Mfing questions

[KaythonXE]

I was recently running mf runs, and I realized how crappy the drops were. With 500+ mf, I just can't understand why in 40 runs the best thing that dropped was an SS. Here is what I use

6x isted crystal sword-180 mf
4x isted monarch-100 mf
Random enigma-89 mf
Travs-48mf
Nagel-30 mf
Chancies-40mf
Goldwrap-30mf
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So in 40 runs(running Andariel and Meph and Diablo, taking 8 minutes each run)
-Stormshield
-200ed Eth Titans
-15/15/13 Teleport ormus
were the best things I found. None of which struck my fancy, and I simply gave to the teleporter(a friend).

So my question is who can drop these, and who has a good/best chance of it?
-Coa
-Hoz
-Valor
-arachs
I don't have nor want to get ATMA, probabilities would be nice to know, but who to mf would be better. :) The level 85 areas don't interest me, they have never dropped anything useful in my experience, after running 10 times on over 700 mf.

[Road Ratt]

So in 40 runs(running Andariel and Meph and Diablo, taking 8 minutes each run)
-Stormshield
-200ed Eth Titans
-15/15/13 Teleport ormus
were the best things I found. None of which struck my fancy, and I simply gave to the teleporter(a friend).

You gave away 200ed Eth Titans, Perfect Eth Titans?!?!?

The last time I saw those on the forums the T/O on them was 30+ HR's, I wouldn't call that a crappy drop at all.

[Evrae Altana]

The problem is: you expect way too much. Pits requires patience and lots of it. You might end up doing a hundred runs and get absolute trash, only to be rewarded with something awesome the very next run. Patience....

[Flyte]

Oh man, 200 ED Eth Titan's? That is sexy, even sexier when upgraded.

If I'm not mistaken:

For CoA, Hell Baal has the highest probability, but takes way too long. Hell Pindle has about half the chance, but Pindle is pretty fast to run, so might as well run Pindle. I don't think Hell Meph can drop CoA.

For HoZ, Hell Meph has the best chance when looking at speed.

For Valor, Hell Meph and Hell Pindle for speed, again. Hell Baal has the highest probability.

For Spiderweb, Hell Meph.

[KaythonXE]

Meh, it's nl and no one wants them really unless they're up'd. Least in my experiences. And if someone does it's hard to find. And, my friend had been teleporting the entire time for me because I hate teleing under 200 fcr which is my sorc's normal setup. Pindle never gives me anything and he can and does kill me with my mf gear on, provided I don't have my merc, and my merc doesn't have infinity anymore, so he dies and then I die. But back to the point! Thanks for the help, I don't want to run pindle anyways. He's too fast when I have a infinity merc and he temp bans me. So, diablo has bad drops? Or does he just take way to long?

[Flyte]

Meh, it's nl and no one wants them really unless they're up'd. Least in my experiences. And if someone does it's hard to find. And, my friend had been teleporting the entire time for me because I hate teleing under 200 fcr which is my sorc's normal setup. Pindle never gives me anything and he can and does kill me with my mf gear on, provided I don't have my merc, and my merc doesn't have infinity anymore, so he dies and then I die. But back to the point! Thanks for the help, I don't want to run pindle anyways. He's too fast when I have a infinity merc and he temp bans me. So, diablo has bad drops? Or does he just take way to long?

Diablo has decent drops, but just takes way too long in comparison with Meph, and especially Pindle.

[scribblesxp]

I got a HoZ from hell andy
and an arachs from hell meph :P

[AnimeCraze]

It's just luck. You did nothing wrong.

[shadowruns]

Is pindle still good for mf everyone says he not good for drops they say go on in quest and kill what his name. So which is better?

[stevethatsmyname]

for 40 runs those 2 items (ss and eth titans) is very good, you just seem to expect too much

[KaythonXE]

I do expect too much. Seeing as in the 1:30 minutes it took to run those I could of traded up more value. But I don't know. I find SS and Etitans useless, and traded them both for say 2x pul then upping to um is useless. I would only keep an um if I needed it. I've rushed people and said they could keep um. :/

[Skelious]

Old saying "one man`s trash is another ones treasure" or something like that, anyway the mf issue is that its hard to get what you really need when you need it. Most of the time ill end up trading my mf finds for things that i do need and in the end it works out. (hopefully) I have done a 100 runs with nothing but blues for my effort and then comes run 101 and jackpot, some great find. I have found that some of my good drops actually come from some kills on the way to the bosses rather than the bosses. Go figure lol.

Just my 2 cents
I hope you find what you want
good luck

[KaythonXE]

You have it right there. I really don't like mfing. 1 to 5 times is fine. But I see someone mf'ed two thousand times and I go o.o whoa. I don't mind killing him, but the teleporting there with mf gear = ick and switching takes too long. I could rationalize and keep my gear ~300 mf and tele faster but I like to either tele at 200 % or not at all. But I do keep nice damage at 500+ mf, I think. 28k?

[roomba]

IMO, I have 200mf because that is when the chance to find a unique item caps. Any higher and instead of finding rares and uniques, you will find more magicals and tha isnt reall yhow I want it.

[Evrae Altana]

IMO, I have 200mf because that is when the chance to find a unique item caps. Any higher and instead of finding rares and uniques, you will find more magicals and tha isnt reall yhow I want it.No. The game decides in this order: unique->set->rare->magical. Having more MF does NOT decrease your chances of getting unique items. Having more MF does NOT "convert" potential uniques into magical items. :rolleyes:

[KaythonXE]

Yeah I know that much, but what's wierd is you seem to find more uniques with ~ 300-400 mf than with 500-900. :/

[AnimeCraze]

But can you kill just as fast with 900 MF compared to 400?

[Evrae Altana]

Yeah I know that much, but what's wierd is you seem to find more uniques with ~ 300-400 mf than with 500-900. :/That's because killing speed is generally lower if you sport 900 MF. Fewer kills = fewer drops = fewer uniques.

[KaythonXE]

My killing speed remains the same at 300 and at 500. I've tested it in the 10 pit runs I did. The only time my killing speed increases(and it does drastically) is when I have 200 fcr.

[divinius]

can anyone tell me if hell mephisto can drop tal rasha armor?

[zebulin]

can anyone tell me if hell mephisto can drop tal rasha armor?
In my meph thread the unanimous response i got was "no".

However, hell meph can drop items that have a trade value even greater than tal rasha's armor so if tal rasha's armor is what you are after meph can be a good place to pursue it...indirectly.

[divinius]

so apparently mephisto can frop unique spiderweb sash which would be arach but he cant drop lacquered plate????? makes no sense at all to me

[BlackyMcBlack]

well of like 500 pindle runs all being like 30 secs each ive only found 1 good thing but it was a perfect maras so it was worth it
I got Hoz from Baal
never found Coa yet

[Hrus]

so apparently mephisto can frop unique spiderweb sash which would be arach but he cant drop lacquered plate????? makes no sense at all to me
Spiderweb sash is from armo63 TC along with Luna, Boneweave, Vampirebine gloves etc.
Lacquered plate is from armo84 TC along with Archon Plate, Ward, Shadow Plate, Troll Belt etc.
Mephisto can drop for armo78 at maximum (Hellforge plate, Balrog skin), so he can't drop Lacquered plate, but can drop Spiderweb sash.

Now each set/unique item has a special qlvl property. Arachnid Mesh has qlvl87, TR armor has qlvl 26 (sets have generally very low qlvl). If the item is dropped from monsters, and the check against the MF for unique item is successful, it will still not be unique, if the monster level is lower than qlvl.
That's why Mephisto (mlvl=87) can drop Arachnid Mesh, but Pindleskin (mlvl=86) cannot (though he can drop items from armo87)
If you have more questions, read this MF guide (http://forums.diabloii.net/showthread.php?t=412453) first.

[divinius]

very good guide and it answered all my questions
thank you