Ortzg
04-04-2006, 01:44
I know recently someone talk about a 4 bered Gris caddy, but i am the original =P
I repost a guide i made some time ago.
-------------------------------------------
Expensive, be warned. More cheap in useast than europe.
Some months ago i trade mainly of my Europe Items for runes than i cube until get 4 BER. I put in a caduceus, and made some experiments. Really i find a Griswold as a Versatile Item Sets, and try around seven stupid combinations. My old adventures was not a sucess, but not a failure.
Some day go to kill lilith and the killed was I =) My honor need a new pally specific to ubers and some fun too; many failed chars later, i can delete around 9 pallys in 80 lvls , not perfect and now all was wrong for one or other reasons. I suggest strongly NOT use a existent Pally for these builds. Begin at level 1, and u can erase around 8 pallys. I think i erase around 12-17
Now i find myself now with around 8 full griswold sets ( need trade or get two weapons ), go to redoing in a new manner; wanting be nearly immune vs all the baddys i find. This guide is work in progress, but can function at lvl 70 in hell, i am here now.
Pros: Very Versatile, around 8 builds in two chars
Cons: You need the griswold set. I Only seek two ways, and the uber version of one is expensive.
Clarify: With two griswold pallys you can have many of the powerful no cookie cutter variants, without invest the points =)
Premises:
1) Two main ways. Physical Zealot/Smiter and Elemental Nightmare Zealot.
2) No medic. You have the heritage of the Griswold Legacy.
3) I think in the result as two Twins. GriswoldLegacy and GriswoldLegacy-II
Facts about my old experiences:
1) You dont want forgot the block chance. A pally focused in all strength, have problems with the Chance to block.
2) Sol'ed armor, shield and helm help u to survive , and rarely be hurt if u have good defense.
3) Lemmed ALL Griswold Set sounds as a waste. But are around 1000 GF plus and 400 more from dwarf stars and gloves. Can use too goldwrap. ammy and boots.
4) Really your power is Aura Power and Smite Power. You cant use 10 pcombat here, because are better in a hammerdin. By the way, i have at the moment 10 offensive 30-40% Goldfind, but are overkilling. Can go with only gold charms.
5) I find myself using more vigor and salvation than any other aura.
6) Pubbies say "you s***cs" , but is a powerful and viable build.
7) Using Puls for better high defense only pays if u have HIGH defiance and holyshield.
Facts about the Set itself:
1) The Shield is a Vortex, one of the better for smite Damage
2) The caduceus need very few IAS, you dont need use Shaels here.
3) The crown have some range in resistances and MF.
4) You have belts, jewelry boots and gloves free.
5) Have not Poison reduction and sometimes you dont want use purification.
6) The set have not leech.
7) The set need Cannot Be Frozen.
8) No enigma, no teleport. Oh my god =)
9) Smite Have ITD.
Things That works:
1) Max conviction and put gloves and belt of Trang Set. Have Cannot Be Frozen and a Nice Fireball. I call These the FIRE WAY. Remember you cant use Pulse damage auras and conviction at same time.
2) Use Mavina Gloves and Belt. Good extra Damage and time, and extra stength. Using armor with cold BLUE jewels can made some things good.. use Psaphires in the weapon. THIS IS THE COLD WAY. No much sense in max cold sinergyes. ( not difference if use a full sinergyzed frostadin )
3) Max Zeal and strength and think yourself as a pally Titan. Viable all points in Strength build, but remember the note about chance to block. Use Laying Of Hands and credendum, or leech items. This is the PHYSICAL Build.
4) Use the Open Wounds Modifiyer
5) Be a Uber Devils Killer. Dracul, Gore/Goblin, special Belt.
Things That Non Works:
1) You are not a caster. Cant go breakpoints easy, and never be the best.
2) Melee with OK. =)
3) Be a Martyr in Hardcore. Can get too much power, and you can forgot the life ball.
4) Use 15% Ias Jewels. Pump Fanatism Instead and get offensive ammy or offensive Grand Charms
5) Harvest defensive PLAIN skills. I manage to get 10 def skills WITH useful mods, and was good idea.
Phase One: The Supermarket: First Twin Iron Martyr
Pros: Can kill near anything, dont have str tricks.
Cons: Some difficult Untwinked. =)
Some Foes ignore defense. Need Pdr And change between weapons.
Limitations: All points in strength
Assignment: For use the extra skills charmswe can trade, and inherent to Gris sets, i have 1 points at least in everything ( well, not single resistances )
May be u know the variant called Iron Martyr, developed somewhere for hardcore. I try it and was sucessful, but need use life leech items.
Now we have too the goal of uber tristan.
Maybe u know too of a Variant called Titan. Is mainly a Barb focused to ALL points in strength. The weakness is risky in Hardcore. The advantage is more strength more damage, more damage more leech.
We as the IronMartyr can do some place between both. If u are in softcore is more doable.
Aproximated Skills:
Classic Build:
10 holy shield
20 defiance
20 zeal
20 fanatism
10 sacrifice
Myself use better these, no extremes, but more adaptable.
20 holyshield (for duration)
10 defiance ( or use a defiance merc )
20 zeal ( for ar )
20 fanatism (more speed)
5 charger
5 conviction (lower def of enemies and party friendly)
1-20 smite (less if u have crush blow items)
One point wonders.
This allow we for a powerful smite, a zealot with many speed, and with the extras, a level 20 conviction or -100% def aprox
What Griswold needs this guy ?
1) Lemmed. Is a goldfinder. Personally i use in both a 4 Os Caduceus.
2) Sol - leech Weapon 3 socket with amns, all others with Sol runes.
3) Magic Find Use the best % crown. Ptopazed helm armor, and if rich, use Ists shield and 4os caduceus.
Optional For Uber Tristan:
1 3 pdiamond shield ( or um if rich )
1 griswold armor and crown for your weak resistances. Ral ort Thul in armor. Not use TALs here, the resistances to poison dont matter, i explain later.
1 Custom Scepter ( note below )
Well, if u have read until this point, maybe you can think this is a supermarket list. No =)
The great secret here is Open wounds.
If u are not rich, is not too much expensive use 4 ums in scepter. If u are rich, i suggest a um and 3 BER. Reason ?
Well, is more much easy find a um than a ber. If u use 3 ber can use too the gore riders. make a blood belt, and use dracul. Is not difficult get 100% OW. If need more Crush blow, change to the goblin toes.
If u have a enigma already, or infinity, you know really hope use the runes better than that.
Other option is Two bers, um and mal. You need some way to leech here, and normally dracul is mandatory. Dracul have OW, then for no waste runes, use a mal with no heal factor, can be useful. Then using two bers, and Goblin, can get 75% without much problem. Myself think the 1 um 3 Ber is the better, but ber ber um mal is good, too.
You need have something in stash:
1) Dracul are mandatory. If u go ubers, need that. If not, use the soul drainers for the weaken CTC
2) Crafted Blood belt. You need mainly gold, FHR and life.
3) Dual Dwarf stars ( main rings ), useful for gold and PDR
4) Dual Carrion Wings ( for twister, nova and Life leec. Better than BK, IMHO)
5) Boots: Goreriders, goblin, and maybe WT, some rare with gold and MF.
6) Chance Guards and gold belt if no have a crafted.
7) Amulet. Go for Metalgrid or a Blue pally with PDR. I use too angel combo sometimes with conviction. Ideal a Blue Pally with 75% poison length reduction
8) String of Ears for Leech and PDR
And for really combat vs lilith girls ?
Iratha Amulet or Atma Scarab.
What ??
75% poison length reduction. With Massive defense , high PDR (soled set) and carrion winds, you can be upset in a second, without use sockets or use purification.
I suggest use for the Merc an act 2 merc using defiance or Might. Weapon ? Arioc with +3 (or +4) amned, or stonepillar with amn.
For charms, can be defensive or offensive, is your choice.
Phase One: The Supermarket: Second Twin Elemental Nightmare
Pros: Can kill near anything, dont have Immunities problem.
Cons: Some difficult Untwinked. =)
If go all life path, can have problems with strength
Need more space then stash for setup. ( i use a hell mule to that )
Limitations: All points in LIFE (remember block limitations)
skill Assignment: For use the extra skills charms we can trade, and inherent to Gris sets, i have 1 points at least in everything ( INCLUDING single resistances )
The elemental Nightmare is mixture between Barbarian Goldfinder, Tesladin, Medic, Avenger Tank and Smiter.
Yes.. All that.
Classical Tesladin without dreams:
20 holy shock
20 light resistance
20 some second sinergy
20 some second combat
20 some other thing
10 one point wonder
As you know if u maximize res auras, have more high maximum res. If u maximize conviction max output damage and can maximize salvation for uber tristan.
Suggested :
( one point in ALL )
20 holy shock
20 holy lightining resistance
20 Holy Bolt ( Yes i explain Later )
10 in second attach ( charge, smite or blessed hammer, last is my choice )
rest in salvation or holy shield
One of the strange things with these griswold pally, is he looks too balanced. If u can think in the first twin as the BARBARIAN side of the family, you can think in the second as the AMAZON side of the family. A meleezon looks weak, and this twin too.
In the other twin guide to griswold, we see much of the info, i not bother repeating. The amazon Side of the family Need strength as modifier, and enough Dex to block 75% with holy shield.
But, you need some special items, some are strange.
1) Trang belt and gloves.
2) lavagouts ( the chance to CTC enchantment )
3) pally offensive charm with cold damage, goldfind or strength in that order.
4) Mavina Belt and gloves
5) 2 ravenfrost with high ar
6) Eye of etlich unique amulet
7) all the blue and yellow jewels with cold damage you can find
8) gris weapon 4 sockets with Psaphire or Thul runes ( perfect gem is better )
9) 2 low bk or sojs for skills
Explanation:
1) Trang belt and gloves give u Fire ball spell.
2) Lavagouts improve zeal chance to hit.
3) The main goal of the offensive charms is boost your holy thunder aura
4) Mavina Belt and gloves have three important factors:
dexterity and strength bonus.. and cold damage.
5) Ravenfrost increase your ar, and have cold damage.
6) Eye of etlich have cold duration and skills. Lack resistances.
7) You use this jewels to increase the cold length. Search for str, dex, -req, FHR and goldfind mods. Use the -15 req in the heaviest item ( the shield, i think )
8) more cold damage and time. Ultra rich can use a Cham and 3 psaphires.
9) 2 low bk or sojs for skills.
At these moment maybe you think i am crazy, i know.
I suggest you use a fire/cold rogue ( finally can use the 3 ias jewels !!! ) or a holy freeze merc. Act 3 can be good too, but fire rogue is my option.
weapon for the Rogue: Kuko if is cold rogue, or witchwild with shaels. You not need Amns. A elemental bow can be good too ( melody for vigor?)
How can survive this poor rogue ?
Easy. You have Holy Bolt for kill undeads and heal your merc. I discover the usefulness of holy bolt in Griswold killing minions of Uber mephisto with 1 point holy bolt and full normal avenger.
Goal:Then you have a high life paladin around level 44 holy thunder ( extreme case ) and multiple sources of cold damage, healing your merc who made fire/elemental/physycal and magic damage.
20 natural points
9 offensive charms
5 for griswold bonuses ( not remember the number )
2 bk
1 arachnid belt
3 offensive auras ammy with pdr or strength =)
3 torch
1 anhilius
Extreme Cold items sources:
4 saphires or three and 1 cham
1 mavina belt
2 ravenfrost
1 etlich
8 cold jewels ( crown, shield and armor )
10 pally charm offensive with cold
10 cold small charms
---
36 sources PLUS your or your merc aura, plus your high holy thunder, plus griswold bonuses.
Not look bad, no ? More powerful than the cookie cutter dreamadin you find elsewhere.
Notes about MicroMagnament and items.
If u want try the two options, i suggest you Have a hell mule capable char to do it. I have two ( many twins in that family !! ), They are the twin little sisters of Griswold-Strength and Griswold-Life And maybe i write about their own adventures later.
At the moment, I only think in the mule as a walking stash ( ideal if have three keys as i ). But i am trading now for get the weapons i need. I found myself three of them in mausoleum runs with the undead goldfinder.
As we know, in normal stash we have three full outfits, and we can put one in merc, and other item in you alternate weapon.
I strongly suggest have the MF version of shield and weapon in the sister mule. You not need at the same time waste 7 ist. At the same time, sometimes u need some high resistances "weakener" version. Can be useful have in the sister stash a 3os with 3 eth runes for low defenses, and and all ias jewels. Think in that as the lower defense speed set.
Remember :Maybe you dont want Goldfind or Magic Find, then your needs are Lower.
Total needs (with and without duplicates version):
Armors and crowns: 11 - 7
1) Soled, lemmed, resistances, topazed, OPTIONAL (explain later )
2) Soled, lemmed, resistances, topazed, cold jewels
Sister: Ias crown, IAS armor for your rogue merc.
Weapons: 10 - 6 (is the least available) 8 are Enough really.
1) lemmed, amned, ummed/bered, jeweled (explain later)
2) lemmed, amned, pspahire/cham, jeweled (explain later)
Sister: 4 socket IST for when one want be MFer, 3-4 eth ( explain later )
Shields: 10 - (6 -7)
1) soled, lemmed, resistances, OPTIONAL
2) soled, lemmed, resistances, cold jewels
Sister: IAS and IST
In the best of the cases u have enough caduceus. I need use two for extreme cases: Filled with 15% resistances , and one with .... strength jewels =( Mayebe u can try with ED damage Jewels. Myself use ED Jewels ONLY in armor because is the more available set part, or shield, the smallest.
The Ed Jewels are more expensive than the 15 MAX damage. I not suggest really use it, but use jewels focused in your weak points, and AFAIK 15 damage jewels not function with smite.
Accesories And Magnament.
One thing u need accept here. If u do these chars, need a extra mule to carry loot or other items. I have an idea now of how was the original Griswold, and i think he throw his set for OVERPOWERED. The final post of this thread/guide be around the original griswold, a true variant using points of here.
Well, you need some items, as mandatory, and i say in other post the adittional items.
If u have a encantress for help u ( one of the two sisters ) can level easy.
level 1-50
Leveling the TITAN VERSION before level 30 is some difficult. I use liberal use of amntir runeword until 24, ask help in chaos sanctuary, then ancients ( can do alone ) then ball runes until 40 and then play normally with bonesnap amned as weapon with fanatism, and charge as main attack. The lack of life was a problem because the armor, and i not worry in get a merc; i was killed three times killing council nightmare. I put an ancient promise with the amntir and kill without problems. Without mule specific items, can be do with the Strength And Ancient Runewords ( or spirit with good resistances shield ), and liberal use of redemption aura.
The ELEMENTAL version have problems until 24, but in that moment you can kill at good pace. You must have lvl 12 res lightining and can have a lvl 4 holy thunder (dual spirits or promise ancient with buyed scepter), with 1 point zeal. Before 24 u can use the holy fire aura and javelines, and let your merc kill the foes. If u do that, have some points in holy bolt. Really i think the Elemental version can be the easyest, but use all points in life can put you use micromagnament in the final time, but few deaths for the increased life.
With out much problems at finishing act 3 nightmare you can be lvl 50.
In level 50, probably you begin to understand the full habilities of the twins.
You can level mading some travincal runs, or making baal runes. I dont worry about what i use, Griswold is the final choice.
As a paced level you can be lvl 20 in 2 hours and level 65 in 6 - 8 hours.
The TITAN need focus early in zeal and fanatism, and the ELEMENTAL in Holy Thunder and Block.
If u plan be a goldfinder, and mainly a TITAN, take care with the Fire Enchanced Bug. You can be a Goldfinder in other place than travincal. The Life version have not problems, and can do Hell Travincal, but is better good holyshield and salvation aura. Maybe use smite and goblin toe can be done if u spawn with only thunder immunities. In that case, i heal my merc, put him the resistance or magic find body and helm, and w8.
Is not rare you killin too much, too quickly, and want not play the travincal only. In that case for fast travel, i suggest you use Aldur boots ( fire resistance and fast run ) or make the teleport trick.
The teleport trick.
If u are a really lucky guy have a rare teleport ammy with offensive and gold boost. If not, you want have always in you or your sister stash 2-3 teleport blue ammys with charges. When you use it, change amulet. As a goldfinder you have not problem in repair.
Myself find the carrion wind and eye of etllich the best unique jewelry, and use sometimes the crescent moon or metalgrid. The titan with the Mara or Sarracen and amplify damage, can be too much. (do u remember the WWS amplify ?)
What Mercs and how ?
The brute force of the TITAN have benefits with the might or defiant mercs; best weapons be as i say, the stonepillar lance, or the arioch. Hone sundan can be good and in that case i put one amn and two lems.
The rogue Merc can be good if u give she IAS, have at your level, and can put amn in her bow, but really shine when all speed version in a Witchwild.
Other More option used without problems is a BARB merc with mainly sol helm and armors, and a djinn slayer unique sword with amns or lems. I use lems, because more money allow me resurrect if he die. The Djinn give him fire damage, too. If u are good playing, is rare your barb dead often. As a Titan the merc have fanatism. I you want Made Council Use a Voice of Reason or a Lawbringer Phase Blade. Remember the Council are Fire immune, Djinn not works here. Lawbringer have Decrepify, good option .
If u want use your char for rune hunting, i suggest use vigor, aldur boots and an act2 merc or a Barb, if use Rogue, dont bother in resurrect if she die.
I repost a guide i made some time ago.
-------------------------------------------
Expensive, be warned. More cheap in useast than europe.
Some months ago i trade mainly of my Europe Items for runes than i cube until get 4 BER. I put in a caduceus, and made some experiments. Really i find a Griswold as a Versatile Item Sets, and try around seven stupid combinations. My old adventures was not a sucess, but not a failure.
Some day go to kill lilith and the killed was I =) My honor need a new pally specific to ubers and some fun too; many failed chars later, i can delete around 9 pallys in 80 lvls , not perfect and now all was wrong for one or other reasons. I suggest strongly NOT use a existent Pally for these builds. Begin at level 1, and u can erase around 8 pallys. I think i erase around 12-17
Now i find myself now with around 8 full griswold sets ( need trade or get two weapons ), go to redoing in a new manner; wanting be nearly immune vs all the baddys i find. This guide is work in progress, but can function at lvl 70 in hell, i am here now.
Pros: Very Versatile, around 8 builds in two chars
Cons: You need the griswold set. I Only seek two ways, and the uber version of one is expensive.
Clarify: With two griswold pallys you can have many of the powerful no cookie cutter variants, without invest the points =)
Premises:
1) Two main ways. Physical Zealot/Smiter and Elemental Nightmare Zealot.
2) No medic. You have the heritage of the Griswold Legacy.
3) I think in the result as two Twins. GriswoldLegacy and GriswoldLegacy-II
Facts about my old experiences:
1) You dont want forgot the block chance. A pally focused in all strength, have problems with the Chance to block.
2) Sol'ed armor, shield and helm help u to survive , and rarely be hurt if u have good defense.
3) Lemmed ALL Griswold Set sounds as a waste. But are around 1000 GF plus and 400 more from dwarf stars and gloves. Can use too goldwrap. ammy and boots.
4) Really your power is Aura Power and Smite Power. You cant use 10 pcombat here, because are better in a hammerdin. By the way, i have at the moment 10 offensive 30-40% Goldfind, but are overkilling. Can go with only gold charms.
5) I find myself using more vigor and salvation than any other aura.
6) Pubbies say "you s***cs" , but is a powerful and viable build.
7) Using Puls for better high defense only pays if u have HIGH defiance and holyshield.
Facts about the Set itself:
1) The Shield is a Vortex, one of the better for smite Damage
2) The caduceus need very few IAS, you dont need use Shaels here.
3) The crown have some range in resistances and MF.
4) You have belts, jewelry boots and gloves free.
5) Have not Poison reduction and sometimes you dont want use purification.
6) The set have not leech.
7) The set need Cannot Be Frozen.
8) No enigma, no teleport. Oh my god =)
9) Smite Have ITD.
Things That works:
1) Max conviction and put gloves and belt of Trang Set. Have Cannot Be Frozen and a Nice Fireball. I call These the FIRE WAY. Remember you cant use Pulse damage auras and conviction at same time.
2) Use Mavina Gloves and Belt. Good extra Damage and time, and extra stength. Using armor with cold BLUE jewels can made some things good.. use Psaphires in the weapon. THIS IS THE COLD WAY. No much sense in max cold sinergyes. ( not difference if use a full sinergyzed frostadin )
3) Max Zeal and strength and think yourself as a pally Titan. Viable all points in Strength build, but remember the note about chance to block. Use Laying Of Hands and credendum, or leech items. This is the PHYSICAL Build.
4) Use the Open Wounds Modifiyer
5) Be a Uber Devils Killer. Dracul, Gore/Goblin, special Belt.
Things That Non Works:
1) You are not a caster. Cant go breakpoints easy, and never be the best.
2) Melee with OK. =)
3) Be a Martyr in Hardcore. Can get too much power, and you can forgot the life ball.
4) Use 15% Ias Jewels. Pump Fanatism Instead and get offensive ammy or offensive Grand Charms
5) Harvest defensive PLAIN skills. I manage to get 10 def skills WITH useful mods, and was good idea.
Phase One: The Supermarket: First Twin Iron Martyr
Pros: Can kill near anything, dont have str tricks.
Cons: Some difficult Untwinked. =)
Some Foes ignore defense. Need Pdr And change between weapons.
Limitations: All points in strength
Assignment: For use the extra skills charmswe can trade, and inherent to Gris sets, i have 1 points at least in everything ( well, not single resistances )
May be u know the variant called Iron Martyr, developed somewhere for hardcore. I try it and was sucessful, but need use life leech items.
Now we have too the goal of uber tristan.
Maybe u know too of a Variant called Titan. Is mainly a Barb focused to ALL points in strength. The weakness is risky in Hardcore. The advantage is more strength more damage, more damage more leech.
We as the IronMartyr can do some place between both. If u are in softcore is more doable.
Aproximated Skills:
Classic Build:
10 holy shield
20 defiance
20 zeal
20 fanatism
10 sacrifice
Myself use better these, no extremes, but more adaptable.
20 holyshield (for duration)
10 defiance ( or use a defiance merc )
20 zeal ( for ar )
20 fanatism (more speed)
5 charger
5 conviction (lower def of enemies and party friendly)
1-20 smite (less if u have crush blow items)
One point wonders.
This allow we for a powerful smite, a zealot with many speed, and with the extras, a level 20 conviction or -100% def aprox
What Griswold needs this guy ?
1) Lemmed. Is a goldfinder. Personally i use in both a 4 Os Caduceus.
2) Sol - leech Weapon 3 socket with amns, all others with Sol runes.
3) Magic Find Use the best % crown. Ptopazed helm armor, and if rich, use Ists shield and 4os caduceus.
Optional For Uber Tristan:
1 3 pdiamond shield ( or um if rich )
1 griswold armor and crown for your weak resistances. Ral ort Thul in armor. Not use TALs here, the resistances to poison dont matter, i explain later.
1 Custom Scepter ( note below )
Well, if u have read until this point, maybe you can think this is a supermarket list. No =)
The great secret here is Open wounds.
If u are not rich, is not too much expensive use 4 ums in scepter. If u are rich, i suggest a um and 3 BER. Reason ?
Well, is more much easy find a um than a ber. If u use 3 ber can use too the gore riders. make a blood belt, and use dracul. Is not difficult get 100% OW. If need more Crush blow, change to the goblin toes.
If u have a enigma already, or infinity, you know really hope use the runes better than that.
Other option is Two bers, um and mal. You need some way to leech here, and normally dracul is mandatory. Dracul have OW, then for no waste runes, use a mal with no heal factor, can be useful. Then using two bers, and Goblin, can get 75% without much problem. Myself think the 1 um 3 Ber is the better, but ber ber um mal is good, too.
You need have something in stash:
1) Dracul are mandatory. If u go ubers, need that. If not, use the soul drainers for the weaken CTC
2) Crafted Blood belt. You need mainly gold, FHR and life.
3) Dual Dwarf stars ( main rings ), useful for gold and PDR
4) Dual Carrion Wings ( for twister, nova and Life leec. Better than BK, IMHO)
5) Boots: Goreriders, goblin, and maybe WT, some rare with gold and MF.
6) Chance Guards and gold belt if no have a crafted.
7) Amulet. Go for Metalgrid or a Blue pally with PDR. I use too angel combo sometimes with conviction. Ideal a Blue Pally with 75% poison length reduction
8) String of Ears for Leech and PDR
And for really combat vs lilith girls ?
Iratha Amulet or Atma Scarab.
What ??
75% poison length reduction. With Massive defense , high PDR (soled set) and carrion winds, you can be upset in a second, without use sockets or use purification.
I suggest use for the Merc an act 2 merc using defiance or Might. Weapon ? Arioc with +3 (or +4) amned, or stonepillar with amn.
For charms, can be defensive or offensive, is your choice.
Phase One: The Supermarket: Second Twin Elemental Nightmare
Pros: Can kill near anything, dont have Immunities problem.
Cons: Some difficult Untwinked. =)
If go all life path, can have problems with strength
Need more space then stash for setup. ( i use a hell mule to that )
Limitations: All points in LIFE (remember block limitations)
skill Assignment: For use the extra skills charms we can trade, and inherent to Gris sets, i have 1 points at least in everything ( INCLUDING single resistances )
The elemental Nightmare is mixture between Barbarian Goldfinder, Tesladin, Medic, Avenger Tank and Smiter.
Yes.. All that.
Classical Tesladin without dreams:
20 holy shock
20 light resistance
20 some second sinergy
20 some second combat
20 some other thing
10 one point wonder
As you know if u maximize res auras, have more high maximum res. If u maximize conviction max output damage and can maximize salvation for uber tristan.
Suggested :
( one point in ALL )
20 holy shock
20 holy lightining resistance
20 Holy Bolt ( Yes i explain Later )
10 in second attach ( charge, smite or blessed hammer, last is my choice )
rest in salvation or holy shield
One of the strange things with these griswold pally, is he looks too balanced. If u can think in the first twin as the BARBARIAN side of the family, you can think in the second as the AMAZON side of the family. A meleezon looks weak, and this twin too.
In the other twin guide to griswold, we see much of the info, i not bother repeating. The amazon Side of the family Need strength as modifier, and enough Dex to block 75% with holy shield.
But, you need some special items, some are strange.
1) Trang belt and gloves.
2) lavagouts ( the chance to CTC enchantment )
3) pally offensive charm with cold damage, goldfind or strength in that order.
4) Mavina Belt and gloves
5) 2 ravenfrost with high ar
6) Eye of etlich unique amulet
7) all the blue and yellow jewels with cold damage you can find
8) gris weapon 4 sockets with Psaphire or Thul runes ( perfect gem is better )
9) 2 low bk or sojs for skills
Explanation:
1) Trang belt and gloves give u Fire ball spell.
2) Lavagouts improve zeal chance to hit.
3) The main goal of the offensive charms is boost your holy thunder aura
4) Mavina Belt and gloves have three important factors:
dexterity and strength bonus.. and cold damage.
5) Ravenfrost increase your ar, and have cold damage.
6) Eye of etlich have cold duration and skills. Lack resistances.
7) You use this jewels to increase the cold length. Search for str, dex, -req, FHR and goldfind mods. Use the -15 req in the heaviest item ( the shield, i think )
8) more cold damage and time. Ultra rich can use a Cham and 3 psaphires.
9) 2 low bk or sojs for skills.
At these moment maybe you think i am crazy, i know.
I suggest you use a fire/cold rogue ( finally can use the 3 ias jewels !!! ) or a holy freeze merc. Act 3 can be good too, but fire rogue is my option.
weapon for the Rogue: Kuko if is cold rogue, or witchwild with shaels. You not need Amns. A elemental bow can be good too ( melody for vigor?)
How can survive this poor rogue ?
Easy. You have Holy Bolt for kill undeads and heal your merc. I discover the usefulness of holy bolt in Griswold killing minions of Uber mephisto with 1 point holy bolt and full normal avenger.
Goal:Then you have a high life paladin around level 44 holy thunder ( extreme case ) and multiple sources of cold damage, healing your merc who made fire/elemental/physycal and magic damage.
20 natural points
9 offensive charms
5 for griswold bonuses ( not remember the number )
2 bk
1 arachnid belt
3 offensive auras ammy with pdr or strength =)
3 torch
1 anhilius
Extreme Cold items sources:
4 saphires or three and 1 cham
1 mavina belt
2 ravenfrost
1 etlich
8 cold jewels ( crown, shield and armor )
10 pally charm offensive with cold
10 cold small charms
---
36 sources PLUS your or your merc aura, plus your high holy thunder, plus griswold bonuses.
Not look bad, no ? More powerful than the cookie cutter dreamadin you find elsewhere.
Notes about MicroMagnament and items.
If u want try the two options, i suggest you Have a hell mule capable char to do it. I have two ( many twins in that family !! ), They are the twin little sisters of Griswold-Strength and Griswold-Life And maybe i write about their own adventures later.
At the moment, I only think in the mule as a walking stash ( ideal if have three keys as i ). But i am trading now for get the weapons i need. I found myself three of them in mausoleum runs with the undead goldfinder.
As we know, in normal stash we have three full outfits, and we can put one in merc, and other item in you alternate weapon.
I strongly suggest have the MF version of shield and weapon in the sister mule. You not need at the same time waste 7 ist. At the same time, sometimes u need some high resistances "weakener" version. Can be useful have in the sister stash a 3os with 3 eth runes for low defenses, and and all ias jewels. Think in that as the lower defense speed set.
Remember :Maybe you dont want Goldfind or Magic Find, then your needs are Lower.
Total needs (with and without duplicates version):
Armors and crowns: 11 - 7
1) Soled, lemmed, resistances, topazed, OPTIONAL (explain later )
2) Soled, lemmed, resistances, topazed, cold jewels
Sister: Ias crown, IAS armor for your rogue merc.
Weapons: 10 - 6 (is the least available) 8 are Enough really.
1) lemmed, amned, ummed/bered, jeweled (explain later)
2) lemmed, amned, pspahire/cham, jeweled (explain later)
Sister: 4 socket IST for when one want be MFer, 3-4 eth ( explain later )
Shields: 10 - (6 -7)
1) soled, lemmed, resistances, OPTIONAL
2) soled, lemmed, resistances, cold jewels
Sister: IAS and IST
In the best of the cases u have enough caduceus. I need use two for extreme cases: Filled with 15% resistances , and one with .... strength jewels =( Mayebe u can try with ED damage Jewels. Myself use ED Jewels ONLY in armor because is the more available set part, or shield, the smallest.
The Ed Jewels are more expensive than the 15 MAX damage. I not suggest really use it, but use jewels focused in your weak points, and AFAIK 15 damage jewels not function with smite.
Accesories And Magnament.
One thing u need accept here. If u do these chars, need a extra mule to carry loot or other items. I have an idea now of how was the original Griswold, and i think he throw his set for OVERPOWERED. The final post of this thread/guide be around the original griswold, a true variant using points of here.
Well, you need some items, as mandatory, and i say in other post the adittional items.
If u have a encantress for help u ( one of the two sisters ) can level easy.
level 1-50
Leveling the TITAN VERSION before level 30 is some difficult. I use liberal use of amntir runeword until 24, ask help in chaos sanctuary, then ancients ( can do alone ) then ball runes until 40 and then play normally with bonesnap amned as weapon with fanatism, and charge as main attack. The lack of life was a problem because the armor, and i not worry in get a merc; i was killed three times killing council nightmare. I put an ancient promise with the amntir and kill without problems. Without mule specific items, can be do with the Strength And Ancient Runewords ( or spirit with good resistances shield ), and liberal use of redemption aura.
The ELEMENTAL version have problems until 24, but in that moment you can kill at good pace. You must have lvl 12 res lightining and can have a lvl 4 holy thunder (dual spirits or promise ancient with buyed scepter), with 1 point zeal. Before 24 u can use the holy fire aura and javelines, and let your merc kill the foes. If u do that, have some points in holy bolt. Really i think the Elemental version can be the easyest, but use all points in life can put you use micromagnament in the final time, but few deaths for the increased life.
With out much problems at finishing act 3 nightmare you can be lvl 50.
In level 50, probably you begin to understand the full habilities of the twins.
You can level mading some travincal runs, or making baal runes. I dont worry about what i use, Griswold is the final choice.
As a paced level you can be lvl 20 in 2 hours and level 65 in 6 - 8 hours.
The TITAN need focus early in zeal and fanatism, and the ELEMENTAL in Holy Thunder and Block.
If u plan be a goldfinder, and mainly a TITAN, take care with the Fire Enchanced Bug. You can be a Goldfinder in other place than travincal. The Life version have not problems, and can do Hell Travincal, but is better good holyshield and salvation aura. Maybe use smite and goblin toe can be done if u spawn with only thunder immunities. In that case, i heal my merc, put him the resistance or magic find body and helm, and w8.
Is not rare you killin too much, too quickly, and want not play the travincal only. In that case for fast travel, i suggest you use Aldur boots ( fire resistance and fast run ) or make the teleport trick.
The teleport trick.
If u are a really lucky guy have a rare teleport ammy with offensive and gold boost. If not, you want have always in you or your sister stash 2-3 teleport blue ammys with charges. When you use it, change amulet. As a goldfinder you have not problem in repair.
Myself find the carrion wind and eye of etllich the best unique jewelry, and use sometimes the crescent moon or metalgrid. The titan with the Mara or Sarracen and amplify damage, can be too much. (do u remember the WWS amplify ?)
What Mercs and how ?
The brute force of the TITAN have benefits with the might or defiant mercs; best weapons be as i say, the stonepillar lance, or the arioch. Hone sundan can be good and in that case i put one amn and two lems.
The rogue Merc can be good if u give she IAS, have at your level, and can put amn in her bow, but really shine when all speed version in a Witchwild.
Other More option used without problems is a BARB merc with mainly sol helm and armors, and a djinn slayer unique sword with amns or lems. I use lems, because more money allow me resurrect if he die. The Djinn give him fire damage, too. If u are good playing, is rare your barb dead often. As a Titan the merc have fanatism. I you want Made Council Use a Voice of Reason or a Lawbringer Phase Blade. Remember the Council are Fire immune, Djinn not works here. Lawbringer have Decrepify, good option .
If u want use your char for rune hunting, i suggest use vigor, aldur boots and an act2 merc or a Barb, if use Rogue, dont bother in resurrect if she die.