Help with a PVP build, please!

[Calo Nord]

Another build wasted...87 levels for nothing..but, I will make another pvp build. :)

So I ask, what to build? A bone necro? I want a PURE pvp char, I can level fine off CS.

I have the upcoming weekend to make a new char, so please post your best thoughts on a PURE PVP build.

Bone necros seem to do well but than again so do hdins..

I would idealy want a build that requires very little equipment switching and can basicly take a few hits without dying.

Thanks, everyone!

[fredsta54]

You seem keen on a bone necro so i say go for it :)

They can take a few hits and dont need much gear switching, are effective, so... bone necro ftw







Fred

[Calo Nord]

You seem keen on a bone necro so i say go for it :)

They can take a few hits and dont need much gear switching, are effective, so... bone necro ftw







Fred

Ok, can you tell me the skill layout and some decent dueling gear for a necro?
And any strategy?

Thanks,
Calo

[fredsta54]

Ok, can you tell me the skill layout and some decent dueling gear for a necro?
And any strategy?

Thanks,
Calo


Try mhl12's bone necro guide in the sticky's






Fred

[DiabloAvenger]

For a bone necro, you should max bone spirit, bone spear, bone prison, bone wall, teeth in that order. Maxing bone prison and wall increases bone spirits damage just as much as teeth but what teeth doesn't do is increase bone armor life. Hopefully you can find a decent wand with decripify so you won't have to waste 3 points as a prereq for decripify. You want to be a pure PvP so decripify is the only curse that will help you and your bone spells.

For stats, you should have enough strenght for gear.
Keep base dex because an ok wand is better then shard.
Put extra stats into vitality of course.
Energy is an iffy depending on personal perferences and items that you can get.
I like to wear Frostburns for mana so I can pump vitality more. You can wear sojs and other gear that increases mana to. Just find items that you think will give a decent amount of mana without having to drink mana pots all the time.

Your gear should have alot of resistance for sorcs and Foh.
Irathas will give you alot of resistance but to wear the complete set you will have to replace Frostburns for the gloves. Your shield could be a 3 socket diamond shield and your boots should have 30frw with alittle resistance. A resist helm with fhr will help you alot but you can settle with wormskull to increase your damage. Your rings should have fcr and resistance. Mana/life/strength are good bonuses. Your wand should have +2skills with resistance,20 fcr and atleast a +1 to decrip to save you skill points. Umes Lament is a good starter wand because it has +40 to mana and +3(i think +3 but I could be wrong) to decrip and an additional +2 all skills but it doesn't have any resistance.

The gear above can obviously be replaced by GG rares and whatnot but I trust you can figure out if you have enough rares to fill up your nec better then the gear I said.
Things to look for in the rares is fhr,resistance,-requir,life,mana,and strength. The shield should have fhr,resistance,faster block rate and increase chance of block and -requir.

[fredsta54]

Starter bone necro gear, in my eyes

Umes
Twitch + 3pdiamond kite OR bbat + 30/20 pris bone
30 r/w res boots
Magefist
+nec pris ammy
1 fcr res ring
1 stat/res ring

If you want 80 fcr, use WOE + another fcr ring. Switch between the 2 as needed vs diffirent opponents

Umes is great for +2 nec, 20 fcr, and + to decrip. Once you get a better rare wand with these mods + resists and decrip, use that instead

Personally i think bbat is the best pvp bone nec armour, with light gear + bbat + 30 r.w boots, you run rele fast which is essential imo for a boner





Fred

[CheeseRYummy]

For stats, you should have enough strenght for gear.
Keep base dex because an ok wand is better then shard.
Put extra stats into vitality of course.
Energy is an iffy depending on personal perferences and items that you can get.
I like to wear Frostburns for mana so I can pump vitality more. You can wear sojs and other gear that increases mana to. Just find items that you think will give a decent amount of mana without having to drink mana pots all the time.



Place nothing into energy(chuging mana is the way to go), and if you want to play in the top of your game, DO NOT go with frosties, its much better to get +stats so you can pump more into vit.


Personally i think bbat is the best pvp bone nec armour, with light gear + bbat + 30 r.w boots, you run rele fast which is essential imo for a boner

Haha! you said boner!

:laugh:

Damn I'm bored...

[Calo Nord]

Well I am making an hdin atm, purely for pvp.

Im level 21 with 24 skills to place
All my stats have gone into vita

I need advice on what to wear, what skills to max first and the min dex/strength I should put points into.

Any help is greatful!

Thanks,
Calo

[Calo Nord]

Any advice on using a hdin for pvp?

Any general advice and medicore gear setups to godly setups?

[Calo Nord]

Fredsta, Akumi, Chucky, and other godlike people with great advice - can you please give advice on gear, tactics, stats, skill placement for this hdin?

Thanks,
Calo

[Akukami]

HDins are mostly for PvM, but are very effective in PvP if you know what you're doing. PvP HDins are mostly about FHR and Life with resists coming after both of them. Here's an ideal setup to aim for:

Helmet: 10 FHR + Life + CR, FR, LR Bone/Grim Helm
Weapon: Spectral Shard or +2 Pala + 10 FCR + BHammers + Conc Scepter
Shield: +2 Pala + 17/30/20 + Priz Bone/Grim Shield
Armor: 24 FHR + Life + CR, FR, LR + Dex/Str Light/Mage Plate
Gloves: Magefist
Boots: 30 FRW + 10 FHR + CR, FR LR + 8 Dex Demonhide Boots (Just my choice of footwear, but any boots under 55 Str is fine unless you have really good Greaves.)
Belt: 24 FHR + Life + CR, FR, LR + 20 Str Demonhide Sash
Rings: Stone of Jordan, 10 FCR + Life + CR, FR, LR + Dex/Str Ring
Amulet: +2 Pala + Life + Priz + Dex/Str Amulet

Stats: (Assuming you go with Bone Helm, Bone Shield, Shard, and Light Plate)
Base Str, Base Dex, Base Energy, All Vita

Skills: Max Conc, BHammers, Vigor in that order, 1 Charge, 1 Redemption, 1 Salvation (optional), 1 Meditation (optional), 1 to whatever pre-reqs are needed, rest to Holy Shield

Now, I'm pretty sure you're thinking that you don't have that kind of gear I just mentioned, so here's a nice starter setup:

Helmet: 3-Socket PRuby Mask
Weapon: Spectral Shard
Shield: 3-Socket PDiamond Large Shield
Armor: Twitchthroe
Gloves: Magefist
Boots: 30 FRW + 10 FHR + CR, FR + Dex Boots (Try for Chain Boots or lighter)
Belt: FHR + Life + Res + Str Belt (Try for a Demonhide Sash or lighter)
Rings: FCR + Life + Res + Dex/Str Ring x 2
Amulet: +1 or 2 Pala + high CR, FR/LR Amulet

Depending on how well your gear holds up, you may have to put a little into Str and Dex to meet the requirements. Otherwise, dump all your points into Vita.

For dueling strategy, just Charge around with Vigor then switch to Conc + BHammers and let the hammers fly. Rule of thumb: keep moving, and never stand still.

Good luck with this.

- Akukami

[DiabloAvenger]

Skills: Max Conc, BHammers, Vigor in that order, 1 Charge, 1 Redemption, 1 Salvation (optional), 1 Meditation (optional), 1 to whatever pre-reqs are needed, rest to Holy Shield

Max blessed aim after vigor :P

[HardkoreHarry]

Should also add the fcr breakpoints, as Akukami's post didn't mention them. Here are the relevant ones for pallys:

30 fcr = 12 frames
48 fcr = 11 frames
75 fcr = 10 frames

For a shard pally I say get 80 fcr, for sceptor get 50.

[Akukami]

Should also add the fcr breakpoints, as Akukami's post didn't mention them. Here are the relevant ones for pallys:

30 fcr = 12 frames
48 fcr = 11 frames
75 fcr = 10 frames

For a shard pally I say get 80 fcr, for sceptor get 50.

Ah yes, I forgot to put that up. If using a Shard Pala, shoot for 80 FCR via Shard, Magefist, and 10 FCR from your jewelry. If going the Scept route, try for 50 with a 10 FCR Scept, Magefist, and 20 FCR from a Ring and your Ammy. If you can't do this, then you can go 30 FCR.

- Akukami

[Calo Nord]

Hdin is level 47 now and I have 115 stats to put in..

1.) Where to put them? (I am being a shard using pally)

2.) What is the str req for a mage plate and a 20/30 grim/bone shield?

Thanks for the advice, and more is always appreciated!

Also, thanks to Fredsta for the FREE shard! :)

Thanks,
Calo

[Noite Escura]

1) Enought to wear the equipment you intend to use and rest into Vitality. If you are not having troble surviving you can save just what you need and wait for better stuff.
2) Bone Shield is 25 Str, Grim is 58. Mage Plate requires 55 Str.

[Calo Nord]

Level 60 now and I have the 80 fcr but my resis are horrible. I need better boots, armor, helm and a ring - but I am scared to put more into strength.

Any ideas on how to get better resis or must I put more into strength?

Thanks,
Calo

[Monzee]

Level 60 now and I have the 80 fcr but my resis are horrible. I need better boots, armor, helm and a ring - but I am scared to put more into strength.

Any ideas on how to get better resis or must I put more into strength?

Thanks,
Calo

Hmm if you are using the 3pdiamond large shield + shard that gives 69% all res I think. That ought to be like 19% all res on hell. Have you considered full irathas? (+10 to max res, 65% all res 20% run/walk AND still leaves boots open). If not that might be an answer to your problem :wink3: The 80% fcr is still possible to reach with 2fcr rings + amu.. Might cost you getting a good amulet though

[fredsta54]

Hey man, this is what i suggest you do

Go base dex, with up to 80 in strength

Full ithara
Shard
Gskin
+2/17 fhr shield, 30/20 is also nice. It doesnt need any resists on it, so you can get it cheap
2X fr lr rings
Hotspur

Yeah... thats all folks :P








Fred

[DiabloAvenger]

How much + skills do you need for a pally to be good with CSing with 80fcr?

[tdlofcc]

How much + skills do you need for a pally to be good with CSing with 80fcr?

Well, you're missing out on the +2skills from the sceptre/sword so you can only get +4. Ammy +2 and shield +2. If not using a 3PD shield. Then you're stuck with +2 from the ammy.

[DiabloAvenger]

Will having just +1 be strong enough for csing solo?

[DiabloAvenger]

if I have +2 skills with 80 fr and 63 lr, is it alright if my cr is exactly at 0? would it be a better idea to do +1 skills and use a p diamond shield?

[fredsta54]

Will having just +1 be strong enough for csing solo?

You can solo cs with no + skills if your life, resists, and fcr is nice. Having said that, i aim for a minimum of + 2skills when csing




Fred