infinirt breaks lightning always??

[bengoin]

does infinity always break lightning resistance? i know the other resistances dont but does lightning always get broken?

[Merick]

Why would it be special? In general I think lightning immunes have lower light resist when compared to the others, but there's still lightning immunes.

[bengoin]

u do know what infinity does dont u? question still not answered

[theredpredator]

The lower resist aura doesnt break all light immunities. For the -xx lightning resistances, they only work for you when you wear it urself. If a merc wears it you dont benefit from the -xx light res.

[innorton38]

u do know what infinity does dont u? question still not answered

He does know what infinity does and if you truly understand it, you would know he did answer your question. Monsters that are immune to a given element have a resistance to that element over 100%. If a monster has a lite resistance of 120%, and you have an infinity that lowers resistance by 50%, the monster's lite resist is now 70%, therefore the immunity is broken. If the monster has a resistance of 160%, their resistance is lowered to 110%, therefore they are still immune.

Merick was saying that lightning is not exempt from this rule, it's just that he thinks the lite immunes have a lower lite resistance (closer to 100% ) than the other immunes have for their particular elements so it seems like lite resists are always broken, which is not really the case.

[lCE]

The only normal monsters with immunity not broken by infinity are :
WSK lvl 3 lightning mages
Act 3 temple bone scarabs

It also cannot break the immunity of bosses who have Magic resistant + lightning enchanted and were already lightning immune to begin with.

[bengoin]

ok yes my mistake, just didnt understand how he put it

[TBrundel]

Monsters that are immune to a given element have a resistance to that element over 100%. If a monster has a lite resistance of 120%, and you have an infinity that lowers resistance by 50%, the monster's lite resist is now 70%, therefore the immunity is broken. If the monster has a resistance of 160%, their resistance is lowered to 110%, therefore they are still immune.

Not completely true IIRC: The conviction aura only works at 1/5 if a monster is immume. Thus if the conviction aura lowers resistance by 50% an immume monsters resistance will only be lowered by 10... Conviction is capped at -150% resistance (it's the same for lower resist)

Another note: If player a has a conviction of lvl 1 and a unique monster has conviction lvl 3 the players conviction will be overruled by the monsters conviction aura...

grz,

TB

[papyrus]

Then why on earth are people so crazy to want to use infinity for their merc. From what I see here the weapon is in par with insight or obedience.

Is there any other practical use that I dont know about the infinity runewords?

[Omikron8]

Infinity conviction gives - 85 res ?

For immunity breaking that is 85/5 = 17

therefore any monster with LESS than 117 light res will be broken by infinity's conviction

since most natural LI (eg. souls/gloams) monsters have less than 117 light res it is safe to assume that they will all be broken

this is in contrast to many cold immune monsters who usually have over 120 cold res, therefore making infinity quite useless for cold sorcs

[innorton38]

Not completely true IIRC: The conviction aura only works at 1/5 if a monster is immume. Thus if the conviction aura lowers resistance by 50% an immume monsters resistance will only be lowered by 10... Conviction is capped at -150% resistance (it's the same for lower resist)

Another note: If player a has a conviction of lvl 1 and a unique monster has conviction lvl 3 the players conviction will be overruled by the monsters conviction aura...

grz,

TB

Well I got the gist correct, nonetheless.

How does a monster's conviction overrule a player's conviction? Aren't they affecting separate groups?

[Armor_Biff]

The weakest one has no effect...

:goofy:

[innorton38]

The weakest one has no effect...

:goofy:

I understand that when it's two players with conviction, but he's saying if you have conviction on and a unique monster also has conviction, teh monster's will negate your's which i don't think is correct...

[thegiantturtle]

TBrundel and Armor_Biff were correct.

If a player is running conviction and a monster is running conviction, the lesser conviction will be ignored by the owner of the higher conviction. Other monsters will still be affected by the player's conviction and other players will still be affected by the monster's conviction. This is just the way it works.

Note 1: It works the same way in PvP
Note 2: unsure what happens if the convictions are equal.

[innorton38]

TBrundel and Armor_Biff were correct.

If a player is running conviction and a monster is running conviction, the lesser conviction will be ignored by the owner of the higher conviction. Other monsters will still be affected by the player's conviction and other players will still be affected by the monster's conviction. This is just the way it works.

Note 1: It works the same way in PvP
Note 2: unsure what happens if the convictions are equal.

Ok that makes more sense... Thanks!

[TBrundel]

Then why on earth are people so crazy to want to use infinity for their merc. From what I see here the weapon is in par with insight or obedience.

Is there any other practical use that I dont know about the infinity runewords?

Lets take a lightning sorc doing 5k average damage...

Monster res:116
After infinity:99
Damge without infinity: 0
Damage:50 damage (lol)

Monster res: 100
After infity: 15
Damge without infinity: 0
Damage:4.25k damage

Monster res: 50
After infinity: -35
Damge without infinity: 2.5k
Damage = 6.75 k

Monster res: 0
After infinity -85
Damge without infinity: 5k
damage: 9.25k

This damage is pretty low... There are sorces doing 35-32k lighting and 21-12k chain lightningdamage...

Just for fun imagine a dreamsorc (doing 60k lightning damage....)

grz,

TB

[Bowsen]

Then why on earth are people so crazy to want to use infinity for their merc. From what I see here the weapon is in par with insight or obedience.

Is there any other practical use that I dont know about the infinity runewords?
Javazons and Light Sorcs get MASSIVE damage boost and for the majority of the time also dont have to worry about getting a second element damage to get about immunes - allowing for single tree light sorcs with maxed synergies.

The MINIMUM it will do is increase your damage by 85% (assuming initial resistance of 0) with its effect greatly increasing as the monsters resistsnce increases.