psn necro viable for killing?

[YoquE]

hi all :tongue:
i´ve always liked the poison dealing characters, and one of the most obvious choices among them must be the psn nova mancer...
never tried one though, but are thinking of making one now...

1 ) just want to ask if they are good enough to really dominate the duel games ?

i mean, since normally the resistance u get to be highest is psn, and almost everytime psn get maxed first..

2) can u get enough lower enemey´s psn res to do some dmg with his psn..

for instance, i made a rabies druid, and he got really high psn dmg, but that attack is worthless, since its over such a long time, and since the enemies got high res... it´s pointless..
though i gave him lots and lots of psn facets, and also a deaths web, to lower the resist, try for fun ^^ , and it actually helped quite alot :P

well.. guess im just rambling on now, the main questions is out, and if someone is kind enough to answer them, and maybe get the whole idea what i try to say, he can answer that as well :)

ty all @ this great forum !

[dekarclad]

Psn Nova mancers are pretty much jokes. The problem is that they can't get close enough for their spell to be effective, or if they do it doesn't deal enough damage. Or the necro dies because of a ww'ing barb or a few fireballs.

[Omikron8]

and large amounts of poison res are available on many many items

eg. sandstorm trek

[RetroStar]

I disagree.

Psn necros are very good duelers. You might argue that people can stack psn resist with antidote/items BUT, how many pvp chars out there actually carry items like death hand, psn resist shields, sandtrek (for us east nl everyone uses rare boots nearly).

dek: that is why psn necros can go up to 125% fcr tele. hammerdins have crap range, and they are top pub duelers out there. ofcourse you can argue they desync. and psn nova's dmg doesn't suck with lower resist.

omikron: as i said, not a lot of people carry all these in their stash.

Yes Psn necros arn't the best duelers out there but they can definately hold their ground and can definately take over a pub game. Remember not a lot of people actually have max psn resist and have stacks.

I have a psn necro on us east nl and he does very well.

Edit: Also psn necro can use very good summons (due to high amount of skill points left over) for tanking / fhr stun.

[Archedgar]

I have to agree with the others, poison resist is way too readily available on popular items.

Atma's scarab and sandstorm trek are 2 good examples.

I think the biggest problem to playing a poison necro is that even if your damage is huge, you have the problem that you need to land your attack, which is difficult to do... even if you land it, you will need to finish the enemy with another non poison attack.

I'd say it works better in a team of 2 or more than solo...

[order]

i'm begining to see more psn summoners on nl us west. they can be pretty decent duelers against most classes. just make sure u use enough -res gear and master the use of curses (ie. iron maiden for ww barbs). only problem about this build is it takes a while to gather summons.

[RetroStar]

I have to agree with the others, poison resist is way too readily available on popular items.

Atma's scarab and sandstorm trek are 2 good examples.

I think the biggest problem to playing a poison necro is that even if your damage is huge, you have the problem that you need to land your attack, which is difficult to do... even if you land it, you will need to finish the enemy with another non poison attack.

I'd say it works better in a team of 2 or more than solo...

Again.

1) Realistically, how many duelers you think will carry atma's scarab/sandstorm trek in stash. Yes, some use sandstorm trek as primary boots but you need to consider the effect of lower resist curse which means you will need MULTIPLE source of psn resist to stack against it.

2) Novas have no fcr delay which means you can spam constantly, you can play it similar to a tele-hammerdin. You'll land a hit faster than a hammerdin too since hammers spiral out.

3) That's why psn nova necros use fire golem for the last hit or teeth.

[RetroStar]

can't edit.

And for all of you people who think nova radius is too small. It covers 3/4 of your screen in 800x600 mode.

That is a lot bigger than hammerfields. It is comparable to charged bolts, wof, etc.

[SicHalo]

I think a psn nec is feasible in duel cuz from experience, not many players cary res gear or psn length reduction gear to deal with necs.

Also not many dueler even know about the use of antidote prebuff etc.

Sandstorm is quite common in a setup but still this on its own is still not enough to negate the psn completly u will still need other items.

Also Iron maiden vs barbs usally gets combated with a tele-zerk or a life tap wand so that would not work.

[order]

true with the lt wand. not many bother to carry one tho except the really good ones.

[hmw]

I agree w/ RetroStar, venomancers can be very good duelers. You just have to get the right equip to make him really shine. W/ a couple of psn rainbow facets along w/ lower resi and d.web you can lower their resi by 130-150, this means that you will have to stack 305-325 psn resi, which is more than just atma's and sandstorm trek.

[LorveN]

venomancers can be really good, though, if you really want to negate their damage, you can. Psn length reduce is the doom for venomancers, unfortunately.

[Rabbitz]

I have to agree with the others, poison resist is way too readily available on popular items.

Atma's scarab and sandstorm trek are 2 good examples.

I think the biggest problem to playing a poison necro is that even if your damage is huge, you have the problem that you need to land your attack, which is difficult to do... even if you land it, you will need to finish the enemy with another non poison attack.

I'd say it works better in a team of 2 or more than solo...

U probably haven't played a poison nec, hitting someone with poisonnova is easier than say hitting someone with fireball. Most 'good' poisonmancers know how to lay out poison 'mats' , just like bvc's to be supreme neeed great skills with leap/tele/ww poisonmancers need to be able have about 2.5 screens of poison at all times

[Boomba]

psn necros are okay... but they are still no where as good as other classes out there in terms of pvp. they just require too much for such little outcome. Bonemancers stil lreign supreme over the psn ones. the psn necro is gonna be gg to everyone. psn necros no matter how good you are will still porally lose to some of the "better" pvp classes.

[RetroStar]

psn necros are okay... but they are still no where as good as other classes out there in terms of pvp. they just require too much for such little outcome. Bonemancers stil lreign supreme over the psn ones. the psn necro is gonna be gg to everyone. psn necros no matter how good you are will still porally lose to some of the "better" pvp classes.

Wanna elaborate?

[HappyAssassin]

I think he's pointing out that even a Poisonmancer with near perfect gear and a good player is still very vulnarable bonemancers, smiters, bvcs and a few other pvp classes even when the the chars in question aren't particularly good. Ive seen this a few times this ladder myself. I recently saw a psn necro doing moderately well in duels and asked to see his gear. I was shocked to find that he has a phenominally expensive gear setup, with pweb, godly necro circlet and all the trimmings. With such good gear, I'd have expected him to be doing better.

Its not that Poison Necro is a weak build, its just that it cant really be a dominant dueler like the more popular classes. Props to anyone who builds one though, cause theyre a challange and if you really practice with one it can be strong.

[Speederländer]

I have to agree with the others, poison resist is way too readily available on popular items.

Atma's scarab and sandstorm trek are 2 good examples.

I think the biggest problem to playing a poison necro is that even if your damage is huge, you have the problem that you need to land your attack, which is difficult to do... even if you land it, you will need to finish the enemy with another non poison attack.

I'd say it works better in a team of 2 or more than solo...

Nova can actually kill. You don't need a non-poison attack to finish them.

[Gotcha]

I have a old decked out PVP novamancer/max block, etc. and he does real well in general pubs except for when the opponent has max poison resist stacked along with grrrrrrrrrrrrrrrrrrrrrrrr 2 carrions and sandstorms. Even with LR and death's web most opponents can live long enough to get through your max block, especially barbs. In general though for so many pub games out there most duelers do not carry enough PR items in stash since there are few novamancers around so they can actually rock until the prepared dueler enters to abs them.

[Ce Olba]

I have a old decked out PVP novamancer/max block, etc. and he does real well in general pubs except for when the opponent has max poison resist stacked along with grrrrrrrrrrrrrrrrrrrrrrrr 2 carrions and sandstorms. Even with LR and death's web most opponents can live long enough to get through your max block, especially barbs. In general though for so many pub games out there most duelers do not carry enough PR items in stash since there are few novamancers around so they can actually rock until the prepared dueler enters to abs them.

A few points I bolded there, which I disagree with.

a) it only takes ~Death's Hand+4x Antidotes or even less to make your poison useless enough. My 6k life BvC ONLY uses Antidotes.
b) You cannot absorb poison, not even with cyclone armor, you can only reduce it _A LOT_ (75% PLR 95% PRes+70Stacked=pretty much minimal dmg received).

[Valvolux]

When dueling in pubbies, only 1 in 100 chars are not taken down to 1 life in a single nova. Poison chars are so rare that virtually no one carries extra gear in stash to deal with them.

[zeiris]

The only problem I found with poison necs is they're kinda weak... Getting the right balance of -res, FCR, resists, and FHR is tough. You NEED good res and max FHR, else you're totally screwed. Oh, and nec block speeds suck.

[RetroStar]

A few points I bolded there, which I disagree with.

a) it only takes ~Death's Hand+4x Antidotes or even less to make your poison useless enough. My 6k life BvC ONLY uses Antidotes.
b) You cannot absorb poison, not even with cyclone armor, you can only reduce it _A LOT_ (75% PLR 95% PRes+70Stacked=pretty much minimal dmg received).

Don't anditional antidotes increase duration of your psn resist only after you drink your first one.

and bvcs/ww sins are pretty much on the char I see that actually wears deaths hands or even have them in stash.

[Gotcha]

A few points I bolded there, which I disagree with.

a) it only takes ~Death's Hand+4x Antidotes or even less to make your poison useless enough. My 6k life BvC ONLY uses Antidotes.
b) You cannot absorb poison, not even with cyclone armor, you can only reduce it _A LOT_ (75% PLR 95% PRes+70Stacked=pretty much minimal dmg received).

I love Poison necs, do not get me wrong.

In pub games most people do not carry that much to negate poison. I was just stating 3 items that do the job and the rings take up little stash space, that is all.

If you want to negate poison to where it does minimal damage over a period of time (I.E. enough time to kill the poison necro) it is easily possible with many gear options along with your choice death's hands, etc.

I did not mean poison can be absorbed, If I stated that "my bad" sorry.

Also in PVP if an opponent uses antidote potions then general potting (other then mana pots) becomes a free for all since other then mana pots in most duels (negating ES sorcy's) is the only potting that IMO is not BM. So rejuvs become an option also. I Know here we go on the BM thing again. LOL.

[garion]

Nova can actually kill. You don't need a non-poison attack to finish them.
i was under the impression that it only brings player chars down to 1 hp?

also i agree psn necs are decent duelers...you don't have to aim your nova...and with lower res + dweb + another +/- 25% trangs combo...you're doing decent dmg...

and like any char you can stack res against (javazon, sorcs, trapsins...etc)

and like ALL PvP chars each one has a weaknesses than can be exploited.....hence the abundance of different Class/builds of PvP chars...just some have fewer exploits :grin:

ultimately it doesn't matter how you do in PvP..as long as you have fun..be it amongst friends or in pubbys....besides no matter how good you are there is always someone out there better than you....:thumbsup:

[FrostBurn]

i was under the impression that it only brings player chars down to 1 hp?

Yes, but the next PN kills them on impact.

[garion]

no way?!?

well in anycase ive never seen a psn nec in a duel before..so they are pretty rare...furthermore...i could stack against them...but i don't carry any gear..why would i....i've never run into one =P

[RetroStar]

no way?!?

well in anycase ive never seen a psn nec in a duel before..so they are pretty rare...furthermore...i could stack against them...but i don't carry any gear..why would i....i've never run into one =P

you could. but you'll never be able to stack enough. :shocked: unless you go crazy.

[garion]

i agree with that also...and if im that stacked for psn im sure the summons/revives will start being able to do a bit more dmg....

its not like the psn nec doesn't have other curses

IM
amp
decrep
wall
prison

that they can throw at you...you just never know...depends on who you play against...

i still have yet to use my psn nec....ive only kill my buddy's pure summoner =P....to which i must say...i need more fcr for my psn nec =P

[Rabbitz]

i agree with that also...and if im that stacked for psn im sure the summons/revives will start being able to do a bit more dmg....

its not like the psn nec doesn't have other curses

IM
amp
decrep
wall
prison

that they can throw at you...you just never know...depends on who you play against...

i still have yet to use my psn nec....ive only kill my buddy's pure summoner =P....to which i must say...i need more fcr for my psn nec =P

Yea, just as much as bowies need ias

and if u never met a poisonnec....be at aww at my poison/summoner :D

[garion]

hey rabbitz where are you getting your fcr from?