dual dream sorc?

[Bigru]

i remember ppl going on and on about them last ladder season while i still played nl, now im on ladder and finally in a position to afford it and i can't even find a guide on one :)

so are they still considered good?

i play both pvm and pvp

anyone show me a guide?

thanks mucho

bigru

[KaythonXE]

20 enchant
20 warmth
20 lightning mastery
20 tk
20 es
Rest in prereqs

Stats are easy
Str enough for gear
Dex enough for gear
Vita ~80-100
Energy The rest.

[Bigru]

none in fire mastery? surely the doube mastery effect would be extremely helpful?

thanks for help

also whats the best combo of light/fire charms if im not prebuffing? ill prob have 7 in my inv at a time, because i need 3 weaps, so ones gonna stay in my inv.

cta/beast/shael'd pb

[gunske]

1 golden hint : DONT EVER CREATE A MELEE SORCE !!!
i've made one, in pvm shes a decent FUN char and in pvp... CRAP

[emar]

There are guides in the stickies regarding Melee sorcs. Since I only briefly perused the list I don't actually know if there is anything on dual dreamers - might be worth taking a peek though.

If I recall correctly Aeonios (sp) posted a guide on a Meleer that used dual dreams. It would probably be useful to search 'Dream' or his name to see discussions on that sort of build and its viability.

I also believe Passion PB would be a better option than Beast. Unless of course you are going for the lunky bear look... To each their own

[Bigru]

thanks for the advice

im using beast solely for the wearbear, then switch to 4 shael 2x ias/ar jewel pb, for 4 frame attack speed, faster attacking than a pala using zeal.

im mostly pvm with a tiny bit of pvp, allthough i can definately see her sucking balls pvpwise

anyways thanks for your help

[gorash]

just remember u can't tele in bear form which made me dismantle my dual dream sorc when i figured this out when she was lvl 80..... lvl'd her for nothing lol

[Bigru]

thats fine pvm wise, tele to the area then transform, and whoop arse, but it sux for pvp.

[WhiteAlien]

check this out m8: http://www.poweradvantage.net/d2dmgsorc/d2dmgsorc1.html (Dual dream sorc Guide)

I made my sorc based on this guide. I can tell you that you will need goodly and very expensive gear to make hear viable.
Otherwise its realy cool and fun in PvM, have even done Hell Ancients alone, what is not typical for sorceress, but in PvP I could not figure out how to play.

[TheRisingX]

i have made one, with no ES and max block instead. i have to say, the 300dex put giving her 75% block resulted in a VERY weak character to spellcasters + smiters...i either should have made it max vit or max energy + ES..

however, i wouldnt hesitate to rebuild it, as it was very fun and entertaining to build.

[Quietus]

I just ran a few numbers.. now, this is just theorycrafting, but let's see.

Asuming : 2x dream

coh
robophase
dual sojs/bks
magefists
mara's
torch
anni
9 fire gc's
cta

And maxing :

fire mastery
enchant
warmth
lightning mastery

We're looking at (after the fire mastery bug) 12.6k fire damage average, with +410% light damage. With dual dreams, that light% turns into 8506 max light damage per hit (4250 average), with 1417 per pulse.

Any chance this could be effective in bear form? We'd be looking at around 12.6-20k damage, between fire and lightning, with 4 frame attacks. I can see some problems with ar, so you might need to sacrifice a bit of damage for angelic combo, we still get a 353% ar bonus from enchant with losing one ring and ammy.

[WhiteAlien]

i have made one, with no ES and max block instead. i have to say, the 300dex put giving her 75% block resulted in a VERY weak character to spellcasters + smiters...i either should have made it max vit or max energy + ES..

however, i wouldnt hesitate to rebuild it, as it was very fun and entertaining to build.

I would say it was fun to have it, not to build it. As to build is very hard since while you cant wear dreams you do realy crap dmg.

[Gimmershred]

I just ran a few numbers.. now, this is just theorycrafting, but let's see.

Asuming : 2x dream

coh
robophase
dual sojs/bks
magefists
mara's
torch
anni
9 fire gc's
cta

And maxing :

fire mastery
enchant
warmth
lightning mastery

We're looking at (after the fire mastery bug) 12.6k fire damage average, with +410% light damage. With dual dreams, that light% turns into 8506 max light damage per hit (4250 average), with 1417 per pulse.

Any chance this could be effective in bear form? We'd be looking at around 12.6-20k damage, between fire and lightning, with 4 frame attacks. I can see some problems with ar, so you might need to sacrifice a bit of damage for angelic combo, we still get a 353% ar bonus from enchant with losing one ring and ammy.

Don't use fire gc's, but lightning gc's. Every lightsk adds around 2k damage.
When you are going bear get a phaseblade with 95% ias on it.
Use dual soj and take frosties instead of magefists. Then put 1 point in es and rest of your points in tk. And get life/mana sc's (especially mana). Although you get es then, still put almost every point in vita, since bear and bo will both boost it.
Get an act 3 merc with infinity, it lowers enemy res and defense.
If you notice you have ar problems switch mara's for metalgrid or a soj for a raven. With the merc, angelics really isn't necessary.
The rest looks fine to me.

p.s. For pvp i rather have a zealing sorc then a bear, tele is just too handy. And you can't be arsed with getting enough frw on your bear. And for pvp you want either a metalgrid+hsarus boots+belt setup for around +-11k ar. Or a angelics+hsarus boots+belt setup for +-20k ar.

Good bear option would also be to use a 5*15ias/15res jeweled + shaeled pb.
Then equip Guardian angel armor and stat dex for max block with dream shield. The jewels in your pb will cost a lot though.