Help me understand the pk system

[RaZoRCell]

So this is my first time on HC East. I lost 2 high lvl chars.

First, I was at the very start of chaos Sanctuary and this lvl 85 comes in and parties us. I always get jumpy when high lvls come in but I said "Hey, he can't us way out here becuase if he hostiled I could just save adn exit. Wrong! He came with us to chaos, next thing I know hostiled and I'm dead in .5 seconds. How? Summons die once he goes to town.. right? He can't take a TP's dissapear after hostile right so he couldnt hostile and come back through tp. there is also a wait after hostile.. so how?

another I was doing Diablo and a lvl 85 bowazon comes to help. I say surely an amzaon cant kill me out here like the necro, cause no summons glitch or w/e. lol wrong again. We start killing diablo and then hostile everyone dies.
I'm guessing maybe the piercing attacks with guided arrows were still going through diablo when she went to town and hostiled thus the guided arrows aiming at us while she is safe in town? please give me some tips of how people can kill you abusing the system. Thanks

[Alaina]

What you experienced is commonly known at a TPPK. What they do is get your trust, then as they are firing to help you kill whatever they follow these steps.

Step 1: Cast/Range a massive dmg, durational attack.
Step 2: Create a tp
Step 3: Hostile everyone in time for your attack to hit and kill as many as possible.

If they are doing it by hand it usually doesn’t work, but most use a hack to allow them to do these steps by pressing one button. The only time it takes to do this with the hack is the time to cast/ranged.

There are 4 Classes that can TPPK that I know of, Sorc, Necro, Amazon, and Druid.

Sorry to hear that you died, hopefully this will answer your questions.

[Relativity]

All classes can tppk (town portal player kill). The most common are sorc, druid, amazon, and necromancer. Best advice I have for you is not to play in public games past normal baals. Also you might want to drop by the channel op xbananax where many nice cooperative players meet.

[Cleglaw_Himself]

Yes, tppk is rampant in public games past normal baals.

I thought I'd just see how bad it was the other day and joined a nm baal run.

Got into about the 5th or 6th run and a necro called Maine tppk'd me with bone spirits.

So, it might take you longer than expected to get through nm and hell these days, as true non-tppk public rushes are rare.

[RoXoR]

or westies can msg me :)

[PirateJax]

I'm coming back to D2 after a couple year hiatus. Does Blizzard have any plans to fix this? I remember whenever I stopped playing there was a problem with Sorcs TPPking with hydra but Bliz fixed it. So why cant they fix this?

[Hp_Sauce]

lazyness

-hps

[Palm]

Because the game is old, they don't care, nobody plays HC but a hand full of seasoned veterans and tppk addicted lamers.

[terrymanning]

I'm coming back to D2 after a couple year hiatus. Does Blizzard have any p2lans to fix this?

No.


I remember whenever I stopped playing there was a problem with Sorcs TPPking with hydra but Bliz fixed it. So why cant they fix this?

That's a good question.

[stevethatsmyname]

the partial solution is to never party with anyone ever.

This actually doesnt work 100%, one time I joined up a NM baal run and opened cow portal, a necro apparently figured this out and dropped down in the cow portal and tppked me =P

So the real solution is to never play in games with other people, ever.

[PirateJax]

Gosh, thats kinda depressing. How long has this been going on? There isn't a petition or anything? When I started investigating D2 recently I was pretty amazed to see how many people still played it. Has Blizzard issued any kind of formal response/statement/justification of anything?

[Palm]

Petition? Nah. :P You just learn to live with it, we all got ways of dealing with it. When I started playing D2 there was tppk, there has always been tppk. I still like HC and if it wasn't for it I probably wouldn't play this game at all.

[terrymanning]

Gosh, thats kinda depressing. How long has this been going on? There isn't a petition or anything? When I started investigating D2 recently I was pretty amazed to see how many people still played it. Has Blizzard issued any kind of formal response/statement/justification of anything?

Blizzard won't acknowledge that the problem even exists. Although they do "strive to maintain a cheat free playing arena". rotflmfao

[CoyoteKid]

Don't use MH. Just buy whatever you want off of the constant spammers, or Ebay, lol...

What kills me is most of these tp-pkers have no clue or real experience playing this game, and have nothing to offer a gamer, but they can kill you in the most cowardly way possible.

what is happening to this once great game?

[Alaina]

Now don't be that bad of a poor sport, just find people who you can trust and have fun playing the game, when it come to playing don't immediately trust any lvl 50+ of though classes mentioned, keep away from the main body of players or keep behind/side of the rusher. If the person has rushed you past Diablo you can usually trust him or if it’s a run past 5 actual runs.

Anyone want to start making a list of tppkers?

[PirateJax]

Even though I haven't played in over two years making me a relative noob again (although I was around long before the expansion even came out), and this has never actually happened to me, I still sent Blizzard the following email:

This is a game issue that appears to be easily correctable, but has not been. A charcter can launch a damage causing projectile/spell in the presence of others, and through a hack instantly teleport back to town and hostile with the push of a single button. This has unfairly killed thousands of Hardcore characters, and has essentially ruined the vast majority of open games in Hardcore mode.

It seems all that would be necessary to fix this is a simple 5 second timer on hostiling after going through a town portal or way point. This remedy would not detract anything from dueling or legit "player killers."


A similar issue with the Sorceress's "Hydra" skill was rampant about two years ago, but was eventually fixed by Blizzard. Does Blizzard have any plans to correct this so called "Town Portal Player Killing" loophole?

Probably won't do any good but it cant hurt. I'm sure I probably got something wrong too, but like I said I've been away for a while. I would like to come back to a fun diablo ii, not one full of bs.

[Cleglaw_Himself]

PirateJax, you do realise that you can tppk manually as well as via hack program.

[PirateJax]

PirateJax, you do realise that you can tppk manually as well as via hack program.

Yes, I do. But that has little to do with my request. Regardless of how it is done, it sounds like this has widely ruined open play. Unless I am missing something, a five second timer would solve this problem regardless.

[Palm]

PirateJax, you do realise that you can tppk manually as well as via hack program.I'd like to see someone pull it off manually. And while it's in theory possible it's clearly a 'loophole', not an intended 'feature'.

[PhatTrumpet]

It's not difficult at all with something like Blizzard or Meteor...

[AzaZaz]

although it may not be hard, its not nearly as effective.

the fact remains what piratejax is saying is true, and nobody is really denying that although possible to do manually, nobody suffers from a hostile timer. no need to get into a debate over it :)

[McCOY]

It is one of the reasons that I went into semi-retirement from the game, after having the hard work undone.

Was NM Baaling, into about the sixth or seventh run, when a lvl 89 Sorc offered to join our party of 3, and help with some levels.

Being young and naive, I took my lvl 51 Summoner to his death sentence, and yes, within the blink of an eye, he was gone.

I tell you, I did not look away from the screen for at least the next hour, just staring at my corpse in disbelief :grin:

It is a shame, I do love playing HC, but tppk is one of the risks that you take doing so.

Cheers,
McCOY

[Cleglaw_Himself]

Yes, I do. But that has little to do with my request. Regardless of how it is done, it sounds like this has widely ruined open play. Unless I am missing something, a five second timer would solve this problem regardless.

Keep us posted PirateJax, especially if you get a Blizzard reply! :shocked:
We'll all start writing again then!

[PirateJax]

Keep us posted PirateJax, especially if you get a Blizzard reply! :shocked:
We'll all start writing again then!

I got a reply that basically said they cannot legally "use my suggestion if it is sent through email." So I need to post it on the tech support forums. I cant do this until my "new" used copy of D2 comes in through the mail with a CD key, as you need a CD key to post there. I looked through and was suprised no one has posted about it there. There are general complaints about hacks and dupes ect, but none specifially about this issue. Maybe that is part of the problem?

Any of you can feel free to post my message verbatum there if you want to show some initiative. Otherwise it will be about a week. The more people who complain to Blizz, the more likelyhood of this getting fixed.

[PhatTrumpet]

I'm dumbfounded... didn't STINGER send email after email a couple years or so back and didn't even get a standard reply until a few months later!?

[SonOfRah]

Tppk is rather easy to beat. Even more so when it is done manualy due to the nature of the method (its flawed due to certain gameplay mechanics). You can beat it rather easy by understanding how the game works - after all, it uses the game to accomplish the players death.

First is how they do it...
Sorc: Fireball, firewall, orb, blizzard, glacial spike, meteor
Zon: Guided arrows (reduced somewhat since GA no longer pierces), Multishot, some of the lightning skills (lightning fury + many monsters + tppk = much lightning and somewhat good chance of death).
Barb: Double throw
Pally: Conversion (yes, I used to kill known tppk players in cow runs. Nothing like "hearing" the effects of 6 converted cows that have almost 4 aura's on them - aura's last for approximately 2-4seconds after you leave the area)
Necro: Bone Spirit, Bone Spear
Druid: Some of the elemental skills can.
Assassin: not sure. used to be able to use traps.

How does it work:
With the exception of the pally technique, it is rather easy to see how they work. At its basics, their hack is saying I want to target this person with this spell/attack. The game says - I can't target this person with this hostile spell (because the player is currently friendly) BUT I can target the location s/he is currently at. Which is exactly how it works.

Avoiding
With the exception of tracing projectiles (bone spirit/GA) and teeth/multi-shot, you can avoid being tppk'd simply by moving slightly away on an angle to dodge the projectile.

Tracking projectiles you will need to get a little further away from as once they hit their given location they have a small area that they will start tracking someone in. GA is rather small, BS on the other hand has a rather large one as it is slow moving. Get monsters (or even other players) between you and your last possition. Doesn't work 100% of the time, but it helps.

Multi projectile abilities are different. 1 projectile will target 1 creature in a small arc in front of the user. More of a matter of moving to the side quickly to try and get out of the range of the projectiles.

AOE effects need to be watched for and moved out of.

Other tips:
Have a shield for weapon switch. Doesn't matter if you don't have good block. Extra armor and the ability to block is valueable. If that is not possible, put a staff of teleportation on your switch - the moment something feels wrong pull it out and give yourself distance.

Don't stay still for too long. Keep moving

Keep at least 1/2 of your belt filled with purples. Instant that hostile sound comes bash all 4 belt keys at once.


On a side note....
Blizzard doesn't care about this game anymore. Nothing will really change that much. The last real patch was 1.08. Patch 1.09 was ready for months before it finnaly was released and 1.10/1.11 were little more than content goodies.

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understanding the pk system:

http://forums.diabloii.net/search.php

[Alaina]

I've been on there, in the tech support forums they don't have any. On the "Suggestion boards there are 35+ pages of people talking about tppk.

You can’t petition on there and most likely they will tell you to post you message into the suggestions or do it them selves if you can get this to work, I will love you for the rest of my life. Well maybe not, but you’ll be a good friend for a while.

[Treflipin]

the only suggestions i can make are dont be a noob, now im not tryin to talk like im king **** of diablo 2 but seriously the only way u can get pkd is if ur not cautious and aware. If u just make sure ur always ready for the worst, then the worst can never happen watch lvls and classes learn who pk most. Now i feel that these classes/builds would be Multi shot zons, fireball sorcs, blizzsorcs id say those are the 3 main u dont see many necro tppks that much nemore.

But another thing and this is coming from some1 who has never tp pkd let alone pkd ne1 in my entire time of playing diablo which has been since the beginning im talkn about d1 through d2 1.11, in my opinion i think pkers are part of the game it makes hardcore what it is and just helps greater the challenge of hardcore, and i know it gets obnoxious sometimes but like i said before u learn the game u learn how not to get pkd.....You can only get pkd if you are stupid no offense to any1 out there but in my opinion this is how i feel.

So start practincing on ur save and exit or just make sure u always stay away from the pack in baal games thats my biggest tip stand to the side or in the back for the most part ur not needed anyway, you stand in the middle u will get pkd if there are pkers. And as far as normal games go.... u sense somethin gettin skethy make a tp and chill for a minute the games not going newhere just ur character if u die. Goodluck and be safe.... also check out my LADDER RESET POST!!!!