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LunarSolaris
07-04-2006, 19:16
Texas Mom Not Guilty by Reason of Insanity
By JULIA GLICK, Associated Press Writer
1 hour ago

McKINNEY, Texas - A woman accused of cutting off her 10-month-old daughter's arms and leaving the baby in her crib to die was found not guilty by reason of insanity at a retrial Friday.

Dena Schlosser, 38, will be sent to a state mental hospital for 30 days. She could then be released if she's deemed not to be a threat to herself or others.

Police arrested Schlosser in 2004 after she told a 911 operator she had severed her baby's arms. Officers found the baby, Margaret, near death and Schlosser covered in blood, holding a knife and listening to a hymn.

At her first trial, the jury deadlocked on the murder charge in February, with 10 of the 12 jurors saying Schlosser was insane. The deadlock forced a mistrial, and the two sides agreed last week to have Judge Chris Oldner decide the case.

Defense attorneys told the judge last week that Schlosser had a brain tumor that could have caused hallucinations before the killing _ an argument not heard by the jury because the tumor hadn't been confirmed by a neurologist until weeks later.

Oldner issued the verdict without elaboration Friday morning.

Schlosser was quiet as bailiffs led her away.

Defense attorney David Haynes said she had hoped for hospitalization because "she feels it is her best chance to get better."

"We have a just verdict in a just case, but yes, it is bittersweet," he said.

Prosecutor Curtis Howard said he thought that Schlosser was guilty and that there wasn't enough evidence to prove insanity. He said the fact she told her husband afterward that she had "killed the baby" proved she knew what she was doing.

"This is a case that could have gone both ways; we knew that," Howard said.

The case against Schlosser had hinged on whether she had severe mental problems that kept her from knowing her actions were wrong.

Several psychiatrists had testified that Schlosser lost touch with reality, suffered severe mood swings and experienced religious hallucinations and delusions. One doctor said she told him she wanted to cut off her baby's arms and her own limbs and head and give them God.

The defense faulted Schlosser's husband for not getting her adequate mental health treatment and also blamed her preacher, Doyle Davidson, who believes only God can cure mental illness.

The state argued the defense was trying to deflect responsibility from Schlosser. Prosecutors presented a methodical case, focusing on possible inconsistencies and behaviors that might indicate she knew that killing her baby was wrong.

After Schlosser spends 30 days in the hospital, the staff there will report on her mental health, and a judge will decide whether to recommit her. If that happens, she would be reevaluated after six months, and then each year after that.

"My own expectation is that she will remain at the hospital for many, many years," Haynes said.

Bob Nicholas, who helped raised Schlosser and was her only relative in court Friday, called the verdict the best possible scenario.

"This whole situation with Dena was a tragedy," Nicholas said. "We've got the loss of Maggie, who never reached her first birthday. We've got two little girls coping with the loss of their sister and of a loving, caring mother."

Schlosser's husband, John Schlosser, has filed for divorce and has custody of the couple's two other daughters.

Schlosser is one of three Texas women to seek the insanity defense in recent high-profile cases after the deaths of their children.

Jurors rejected the insanity defense in 2002 for Andrea Yates, the Houston mother who confessed to killing her five children by drowning them in the family bathtub. She will again use the insanity defense in her June retrial.

In 2004 in East Texas, Deanna Laney was acquitted by reason of insanity after she was accused of stoning to death her 8-year-old and 6-year-old sons.

I can't even begin to imagine. The human brain and what it can do to people is sometimes amusing and yet sometimes horrifically tragic. This definitely falls within the realm of horrifically tragic IMO.

Anyone think that she shouldn't have gotten insanity on this? It would appear pretty evident if there is a confirmed tumor causing the hallucinations and such. However, if this is the case, I wonder why the husband is filing for divorce and took the other two children? I'm not saying this woman is safe to be around them - not by a long shot. However, it seems sad that this woman should be abandoned if insanity is really what it is.

ZZZZapyoaZZZZ
07-04-2006, 19:26
This story is similar to one me and the g/f were watching last night about a the mother that drowned her 5 children while her husband was not home. It is crazy to think about what your capable of doing if your brain decides to go south.

Can you imagine what it must feel like to be the mom?!?! To go "insane" and not have total control/mind set of what you are actually doing! I do not know the excats of what "insanity" does to a person, but its sad that the brain can turn you against your own children!

S Z
07-04-2006, 19:27
Anyone think that she shouldn't have gotten insanity on this? It would appear pretty evident if there is a confirmed tumor causing the hallucinations and such. However, if this is the case, I wonder why the husband is filing for divorce and took the other two children? I'm not saying this woman is safe to be around them - not by a long shot. However, it seems sad that this woman should be abandoned if insanity is really what it is.

I agree, it is awfully sad if this woman is genuinely ill and abandoned because of it. However I have to think of it from the fathers point of view. I would be terribly worried for my children and feel obligated to get as far away from her as possible, both physically and from a financial standpoint. I'd wager that 24hr supervision, as this woman may require if the illness is not treatable, costs a great deal of money, money which he and their children may ill-afford to spend. A divorce is definitely harsh, but totally understandable under the circumstances IMO.

As in all cases of violence caused by mental illness, there is very rarely a good outcome. The instinct to protect your children may not be the most humane under the circumstances, but just may be the wisest.

CoyoteKid
07-04-2006, 19:28
This is very difficult to believe as a Father.

ZZZZapyoaZZZZ
07-04-2006, 19:41
This is very difficult to believe as a Father.

I don't clame to be a professional on this....

But what's to say something does happen to your mind to cause you to act in a way you normally would not?

I couldn't help think this about myself when I watched the special on tv about the mother who drowned her 5 kids.

Yaboosh
07-04-2006, 23:08
This sounds like some of the strange acts of women suffering from extreme post-partem depression. Perfectly normal, loving mothers drowning their newborn baby in a lake for seemingly no reason, and then acting like nothing ever happened.

Dondrei
07-04-2006, 23:20
Horrible. Just horrible.


clame

Sometimes I think you guys are just baiting me.

Ron Burgundy
07-04-2006, 23:22
Us bate Dondrei? Thats unpossible,

buttershug
07-04-2006, 23:24
Us bate Dondrei? Thats unpossible,

Irregardless of that I can understand why it might appear that way.

Keldaris
07-04-2006, 23:25
wow, every time something like this happens I can't help but feel disturbed. us humans really are no better than animals.

Dondrei
07-04-2006, 23:42
wow, every time something like this happens I can't help but feel disturbed. us humans really are no better than animals.

Don't slander animals.

tarnok
08-04-2006, 03:54
I've never been able to get behind the insanity defense. Doesn't an inability to control oneself make one _more_ dangerous and therefore make it _more_ important to keep that person away from other people? I mean, wtf? She killed her baby and she's going to go away for thirty days and come back all better? I can't help but think there's a serious disconnect in someone's brain other than hers. This person needs to not be allowed anywhere near anyone who is unable to defend himself against her ever again.

Stoutwood
08-04-2006, 05:25
Did she kill the baby? I get the impression from that article that they saved the baby. Small favor they did him, he gets to live the rest of his life with no arms.

Echod16
08-04-2006, 05:42
I've never been able to get behind the insanity defense. Doesn't an inability to control oneself make one _more_ dangerous and therefore make it _more_ important to keep that person away from other people? I mean, wtf? She killed her baby and she's going to go away for thirty days and come back all better? I can't help but think there's a serious disconnect in someone's brain other than hers. This person needs to not be allowed anywhere near anyone who is unable to defend himself against her ever again.

they said she has a brain tumor which might have caused this insanity, in which case isn't totally her fault...did she actually kill the baby? the said the child was near death, but never acknowledged it being dead

tarnok
08-04-2006, 06:31
they said she has a brain tumor which might have caused this insanity, in which case isn't totally her fault

Which is in no way a point opposed to mine. The fact that she is crazy makes her less safe to be around than if she had been rational. If she actually had some reason, however twisted, for killing the child then she could be reasoned out of it, or at least prevented from getting into a similar situation in the future. If she's crazy, there's no way of knowing when or if she will do something like this again.

Evrae Altana
08-04-2006, 06:36
Did she kill the baby? I get the impression from that article that they saved the baby. Small favor they did him, he gets to live the rest of his life with no arms.
The baby didn't survive.

"This whole situation with Dena was a tragedy," Nicholas said. "We've got the loss of Maggie, who never reached her first birthday. We've got two little girls coping with the loss of their sister and of a loving, caring mother."

Dondrei
08-04-2006, 15:27
I've never been able to get behind the insanity defense. Doesn't an inability to control oneself make one _more_ dangerous and therefore make it _more_ important to keep that person away from other people? I mean, wtf? She killed her baby and she's going to go away for thirty days and come back all better? I can't help but think there's a serious disconnect in someone's brain other than hers. This person needs to not be allowed anywhere near anyone who is unable to defend himself against her ever again.

Well, I'm no expert on these things but from what I hear an insanity plea just gets you committed to an asylum instead of a prison (at least this is what I was told), where you're arguably better restrained. And you're receiving treatment instead of attending the University of Crime.

But personally I don't believe in reduction of responsibility, so I don't philosophically support the insanity plea.

Road Ratt
08-04-2006, 19:59
I hope she gets the help and treatment that she desperately needs. Maybe if the husband and preacher had been more helpful in getting her help in the first place this tragedy could had been averted. Maybe not but it seems clear that she was turning to someone for help and got none from those two, that's the real tragedy to this story IMO.

ael
08-04-2006, 20:33
Well dumb **** happens every day. We should realy stop posting this stuff. Every day there is a thread about shootings and everything. And sincerly I simply cant care anymore. Yes, its horible. Yes its unforgivable. But Im sick of reading this in every newspaper, watching it in the 6 o`clock news, and now it made his way to otf. :rolleyes: