Freezadin Good?

[DiabloAvenger]

Are freezadins good in hell?
What weapon should i use with it to, I have a bhammer with +2 pally skills and 107 dmg but no ias.

[Fearlessone]

You will probably be hitting slow with that weapon, high dmg or not. Also, I suppose u intend to use the HF aura, it doesnt have any ias or attack rating bonus such as fanaticism. That means you may have trouble in the higher difficulties hitting monsters. There was a discussion about this several months ago, try a search. Cold damage doubles the slowdown, but only on monsters you successfully hit.

Poor hitting can be largely solved with several angelic items: one of the rings and ammy for example. This is a big sacrifice for resists found usually on rings, but then ur shield can offset that. You might also make sure u get high attrating rings.

HF is a great aura in parties when the mobs get thick. I also use it with a decent level of conversion, if a summoner isnt around, to create 1-3 converts and keep the mob off the party (and me). You will want to nearly max HF, or do max it, and with +skills it will nearly cover the entire screen.

Good to see interest in non-hammer pally builds. But unless u are ruthless at accumulating info on how to build this char, u will probably suck at killing by late hell and may be very disappointed. Still, the party contribution of a frostadin is tremendous.

[tdlofcc]

I'd go for a flail ... for fast attack.
Find one with 20 ias, so you can use sigons or deaths for 30ias.
You'll make the 5fpa, the one after is impossible, 142% IAS needed.

[WarlockCC]

I'd go for a flail ... for fast attack.
Find one with 20 ias, so you can use sigons or deaths for 30ias.
You'll make the 5fpa, the one after is impossible, 142% IAS needed.
On my freezer I use the Generals flail(20ias). So bessides the slow from the cold, you also get the slow from the generals. Yes, this does stack, but one after the other. Say your cold slow is 54% from a level 20 cold aura, the monster will be at 46% of it's original speed, then the 50% slow from the Generals puts the monster at 46/2 = 23% of it's original speed.
Well, I speculate that is how it works based on what I have seen, I'll leave it to others to confirm or deny this to be true.

Like TDL already typed, you will get the 5fpa zeal attack breakpoint if you have 42 or more ias. The next one cannot be reached without fana, using a flail.
So deaths or sigs gloves with 1 other item of that set, plus the generals and you will have that 5fpa.
Or, 10ias gloves (bloodfist ?)Twitch and the Generals, twitch will also help with the blocking.
Or use goldwrap, chancies, twitch and generals. Options galore.

Note that even with a cutlass, you would need 72 ias, which just is not possible in classic.
Other then that, you could consider using the angelic sabre, which, when used with 2 other angelic items, will have 30ias on the sabre. Speedwise it's the same as the flail, so you would need 42 ias for the 5fpa breakpoint and 142 for the next. It's a choice really. With the sabre, you will get the +1 skills bonus on the Angelic amulet and the 50%mf per ring. The AR is something you will probably need, so you may wish to use angelics.
With the generals you will have them slowed to a near halt, meaning less attacks on you and because of the twitch, more attacks blocked. And they also cannot run away because they are just too slow. :)
Needless to say Invaders(monster type, check superunique Fire Eye) because a source of entertainment when they try to run away at 23% of their normal speed.

[Noite Escura]

I'm planning on making one using Full Cleglaw's +Goblin. They usually lack killing power after Norm but survivability is amazing. My former Freezadin with several misplaced points used Ta-Do-Li-Ga,Steelclash and Howltusk. At level 25 he could tank a whole screen of 8 player Cows

[Akukami]

Try for a high damage Naga or Knout if you can.

- Akukami

[sjmnag]

Can anyone give me the skill and stat points they have for this build

I need to take something for a spin my CSzon just lost the ability to make NM cows, so I'm gunna make a character to make the cows for her..

Thanks, it'll be much appreciated.

[Byrdie]

Anyone thats interested in Freezealots need to check this link, its a guid built for xpac but it has a ton of extreamly useful info on this build.
Heres the link: http://strategy.diabloii.net/news.php?id=542

[DiabloAvenger]

if I use a naga, how much ias will i need on the weapon and on my items?
Would cleglaws be better? I heard that they are good on zealers.

Where can I find angelics sabar and is mana leach needed since zeal is only 2?
Also, the items I have in mind is Sigons helm, Gloves, Angelic sabar,1 ring, ammy, mana leach ring?, steelclash, and some random boots because i dont wanna take my barbs gobs and my armor will be rattlecage for crushing blow.
Would these items be good to do soemthing in hell?

[purplelocust]

if I use a naga, how much ias will i need on the weapon and on my items?
Would cleglaws be better? I heard that they are good on zealers.

Where can I find angelics sabar and is mana leach needed since zeal is only 2?
Also, the items I have in mind is Sigons helm, Gloves, Angelic sabar,1 ring, ammy, mana leach ring?, steelclash, and some random boots because i dont wanna take my barbs gobs and my armor will be rattlecage for crushing blow.
Would these items be good to do soemthing in hell?
I've made many Frostalots and they work well with poor gear. One thing that you will need to decide is how to manage cold immunes, and there are several obvious approaches- raw physical damage, crushing blow, or Holy Shock. A bunch of the suggestions above are focusing on raw physical damage (you'll want to invest in Sacrifice and Zeal to get the increase in damage) but the other approaches are worth mentioning.

For crushing blow, it doesn't really matter what your raw physical damage is- you just want to hit often and have crushing blow trigger. Cleg's full set works very well here (and has great raw physical damage as well) and also an option is Crushflange, which works well. Rattlecage and Goblin Toes are off-weapon sources of crushing blow that can help a ton.

For a Holy Shock option for cold immunes, you can invest in Holy Shock and Salvation and not worry about physical damage. The mana cost of Zeal is small enough that you don't need to worry about having a big physical damage to leech. I've done well using the Diggler (believe it or not) on Frostalots and Tesladins. In Hell, you may have AR problems if you aren't investing in Zeal above 4, but with the Ignores Target Defence on the Diggler, you hit normal monsters well and the 30% IAS on a -20 speed base weapon it does a great job, particularly considering how cheap it is. It's also great in the CS since Iron Maiden only reflects the physical damage and for the Diggler that won't hurt much, let alone kill you. ITD also is easy to find on shopped wands, and I think there is some nice comedy value in using a wand (Bone wand or Tomb wand are faster, base -20 speed) with a zealot, and an ITD wand actually works ok. Even nicer are ITD scepters, and there can be some very nice rare scepters in that category. Probably the nicest possible weapon for pally using HF and HS would be a 40% IAS +2 pally +3HS +3HF +3 Zeal 200% ED divine scepter with ITD and maybe leech, but that would take lifetimes of MFing to find.

[WarlockCC]

Can anyone give me the skill and stat points they have for this build

I need to take something for a spin my CSzon just lost the ability to make NM cows, so I'm gunna make a character to make the cows for her..

Thanks, it'll be much appreciated.
I just filled Holy freeze and it's synergies(Salvation being one of them)
And took a point in Holy shock(Salvation is also a synergy for this)
My freezer rarely ventures into Hell though, so you'll have to figure out a Hell viable build from that lod link. LoD links can be handy, if they just describe the 'theory' behind a build, then you can apply classic items and skillpoint balance to that theory. I just made my freezer to MF norm and nm. In there he uses a Gull rather then his General, milabrega shield in stead of Steelcach and tanc amy,armor & some nagels in stead of twitch and angelics.

[Byrdie]

Open wounds works well for LIs too... all it takes is a quick wep switch and maybe a shield and you have 50-100% OW. Drains life like mad.

[fredsta54]

I just filled Holy freeze and it's synergies(Salvation being one of them)
And took a point in Holy shock(Salvation is also a synergy for this)
My freezer rarely ventures into Hell though, so you'll have to figure out a Hell viable build from that lod link. LoD links can be handy, if they just describe the 'theory' behind a build, then you can apply classic items and skillpoint balance to that theory. I just made my freezer to MF norm and nm. In there he uses a Gull rather then his General, milabrega shield in stead of Steelcach and tanc amy,armor & some nagels in stead of twitch and angelics.

Bah its a poor idea to max salvation for more cold dmg, you need physical as well (well it makes you kill much faster...)

On a full clegs holy freezealot (best option imo)

I go

20 HF
20 RC
Few holy shield
20 zeal
10/10 to salvation/sacrifice




Fred

[DiabloAvenger]

what other items should u wear with clegs and wouldnt it be a better idea to max sacrifice before zeal since it increases its damage more?

[fredsta54]

what other items should u wear with clegs and wouldnt it be a better idea to max sacrifice before zeal since it increases its damage more?

u need ar, w/o maxed zeal you would need to use angelics... i prefer leach/ar/res rings + pally pris ammy.. in conjunction with clegs ar per clvl its enough





Fred

[Noite Escura]

I like the Cleglaws+Goblin idea becasue on a Full elemental Freezadin, 60% Crushing Blow will certainly help a lot vanishing Cold immunes

[fredsta54]

I like the Cleglaws+Goblin idea becasue on a Full elemental Freezadin, 60% Crushing Blow will certainly help a lot vanishing Cold immunes

Yup... and in hell act 4 (vs urdars) it only takes 1 zeal to kill one. And vs cold immunes it still kills fast enough to be viable





Fred

[DiabloAvenger]

Would using rattlecage instead of goblin toe work or should my armor be something good?

[fredsta54]

Would using rattlecage instead of goblin toe work or should my armor be something good?

Rattlecage is bad. 60 cb is enough, and monster flees mods is very annoying. I think gskin is your best bet





Fred

[purplelocust]

Bah its a poor idea to max salvation for more cold dmg, you need physical as well (well it makes you kill much faster...)

There are a couple of possibilities for Frostalots. All Frostalots should max Holy Freeze and Resist Cold, then the question is how to deal with cold immunes. A couple of possibilities:

1) Go with physical/crushing blow. For this route, maxing Zeal and Sacrifice works well. A divine scepter with IAS is one of my favorites here, and of course Cleg's works wonders this way.

2) Go with Holy Shock. For this, put points in Holy Shock and Salvation, which synergizes with Holy Shock and Holy Freeze. The Holy Shock damage is good for dealing with cold immunes (without points in Resist Lightning, you don't have as much damage as a pure Tesladin, but you are only using HS on cold immunes, so it works ok.) For this option, the physical damage you deal is irrelevant, so here a fast ITD weapon like the Diggler or a rare wand works well except against bosses.

3) Go with pure cold. For this, max HF, RC and Salvation and hope that you are playing in a party or just run around the cold immunes.

4) Play with an enchantress in town. Not only is your overall killing speed nice, but you can cope with cold immunes with fire. Some people consider playing with two computers kind of cheesy, though. Nice thing about an enchantress is also the AR boost so you can put points in Sacrifice instead of Zeal to get better physical damage.

One thing I find annoying with Frostalots and Tesladins is that your aura sets off the lightning bursts from beetles and lightning enchanced bosses, which can be bad or even deadly, depending upon resists. So another option is to put some points in Fanaticism to use around lightning enhanced bosses, which of course works best with the physical damage option #1 above.

Of the four methods, I agree with Fred that the physical damage option is the best route, but you may want to consider the other options as well. And don't underestimate the value of Holy Shield- the blocking rate alone is a huge plus (no need for faster block anymore since it's already amazingly quick) and the boost in chance to block is great, and then there is the overall defence boost as well.