View Full Version : best class for ruining chaos\baal runs
I have a hammerdin and smiter, both get owned by ranged classes, my hammerdin can 1 shot ppl but its hard to get hammers to hit and its hard to get close without dieing...
All I wanna do is rage the crap out of ppl by ruining there chaos and baal runs (its the only reason i play the game)
i might make a zon but i hear they suck so i was leaning towards a sorc although with all the resists out there i dont know.. what class would wreck havol the easiest?
light sorc with infinity merc pretty much destroyes the two areas above
MysticDragon
25-04-2006, 07:51
Try a Bone/Summon Hybrid. Minions stack makes you last long and unresistable damage can't be overlooked.
Bordillo
25-04-2006, 09:34
Max ce summon fischymancer
I myself have done a few of those on useast and any of the three seems good, personally I use Light sorc w/ infinity... pretty much rapes everyone and fast but what you need is basicly:
Fast teleporting character
Able to 1-2 hit kill people
so basicly think of any build with those 2 items and your set
*i dont think you need to worry about taking hit since there is no such thing as BM pking people and you can use as many rejuvi's as you want*
KaythonXE
25-04-2006, 22:58
I'd go with a 200 fcr lightning sorc that doesn't use max block or es. You don't need it. Just have 4 full rejuv potions and tele there. Tele lightning them. :) PS: Aim for the high level in chaos games /first/.
nickedoff
25-04-2006, 23:21
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Why would you want to screw up peoples planned games?
It takes a lot of time to earn experience, and then some chub comes in with an orb sorc and PKs you on a PVM character that you were using to actually help people.
Thanks for being a jerk.
my hammerdin can 1 shot ppl but its hard to get hammers to hit and its hard to get close without dieing...
Then you don't know how to play your Hammerdin. Hammerdins do best in Chaos and baal over any other char easily.
All I wanna do is rage the crap out of ppl by ruining there chaos and baal runs (its the only reason i play the game)
You must be so popular...
hammerdins should own both those spots...
however i've not had a problem yet with my psn/summon nec...pretty easy with lower res, nova, amp, and nova again if needed, then ce and all gone =P
KaythonXE
26-04-2006, 00:57
I hope you play USEast, I can't wait for you to come into my game and get tore up by me. ^^ Btw, Hammerdin is a bad idea. Hammerdins are always chaosing, so, hammer vs hammer is pretty much all luck. :/ So go with something that can aim.
lol i h8 ppl like this :grin: go to all the hastle to join the game then to start pking ppl and nk etc in pvm games ^^
Anyway a good char would be a poision nec or something reason for this is that poision drops the hp to1 so this raises the chance that a monster could kill the victim meaning they will lose alot of exp.
Even blizz with say infinity or a light sorc as stated will work as blizz can retty much 1 hit kill without carring abs or nothing.
But as other said hammer vs hammer is crap as most baalrunners use hammer chars so they can simply gang up on u and make u eat hammers.
IEqualsGood
26-04-2006, 02:53
Infinity Light Sorc or Psn/Ce/Summon nec are your best bets.
windruid for minion stack and recastable cyclone armor. Every other strong hitter out there either can't take many hits or cannot fight multiple characters at once.
Hurricane and tornados wreck havoc in a small space and minion stack allows u to accidentally tele in to hammerfields or ww barbs etc. Guided attacks usually won't hit you. Unresistable damage that stuns and can hit multiple opponents since most baal/chaos people are stacked together anyways
windruid for minion stack and recastable cyclone armor. Every other strong hitter out there either can't take many hits or cannot fight multiple characters at once.
Hurricane and tornados wreck havoc in a small space and minion stack allows u to accidentally tele in to hammerfields or ww barbs etc. Guided attacks usually won't hit you. Unresistable damage that stuns and can hit multiple opponents since most baal/chaos people are stacked together anyways
I think not... You think you are going to honestly be able to take a 7 on 1 duel, even if you are PVP and most are PVM... with a Windy??? Minions stack or not, 10 bucks says someone is using HF, that will knock the minions down in a heartbeat. Windy's also can't outrange like a sorc can.
IMO, Nec + Summons is the best. In PVM games there will be corpses on the ground. Amp+CE, well we all know what happens. The summons will act as shields. I'd vote light sorc in second, however it is resistable. You never know someone in the game may stack Light out the wazoo and be wearing Tgods + Wisp, and wack you with his cracked short sword.
@ Those who are bragging about PKing: Where are you guys PKing? Level 70 baal and chaos runs? All the baal games I hop into are 90+ and I bet many of the players are PVP anyway. As others mentionned, hope you hop into those, you'll be eaten before you hit Throne. Trust me, I've seen it.
Range is not a huge issue as when you're in the throne room there isn't much room. As long as you aren't melee range.. (which the windy is not) then you could be able to do it. And who the hell has dual stacked dooms in a baal run?? A lvl 1 holy freeze boosted by skills or a holyfreeze merc won't cut it.. it'll take like 10 pulses to kill ur minions.
Windies have great tanking abilities.. they can have high life and block w/o sacrificing much dmg or fcr, they have hurricane which requires no aiming, and in a confusing game it is hard to namelock target the druid meaning most people will hit his minions first. If you've seen GG druids they are better at 1vsall duels than most other classes.
You can recast armor/sage/minions after you kill 2 or 3 groupies and come back in while everyone else is still potting their life back and getting ready for the next few monsters. And it is hard for all 7 chars to gun for you at one time because they have monsters at their back. Also if they chase you that means you can lead them out and kill them one by one. If they don't chase you can take free potshots at them whenever you want.
Only way I can see a windy dying is a really bad tele into multiple spells or if he is stunned or if all of his minions die first. If you ever let this happen in the first place then you shouldn't be in a pk game...
wait is this for pvp? or chaos/baal running?
argh i misread...i though "running chaos/baal" not "ruining chaos/baal"
lol...opps :grin:
KaythonXE
26-04-2006, 22:03
Windies have the worst fhr of all characters in the GAME. Thus, 7 little weak characters hitting you with spells that do 1/100 of your 'gg' life will still kill you. Windies are the worst class, there hurricane won't kill or even damage anyone with 50+ res. Let us make a list of all the things that kill windies.
Hammerdins
Any sorc
Infinately any caster
What doesn't kill windies?
Melee
Who has to get to the throne?
A caster
Why are windies a bad idea?
Horrible fhr
You assume you can just tele recast without getting jumped
Low life once that oak dies and it WILL(2 life per every vita? Gimme a break.)
Mediocre damage considering the tornados will have to hit a good player 10+ times to kill. Maybe if you can cast 3x tornados and someone is just standing there. Good luck with that.
Ruining baal games are tough. Because there are a bunch of high levels with everyone on a godly bo from a barb.
Windies CAN ruin chaos games if they are skilled enough to 1v1 the chaoser, and be lucky there isn't 2x chaosers. Then you run into the low levels and they explode! :P
ilovesoda
26-04-2006, 22:09
I think a pvp lightning trapper with eni would do a good job to.
Windy wont work if u so happen to run into a game with BvC barbs or smiters ur in trouble. Barbs can kill windies 90% of the time with max dr period, as for the smiter u cant use minnion stack as this is an oportunity to cast life tap for pala and he will use the minnions as rejuves.
But saying this, alot of tough high lvl chars in the lvl 85+ Baalruns are pvp chars anyway especially usally the lvl 90 section. And taking on 7 players in a baalrun wont be the easiest fight but cuz this is such a closed area u want to use an attack that has slash dmg affect which is why a fb sorc could work as well.
Then you don't know how to play your Hammerdin. Hammerdins do best in Chaos and baal over any other char easily.
You must be so popular...
lololol try reading the title.. it says ruin not run lol english kay?
to all the other babies that are crying omg hes a jerk boo hoo, cowboy the fuk up ok? kthx
and to everyone else that simply just helped me out i appriciate it thx.
windy can use metalgrid iron maiden charges which = dead melee.
yes you can recast without getting jumped because chasing a druid in throne means that you have to get very close, there isn't enough room to outrange him. And up close.. a windy will destroy a sorc. Most people will not attack the pvper.. most often they defend. And 10x nado's to kill someone?? lets say u average 6.5k nado's.. thats over 1k dmg per hit. 10x nados = 10kdmg or 5k if u have max dr... the only person who can do that in a chaos run is the barb who will once again get raped by IM/minions.
Druids are very very even w/ sorcs, although slower in fcr and fhr, their attacks stun more often, can't be sorbed, minion stack, recastable cyclone armor, more life. . . Sorcs have to run away from druids to be effecgtive, i don't see how a sorc can launch a good offensive vs. any windy. As for hammerdin... my windies as well as others have never had problems w/ hammerdin. You can take as many hammers as they can take tornados except that once again.. yours stun and are easier to hit.
lololol try reading the title.. it says ruin not run lol english kay?
to all the other babies that are crying omg hes a jerk boo hoo, cowboy the fuk up ok? kthx
I love when people talk like this online when they know they wont get *****-slapped for it.
Anyway - if you really want to piss people off join games like "Act 1 Rush Plz" with your high level char, then when people join say you're waiting for a mate to join. Go make sandwich. Return and everyone is standing about waiting for you. Rush them to the tree and make sure you get the scroll. Hostile them all, kill them if they stay and then leave with the scroll so they have to start all over. Causes much more annoyance to them than they get from simply saving and exiting and going into a new game when you hostile them in a CS run.
Or make a hell cow game, say for them to wait until you have cleared the portal, lure cows over the portal then say "Clear" - bonus is they lose exp too.
With Baal runs - i don't get how you kill people other than with TPPK - surely they can either save and exit if they cant be botherd, or else just all stand by the stairway spamming blizzard, hammers, nados, WW so as soon as you walk through you get nuked.
Dennis_KoreanGuy
27-04-2006, 16:00
Rofl one of these noobs... Whenever I host baal / chaos game, once in a while these idiots would come thinkin they're all strong... fft feckin weak.
Light/ES Infinity merc would be best. Especially if your goal is to "rage the crap out of people" and not kill doom knights.
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