Did i just discover a new type of zealot? And, the easiest way to solo ubers yet!

[terrordemon]

Part 1:

I was messing around with my new auradin (Dream Dream HoJ Dragon) and i realized something quickly. My pulses right now deal good damage, they kill tons of things everywhere fast. But on single monsters, i.e. the unique mob that has more hps, if i charge in or attack it, it is instantly owned, and thats WITHOUT a fanatacism attack damage bonus. Has anyone tried a setup like this:

20 resist fire
20 resist lightning
20 Fanatacism
20 zeal
the rest holy shield

for items just use the same items as i am on my auradin:

Dragon, Dream, Dream, HoJ
Draculs
String of Ears (or dungos, but for this version LL is important)
Raven Frost
String of Ears
Either +2 Ammy or Highlords Wrath (I would need to test out both and to see if the IAS outbalances the damage from the + skills)
Defensive aura gc's? (would this even do anything for the synergies of the auras?)

In theory it seems like it could be just like a zealot that deals out TONS and TONS of damage insanely fast.

Comments?

Part 2:

So a guy on these forums that I did a trade with was helping me do the ubers (i messed up doing meph, i couldnt save it) and he used an amazingly good technique. Instead of using Guilliems Face for a helm, he used Dream.

Personally, when I uber the only thing that ever cuases me to die is if i get more minions than i can handle on me. Confuse, for all of you that dont know, is a necro curse that causes effected mobs to attack each other, <b>not you</b>. So he came into tristram, had it go off once, and i never got attacked again and owned meph.

More comments? have other people done this before?

[foxfire]

since you dont have sacrifice for increased phys dam, wouldnt conviction and lots of CB be a better idea?

and defensive aura GC's wouldnt boost synergies. Offensive aura would be better.

[terrordemon]

why offensive aura? the main reason for fanat is the IAS, making you a better zealer, and have an ias geared setup (possibly highlords). Sacrifice adds a good amount of damage, but fanat adds damage, zeal adds 98% damage at lvl 20 with attack rating bonus, AND you still have the auras that are constantly dealing damage, with you swinging for around (or atleast what mine is now, WITHOUT zeal or conviction) 2-9k

you dont need to rely on CB as much with this guy because you deal SO MUCH damage in the first place with auras on top of a huge zeal hit. I'm assuming that zeal with these auras (<b>remember, an added bonus of the auras is they add lightning and fire damage to your attack, more than you think</b>), that its more damaging than a grief zealot built the normal way.

[TheRisingX]

keep in mind conviction boosts your elemental damage, which is your main source of damage. also, it lowers defense thus removing the need for AR.
Dream + Dream + Fort + LW PB
20 Res light + 20 Convic + 20 HS + 20 Zeal

this setup would easily grant close to 90CB with gores and a source of Life Tap. This is coupled with two sources of dmg, physical + elemental.
5 FPS zeal with conviction on. More defense from max HS and easily maxed resists in hell. Most importantly, with your lvl 25+ conviction it will cancel out Mephs, allowing even a merc to easily survive given life tap + max resists.

This is the build i am currently working on, and when im done ill likely be writing up a guide on it.

[Junts]

ITD doesnt work very well on bosses, LW isn't the best weapon for this particular build imo, you'd be better with something with built in IAS or elemental damage to take advantage of conviction, than the Wish. Though Fade would help with your highly questionable resists in Dream/Dream. You probably need Chains of Honor for resists, too.

[TheRisingX]

my dream shield 54 res + 19 res helm + 27 res fort + 25 maras + torch (dont even need, since need to pick up new one) + anni + anya quests = done.

The wish is very very convenient for Life Tap, Crushing Blow, Speed in a PB (although 4fps unreachable without fanat, 5fps is a decent speed), not to mention a might aura. with 20ias gloves 5fps zeal is reached.

Also, conviction is not ITD, it is -def and works on bosses. Not to mention, we could easily swap a maras for a metalgrid, and given we are wearing a raven, our AR will be a decent amount and more than enough.

I think the most important part of conviction > fanat vs. ubers is that cancelling out mephs conviction makes the run 300% easier to complete.

[mclarke]

also consider that that ubers are almost completely immune to elemental damage, just go for the hammer/smite guy (expensive) or get 2 people 1 smite, 1 hammer and pwn butt with crap equip very easily or a breeze with decent equip (my smiter not even using grief)

[nubikoen]

my dream shield 54 res + 19 res helm + 27 res fort + 25 maras + torch (dont even need, since need to pick up new one) + anni + anya quests = done.

The wish is very very convenient for Life Tap, Crushing Blow, Speed in a PB (although 4fps unreachable without fanat, 5fps is a decent speed), not to mention a might aura. with 20ias gloves 5fps zeal is reached.

Also, conviction is not ITD, it is -def and works on bosses. Not to mention, we could easily swap a maras for a metalgrid, and given we are wearing a raven, our AR will be a decent amount and more than enough.

I think the most important part of conviction > fanat vs. ubers is that cancelling out mephs conviction makes the run 300% easier to complete.

It's true that you can negate meph's conviction but it'll only affect you, not your merc (or partymembers for that matter). Everyone else (merc + party) will still be under mephs conviction.

[Talga Vasternich]

I'm pretty sure this setup would work, but it's darn expensive (Minimum 8HR+other gear).
You will have to keep this thread updated with results.:thumbsup:

[terrordemon]

my focus right now is not even conviction. conviction adds damage, yes, but from what ive seen (right now me doing 2-9k base), conviction may add some but thats still a lot of damage.

What i'm considering, is can i even use conviction along with zeal, but still have enough IAS to attack fast enough with a hoj zerker and zeal with no fanat? The way i'm going to try this is:

20 ias gloves
20 ias belt (nosferatu, right?)
highlords

the way i figure, a normal zealot has about 30 ias from base pb, 30 ias from grief, 20 from highlords, and 40 from fanat. with this you get 33 from hoj, and 60 from items, effectively only making you have 30 less IAS than a normal zealot, but still being able to use the ownage of conviction. I will be making a build like this, as well as a fanat based one and will report back on my findings

EDIT: Rising: i really dont see how your build works. mine is focused in getting the damage boost from all the auras, yours is just doing mediocre (or so it seems) damage in different ways, and having lots of cb. So it seems like you cant really do anything vs non-uberish type bosses. and i still dont see how you would get enough damage just from the dreams, HF is nice. And most importantly, how the hell do you get the IAS? you have the 30 base ias from the pb, but it looks like thats it. maybe highlords? please explain how you get to 5 fps

[niner]

Hi man.

http://forums.diabloii.net/showthread.php?t=414604

[terrordemon]

i saw that before, but that focuses on only having 1 aura on with conviction, mine would focus on having 3, if not 4 on at the same time, therefore dealing much more damage

edit: admitably, that looks like a better uber killing machine, but it seems like my build can just have LW on switch with something else, or maybe just keep it with dream when you dont need the hoj but you need the cb

its all a possibility, but mine will be focusing on the multiple auras for damage

[marcello]

Nosferatu is 10%ias.

[niner]

Conviction
Might
Holy Shock (dual when throwing)
Defiance

Merc
Holy Shock
Holy Fire
Fanatacism

CTC
Hydras
Lifetap
Confuse
Chain Lightning
Fade
Venom

This focuses on more than one aura + does quite well physically taking full advantage of the power of conviction.

[terrordemon]

marc: ok thanks, its still some ias.

niner: that does quite well with conviction, but 4 auras does much better with conviction than your one. With my merc id prolly do dream helm, faith bow, and some armor with LL

i dont have as much thing to cast unless i can hypothetically go to lw pb on switch, but i would be dealing so much more damage just because of the added auras i dont think it will matter (other than the fact that fade and confuse is amazing, but i cast confuse anyways)

EDIT: And can someone tell me what base IAS i need to get to to get to the 5fps breakpoint? i cant find the chart anywhere

[niner]

I just listed 7 auras at once with merc. Also she does fine on the leech dept with lifetap going off.

Reason I went with dragon for her is the +5 to max to lightning on dragon,hydras,venom, light holy fire. Dream is mf,res,fhr,holy shock,confuse.

Quite fun as hell......

[terrordemon]

yes but if you have NO life leech on your merc then she cant really live unless you have life tap on, making you dependant on dracs/exile/lwpb, none of which i plan to use mainly

[niner]

Consider upped crow caw armor, andy face will up to good ias bps on her was my other options. this merc stays out of the way if anyone gets close to her she runs away.

[MegaFlame]

IMO this build will do ubers successfully but I can't say it'd be the easiest way though.

[terrordemon]

flame: i never said that this build is the easiest way, even though i think with fine tuning and good gear (i need to check the added damage from 1 HF aura, if its not that much lw pb MAY be the better option, or maybe even grief i was thinking) it may be (i'll have to test it out). What i said was the easiest way is just to use a dream helm for the confuse, and the resist/fhr is nice

[nubikoen]

flame: i never said that this build is the easiest way...

Actually it says so in the title :rolleyes:

[terrordemon]

not to fill the thread with crap but i clearly stated that my post had 2 seperate parts in the body, so maybe if you actually read the body youd understand that, and that the second part has NOTHING to do with the first part

[terrordemon]

just a little update:

what im using now:

last wish pb
dream helm
dream shield
fort armor (doesnt really help much, may go back to dragon)
24 maras
raven
other useless ring (need to get a dual leech ring)
verdungos
anni
ptorch

with this i have about 1.6k life, without any bo (i need to get a cta, or do i?)

what i found today, by doing ubers with a newb friend of mine, is that with this setup, i can EASILY tank all three ubers at once with all of their minions i took baal, diablo, and meph on me at the same time. for almost all of it i didnt even have conviction on, i had salvation on for all until the last boss. i didn't need the fanatacism that my merc gave me for a short bit, because i still owned too much.

you guys say this isnt as good as a zmiter for ubers? it may not be, but can a zmiter without bo easily tank ALL THREE ubers at once?

[HeavAngel]

I'm keeping my eyes on this thread.:rolleyes:

[terrordemon]

I Present: http://forums.diabloii.net/showthread.php?p=4401059#post4401059

The Unexplainable Paladin Guide

[HeavAngel]

I Present: http://forums.diabloii.net/showthread.php?p=4401059#post4401059

The Unexplainable Paladin Guide
Since, you made a new Thread on your Guide, I'll close this one unless there's a reason for this one to stay opened. If so, Just P.M. me.