Bone Necro Good Enough Gear???

[TheBassman]

Helm - Rare Circlet: +2 Necro Skills, 16 Res, 29 Life, No FCR :cry: 'Cham'
Armour - 828 Def Bp Nigma
Shield - 194% Homunculus
Weapon - 37% Hoto
Ring1 - Storm Gyre: 10% FCR, 7 Energy, 10 CR, 10 PR, 10 LR, 17 FR <-- Found Myself :D
Ring2 - Rare FCR Ring: 10% FCR, 11 All Res, 15% Mf, Minors Mods
Amulet - Still Searching
Belt - Arachnid's mesh
Boots - Waterwalks
Gloves - Magefists

I know i need 125 fcr, but i cant hit it without sacrificing lots of runes or sojs for a better circ and crazy ammy and i' max vita and dotn wanna put any in str.

[Evrae Altana]

Amulet: Maras
You might want to consider dumping the points into strength and use a Spirit. FCR+loads of mana.

[garion]

boner? well i guess a +3 pnb with 10-20fcr would be nice...or +2 nec with 10-20fcr....

but a plain +3 pnb would help too...for the mean time..and would cost pgems at most...=P

[TheBassman]

I got my Mara's :) Thx for the advice.

@Evrae, I rather have the life then soem mana and cast rate, plus I just got myself a 2/20/2 necro circlet, and I UmUm'd it. So I hit 120 FCR, I might get Darkforce 3/3/3/30, and sell the Circlet But I'm unsure as of yet, cause I also have a Cham'd +2 Necro, Res, Life, Mana, PLR Circlet. & I also just got an 18/15 Torch.

[mooney]

well u've got access to far far far more riches than i do
but if your boner is just for PvM i don't think it's worth stressing too much about the 125%FCR breakpoint. 75% is more than enuff
PvP on the other hand......

[Evrae Altana]

@Evrae, I rather have the life then soem mana and cast rate, plus I just got myself a 2/20/2 necro circlet, and I UmUm'd it. So I hit 120 FCR, I might get Darkforce 3/3/3/30, and sell the Circlet But I'm unsure as of yet, cause I also have a Cham'd +2 Necro, Res, Life, Mana, PLR Circlet. & I also just got an 18/15 Torch.If you decide to use both the 2/20/2 necro circlet and the Darkforce, you can switch the FCR rings out for SoJs if you want and still have 130 FCR.

[Boomba]

finding someone who will trade stuff for pgems is so hard. i cant find anyone who wants p gems

[Evrae Altana]

finding someone who will trade stuff for pgems is so hard. i cant find anyone who wants p gemsStop trying to trade your PGems on B.Net. Half of them don't even have a clue as to what to do with them anyways.
Try your luck in the trade forums. I can almost guarantee you you'll have some buyers.

[TheBassman]

Thx for the help but I'm going to use Dforce and FCR rings, I'm to lazy to buy the sojs, and sold the 2/20/2 to ym friend for a bunch of plain pnbs

[natural disastr]

few suggestions:
1. no max block? ditch the homunc/darkforce for spirit (I know its a bit of strength but 25-35%fcr, 2 skills, 55 fhr, and mana is nice (the only advantage homunc has is block and darkforce has "possibly" +1 pnb skill while spirit has 55%fhr and "possibly" 5% fcr))

2. you have -->0<-- fhr. go for the 56% breakpoint (55% spirit shield + 1 5fhr sc is an option) Personally, I went max block so i use 2/20/20 circ, treks, and charms (1x 12fhr pnb gc and 1x 5fhr sc with 6 in the stash for trapsins for 86% breakpoint)(all fhr charms modded with def or res)

3. with spirit, you reach 125-135 fcr. With darkforce, you reach 125 flat. If you roll a 35%, you have 10 extra fcr. solution? ditch a fcr ring for an soj. This evens out the difference between darkforce and spirit making spirit the better option again.

4. maras is nice but I prefer this or a similar setup: +3 pnb 10%fcr. This gives +1 pnb and -2 summoning (curses aren't a biggy for bone cause u only really use decrep) along with -5 attributes and -20-30 all res. Now if you compare the extra 10% fcr, you can equip yet another soj putting the difference at +2 pnb and -1 summoning -5 attributes -20-30 all res. in a similar (but better) setup, you can get a +2 nec, 10%fcr, all res, life, strength (less strength needed for spirit=more life), mana amulet (rare) the total difference will then be +1 all nec, life, strength, mana, -5 all attributes, -0-10 all res. (Note: the only place this setup bombs is when u lose +2 skills for bo (cta) from maras))

5. Personally, chams are "practically" useless in PvP AND PvM. Reason? You'll be teleporting so cold doesn't matter for running and you will never attack (note: cold does NOT slow down fcr). my suggestion is desocket it for an um or if you really want to, stick in a shael and use it for 86%fhr breakpoint.

6. You lack resistances. altogether you have 53+torch (15?) try to get a nice res anni (go for 15+). 3x anya quests add up to +30 but you lose the bonus after you die. (all items with * are ones that you don't have that are recommended by me) a *15 anni, 15 torch and 53 of what you have adds up to 123 with anya quests. (23 in hell mode) a *20 all res rare ammy or as noted below, a 20-30 (we'll say 25) maras adds up to a nice fat 143-148 all res. *spirit gives 35 to all except fire or (read note below) darkforce spawn with *um gives 22 to all giving you: spirit: 178-183 cold/lightning/poison and 143-148 fire w/ 148-153 cold/lightning/poison and 113-118 fire when you die. darkforce: 165-170 res all w/ 135-140 res all when you die. all these figures put you in nice positives in hell mode (in a range between 13-75+ all res) (btw this is another reason spirit is better) Note: when using spirit, you might want to use some fire res scs. 5fhr 10fr are great for breakpoints.

BIG NOTE If you use a 2/20/? circ or something similar with 20"fcr, ignore the soj additions with the ammy and change the soj requirement to spirit to 25%fcr. also note that in this case, maras and a darkforce spawn would be much more superior except for the fhr loss in which you could compensate with a 2(or 3)/20/40 (2os w/ shael shael) circlet and treks/charms.

hope this helped:grin:
-:azn:NaT:azn:.

P.S. in advance, srry if this was too long.

[LordRigorMortis]

I don't understand... Am I missing something... where is your white?
make a white with decent staff skills and youll get the +3 pnb and extra bone armor(3) BoneSpear(2) plus skele mty if u use it anyway(4) Then tack on any staff skills and you can have pure ownage skills at lvl 35
Dol and Io

Seriously

[natural disastr]

I don't understand... Am I missing something... where is your white?
make a white with decent staff skills and youll get the +3 pnb and extra bone armor(3) BoneSpear(2) plus skele mty if u use it anyway(4) Then tack on any staff skills and you can have pure ownage skills at lvl 35
Dol and Io

Seriously

1 word (or rather 4) Heart of the Oak (HotO)

3 To All Skills
+40% Faster Cast Rate
+75% Damage To Demons
+100 To Attack Rating Against Demons
Adds 3-14 Cold Damage, 3 sec. Duration (Normal)
7% Mana Stolen Per Hit
+10 To Dexterity
Replenish Life +20
Increase Maximum Mana 15%
All Resistances +30-40 (varies)
Level 4 Oak Sage (25 Charges)
Level 14 Raven (60 Charges)
+50% Damage To Undead

now you may still think white is better but cmon +3 all skills, 40 all res (potentially), and (the big difference) 40%fcr. This is usually the difference between two breakpoints, the 125 and the 75. There is a big difference between the two and in dueling, that difference is life and death. In PvM, that difference is a lot of killing speed.

[LordRigorMortis]

1 word (or rather 4) Heart of the Oak (HotO)

3 To All Skills
+40% Faster Cast Rate
+75% Damage To Demons
+100 To Attack Rating Against Demons
Adds 3-14 Cold Damage, 3 sec. Duration (Normal)
7% Mana Stolen Per Hit
+10 To Dexterity
Replenish Life +20
Increase Maximum Mana 15%
All Resistances +30-40 (varies)
Level 4 Oak Sage (25 Charges)
Level 14 Raven (60 Charges)
+50% Damage To Undead

now you may still think white is better but cmon +3 all skills, 40 all res (potentially), and (the big difference) 40%fcr. This is usually the difference between two breakpoints, the 125 and the 75. There is a big difference between the two and in dueling, that difference is life and death. In PvM, that difference is a lot of killing speed.

Sorry for the delay, I posted a reply a couple days ago but i geuss it didn't work. Basically you're just silly... My white adds 20% cast rate, but thats the least of my concerns... When a rune word is made with an item adding to staff skills they stay after the word is made. In short, I don't just get the 3 pnb but also 5 to bone spear (seperate from The 3 Pnb) and 4 to bone armor, since the wand already had 3 to bone spear and one to bone armor.
Besides that I am already a machine gun as far as cast rate and so the twenty is enough.
This really makes me wish I played online so we could see how they stack up, but for now I guess you decide for yourself.

[natural disastr]

it's all a matter of preference. sure, you can always use spirit to make up for lost cast rate but the 40 all res is the kicker. also, you say you fire like a machine gun with your faster cast. two question: what is your gear setup? and do you reach 125%fcr (essential for dueling (which you probably don't do but it is pretty much what bone necs are about))?

[Antian]

Quick interruption; does psn nova stack damage if you spam it?

[riath]

This really makes me wish I played online so we could see how they stack up, but for now I guess you decide for yourself.

From this, I'd guess you don't duel regularly. With White, it is impossible to reach 125% fcr with a blocking shield, which is key for being successful. Between this and the fact that it provides zero resists, it requires a very specific build to be even useful. I can imagine far more set-ups where I want Wizardspike than where I want White.

[Evrae Altana]

Quick interruption; does psn nova stack damage if you spam it?The damage doesn't stack. Hitting an enemy with a second nova before the first one runs out will only reset the duration.

[LordRigorMortis]

I'm not sure what youll think of my gear, it's safe to say its unorthodox.

I use:
the white, with staff added 3 to bone spear, and 2 to bone armour

Engima

+1 necro skills rare ammy

(by the way tell me if this has occured to any of you)
I have a +2 necro skills Visceratuant.

Lastly, a Harlequin Crest Shako

You may not beleive me about the Cast rate but Does strength increase that? Because I have newbd out on strength as a child and have quite a bit now. We'll not disclose how much.

I So far have had no problems with my clay golem / decrep and I never get hit so I don't care about any of that aspect.
Feed back...?

[natural disastr]

not enough cast rate-you need 125 or at least 75

strength does not increase cast rate

[LordRigorMortis]

not enough cast rate-you need 125 or at least 75

strength does not increase cast rate
i may sound a little noobish but why?
i can cast as fast as I personally want, and I don't die often at all... I should have included my rings I suppose they add 20 a piece, but still...
I can pump 6 or 7 bone spears through anything and it dies. They are slow, so I can take my time. Remember again that I don't PK whatsoever.

[Uncle_Mike]

i may sound a little noobish but why?
i can cast as fast as I personally want, and I don't die often at all... I should have included my rings I suppose they add 20 a piece, but still...
I can pump 6 or 7 bone spears through anything and it dies. They are slow, so I can take my time. Remember again that I don't PK whatsoever.

AFAIK there are no 20fcr rings - legit ones at least. In pvp faster cast rate is essential. you need to tele fast spamming spells in between. 75 is the absolute minimum I would say...PvM is another storry, and you can get away with a lot really. You said you have enigma and don't play online...well, I guess there are 2-3 legit enigmas in the SPF give or take. You must have had insane luck to find the runes required...Also remember that there are fcr breakpoints. There is no difference between 75 and 80 fcr. Strenght does nothing to the speed of your cast.

Mike

[TheBassman]

Ok, I can't afford a spirit, reason being im NL and I used all ym runes/sojs to buy myself my pnb gcs. I've decided to keep the fcr rings because they give me so much more then sojs do (RES/Life, Energy, FCR...) My Setup has changed thanks to all of your guys' advice. This is for PvM aswell, [That's what i've decided, For Rushing & Leveling]

Setup:
Rare Nec Circ 'Shael' (16 RA, 20% FHR) +2
BP Enigma +2
Sanctuary Kite Shield (65 RA, 20% FHR)
Hoto Flail (37 RA) +3
2 x FCR Rings w/ RES (22 RA)
Arachnid's Mesh +1
Bloodfists (30% FHR)
Waterwalks
Mara's Kaleidoscope (21 RA) +2

5 PnB 'Plain' GCS +5
18/15 NTorch (15 RA) +3

+18 PnB Skills
70% FHR
176 Res All ~ Hell = 76
80% FCR

Base Strength
Base Dex
Base Energy
ALL Vita

That's My Final Build At 99, Skill Distribution is Standard.

Problems/Comments lemme know. I've even tried him in a few Pubby Pks & Did Very well IMHO.

Thx for your input guys. if any changes need to be made lemme know

[Thrandir]

In pvp faster cast rate is essential. you need to tele fast spamming spells in between. 75 is the absolute minimum I would say...

75, yes. The next break point is at 125, right?

[Evrae Altana]

Yes, the next breakpoint is 125.

[LordRigorMortis]

AFAIK there are no 20fcr rings - legit ones at least. In pvp faster cast rate is essential. you need to tele fast spamming spells in between. 75 is the absolute minimum I would say...PvM is another storry, and you can get away with a lot really. You said you have enigma and don't play online...well, I guess there are 2-3 legit enigmas in the SPF give or take. You must have had insane luck to find the runes required...Also remember that there are fcr breakpoints. There is no difference between 75 and 80 fcr. Strenght does nothing to the speed of your cast.

Mike

I appreciate your knowledge of the game and I must say that I messed up on the rings. I only get ten a peice. As for the engima I have ATMA muling program so I just import the runes I need. Is it cheating? Maybe I say, but I guess Im willing to live with that or else I ll get bored again and stop playing...