two things. 1, either sign up with a username Kaython or tell us the actual name you use so we can confirm. 2, either PM me a link to the thread or someone else here you trust so we can keep updated on the situation. This will finish this neverending squabble if even remotely half decent BvC's show up, win or lose.
This thread has gone on for way too long and I'm surprised it has. If I used BvC's I would have dueled you ages ago. This is just getting ridiculous.
Phyrexial
23-06-2006, 07:39
Guys, the real point you are missing is that this guy will continue to talk trash as long as people pay attention to him. What he's doing is the equivilent of shouting in a library so people will pay attention to him.
Ignore him.
Or... someone can just duel him and end this terribly childish debacle.
morotsjos
23-06-2006, 09:05
No challengers, all talkers. :) Fun to see I'm still that daunting mountain no one is ready to climb and defeat.
an exact copy of my realm-barb has been waiting to duel on open all the time. dodge more.
an exact copy of my realm-barb has been waiting to duel on open all the time. dodge more.
Funny, it was Kaython who brought up the Open dueling IIRC, and then, when challengers show up, he complains about lag. Dodgeball, eh?
Thoridian
23-06-2006, 09:32
Wasn't a challenge but a 'friendly' duel. And he didn't beat me, and I brought my medic cause all my gear was on it. Dodging forum. Easy.
More excuses please. Come to europe and youll duel at least 5 barbs.
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