Two upped Ali Babas 4 MF??

[jungeMann]

Hi i thought off a special mf barb equip for pit runs on hell the only thing im worried about is whether i will do enough damage in pit runs with two upped ali babas socketed with El rune (for highr dam to undead) and PSkulls.
The rest of the equip is treachery for max res all and dam reduce, and rest all IK socketed with PTopazes for additional ~130 mf so i easily get 300++ mf for a very cheap equip. Angelic combo gives more then enough ar for my WW as main weapon.
so i will have

300++ mf
3k++ hp
75% res all
15% dam reduce
low def but life leech due to IK and PSkulls
very high AR
high FHR
damage = ??

The question once again will my damage be sufficiant? I use 20ww and 20sword mastery.

[GargonCerlan]

First, if you plan on doing solo runs, you might be ok, although its going to be very slow. I'm assuming that you don't have the wealth currently, which is why you're going for all out mf gear.

Second, I've often thought about this very question. Only trying to go with frenzy instead of ww. The problem with ww is that the swords themselves are too slow.

Third, eld runes are the ones that give damage to undead. As a matter of fact when i started my IK barb awhile back, I used dual shael eld eld aldur's rhythms which worked VERY well through NM until I could equip the IK stone crusher. Weapon Speed is key when using whirlwind as an attack.

Fourth, if you need the magic find so badly, I would recommend you putting these ali babas (not upped) on switch and using find item for the second chance at mf. Perhaps if you use the upped Ali Babas with 2 shaels you will hit the second to last breakpoint for ww and still have the mf to go with. If you had a TON of fine small charms and a ton of deadly strike this might work well.

Lastly, my thoughts on the whole thing are if you want to go with WW for mf, go with the switch idea and use find item on the corpses. The key to finding great items are to kill lots of monsters fast. You are more likely to find Tyrael's Might with zero mf and killing hundreds of monsters in 2 minutes, than with 1000 MF and taking 25 minutes to kill one Fallen shaman and 5 Fallen.... if that makes sense.

P.S. Keep in mind that having zero magic find % on your character DOES NOT mean that you will never find anything more than magical. MF just increases your chances that the drop will be better than white, grey or blue.

[Evrae Altana]

Your damage will be pitiful.
Fast killing with lower MF > slooooow killing with a lot of MF

[Omikron8]

the only reasons to use alis on a barb is on switch when you are using find item on champs/bosses

[Angry]

you could use nice botd cb or something w/ ali baba in your offhand and zerk the bosses dead...if you're doing pit though, i dunno

[jungeMann]

Well first thx for the replies.

About the low ias:
I will have 45+25=70 ias with the gear i mentioned so will my attack speed be so slow? I get 4frames ww with a calculator.
I olso can consider putting Shaels+PSkulls to come up with even more speed.

ABout the mf:
I hope to find more charms and uniquies on normal monsters while just whirling around. The item find skill comes later as a bonus.

About the damage:
So u think the damage will suck? Well thats the only weak point if i really need like 3 ww to finish a devil kin than it really sux.
I just figured out good upped alibabas have 60-140 damage. Is it enough?

By the way i think my dam reduction will be 35 and not 15 due to IK bonus.

[Angry]

only the ias found on the weapon factors into whirlwind speed. you could have 200 ias on the rest of your gear but if you have none on your weapon, it won't go any faster

[Evrae Altana]

I just figured out good upped alibabas have 60-140 damage. Is it enough?Nope. It will be somewhat decent in NM, but it's not going to cut it in Hell.

[jungeMann]

Oh damn ^^
i also figured out IK belt wont give me 20% dr also :(

Thx for the ias correction and dam info.

Now i can get 3frames ww if i put shaels in them one in each and along with very high AR can it eventually come up for the rather low damage? Besides i only wonna do pit runs so its only for act1.