Help with a frenzy please

[Madguymike]

Hey I'll admit this is my first barb so please excuse my noobishness

I want to use DS mostly, I I planned on this build:

20 bash (synergy of DS)
20 DS
20 weapon mastery ( I went with swords)
1 increased speed
1 increased stamina
1 howl
1 shout
20 Battle Orders (for the life boost duh)
1 in natural resistance
all rest in Iron skin

now I've heard people say that you can use frenzy and then switch to DS for a really quick attack speed, does the damage bonus from Frenzy add to DS?

I'm thinking if Frenzy should be maxed, should I take points out of weapon mastery, iron skin, or BO? should I go with maxing frenzy or should I put only 10 in it or 1?

[zalt]

I think the best is to do like this: You have choosed bash as the main synergy for DS, why not go with frenzy as the main synery. A maxed frenzy will make you swing faster with DS ( when you switch from a fully charged frenzy to DS ) and frenzy is BTW a more powerful attack versus tougher monsters. And yes only the speed from frenzy is transfered to DS. Put your spare points into shout instead of iron skin, it gives much more defense.

So basicly your maxed skills would be frenzy, DS, mastery, BO and as much as you can in shout. Put the rest where you feel it will benefit you the most but i wouldnt bother for increased speed since you will be running like crazy with frenzy already :grin:

Whatever you choose do to, good luck :wave:

[Terenas]

Here (http://forums.diabloii.net/showthread.php?t=448000&highlight=frenzy) there is a post regarding DS/Frenzy.
I would not max bash. I would max Frenzy though, if you mean to make a Frenzy barb. Alternative to shout is Taunt, which is sinergy to Frenzy. On my current barb I chose to invest in Shout though, and it has not been too much detrimental to my overall damage (but I use low damage weapons anyway).
Frenzy requires more ias to reach max speed than ds but gives you more damage and AR w/o sinergy, and even more than that with even a partial sinergy (ds: which you are going to max anyway).

Zalt pointed out correctly the fact that you are going to carry over only frenzy speed, not damage.
I agree with skill placement too, and even if I have Increased Speed/Stamina, I think they are not essential (in pvm), considering you'll have 30% frw already from gore riders (assuming you are going to use them :wink3: ), and the run bonus of frenzy is substantial.
As for the sword choice, you won't be able to use Beast, and that will slow your frenzy. There are a lot of fast options you could use as primary though, depending on how rich you are and what runes you can afford.
I put 1 pt in Berserk for emergencies.

bye

[Omikron8]

you'll be better off with

20 mastery
20 bo
20 frenzy
20 ds
1 res
1 speed
1 battle command
1 find item
rest shout

even if you are specializing in frenzied DS

if you want a PI solution put 2 gimmershreds on switch, most people throw them away (inexpensive)