Singer PvP barb question

[JohnsOlaid]

If i was to use 2x Hotos instead of a storm sheild would this affect the build much or would it be better?:shocked:

Thanks in advance :thumbsup:

[compubuy]

I'm pretty sure a pvp singer really will never be that good of a dueler. He might suprise a few people, but because warcry can be blocked and doesn't do very much damage, it's really not the best pvp skill out there.

True, it can stun people, but most duelers have enough FHR to pretty much nullify or greatly weaken the stun.

I made a magic finding/horking singer once, I was never rich enough to fully develop him, but they are a lot of fun to play, and are still probably one of my top 5 favorite builds.

I would just put everything into vitality and use two hotos, because you'll mainly only have a chance against weak casters. Even weak meleer's will probably eat you alive so forget about a shield and don't even duel them.

[NewForumBloke]

Apparently youve never seen a true singer in action, they kill, lots :laugh: ! From wut ive seen your going need the 200 fcr bp to survive and kill well in duels so this is going to basically have to be your set up:

Dual Wizzy's
+Skill 20fcr helm
+Skill 20fcr Ammy
Enigma (low str armor like mage)
Magefists
2 Fcr rings
Arach
Boots i think are walks, but can be silks,treks,rares

The Helm/Ammy/Rings you'll want to find some juicy stats,etc on but the things i listed are what is necessary to hit the 200 fcr bp. Charms mainly consist of War Cry Skiller w/ Life/Fhr mods and 20 lifers with fhr/resists as well as a decent torch and anni. If i put up somethin off someone who's made a singer please correct me. Also, if you havent already, check out the singer guides, theyre there for you! lol Good luck

-BLoke :smug:

[emar]

From experience dueling with my singer, you will need at least a stashed SS for certain situations.

Singers are fantastic versus sorcs, bowazons and some necros. You can usually take them on without the shield option. For high powered bowazons you may require the block/DR. I wouldn't invest in Dexterity for max block, I have ~50% with base dexterity.

For all melee classes you will require SS if you find yourself being hit and taking loads of damage. You'll be eaten by most smiters without a shield (and sometimes even with one)

I use dual hotos, and obviously don't hit the 200 FCR (1 Frame lower). It is effective nonetheless and allows for greater gear options.

[MafuMan]

You'r singer WILL suck if you dont hit the 200% FCR BP in duels. Anyone who tells you different is either a newb at d2 or a newb at singers.

Singers do not use shields. Their is no occasion you should use a shield, ever. You will NOT beat any halfway decent WW barb. (BvB / BvC, dosen't matter.) So its pointless. Anyone who tells you how they managed to beat a GG WW barb (And is a singer) is either lying or had a belt full of full juvs. (Or had someone casting amp on the barb.)

The above setup is basically correct. However, I suggest keeping the following stash gear.

x3 Ber / 20% FCR helm. (Jewlers of the mangus) for wind druids / melle pallies.

Hotspur (Fire sorc, duh)

x3 30% Cold res / 20% FCR helm. (Jewelers of the manugs) for cold sorc.

A additional set of duel wizzies with a 30% cold res jewel in each. For cold sorc.

TWO x3 um / x1 sheal / x1 15% IAS + AR mod jewel / x1 NEF 6 SOCKET BERZERKER AXES. (This will be what you use to kill pallies with. One point into WW then WW away. Let OW kill them while KB stops them from hitting you. You will have little to no AR, so you will rely heavily on the minimum 5% chance to hit. You will hit far more then you expect.)

It seems like nobody knows how to play singers anymore. It's really sad, since the only thing that can destroy a singer is a WW barb, yet so many newbs think their at the bottom of the PvP chain.

[JohnsOlaid]

I dont think im going to be able to reach the 200 fcr BP :cry:

But atm im have BIG mana problems
Setup: (hes lvl 75)
Eni Bp or Mp cant remember lol 55 stre anyways
2xHotos
5 Bo helm
Soj
10 fcr ring
Mage fists (**** i forget these will they make a diff?)

[emar]

Mana is probably always going to be a problem for you. Throw in some 17 mana/stat sc's and that should help the situation just a bit. A few of those can make a difference of a few hundred mana with a nice BO.

Contrary to what others have said, I DON'T think that 200 fcr is necessarily the way to go. I have tried both 200 and 105 but from my experience you are taking quite a few sacrifices to hit 200 and it probably will actually hinder you dueling abilities more than it will actually help them. A shield, beleive it or not, is a must IMO. No matter how fast you tele or cast, a shield like SS gives you the extra DR you'll need to take extra hits while also giving you a nice amount of blocking... as far as I can see, there is no downside to having a shield. You can still hit the 105 BP with a shield and it will serve it's purpose against those bowazons. WW barbs... are always going to be a challenge. In a pub dueling game, dueling a WW barb isn't really worth your time. With max DR and block and 7k+ hp, they won't really be killing you that quickly and you certainly won't be killing them.

I have a great deal of experience with singers... I actually have a lvl 99 singer from back in the day(0.9) currently have a 96 one on ladder. Everyone has their own personal preferences as far as gear and strategies are concerned. I suggest using whatever works best for you. I just figured I had to point out that the viability singer barb exists below the 200 FCR mark and that there is no need for such overkill in most (if not all) situations.

[MafuMan]

Mana is probably always going to be a problem for you. Throw in some 17 mana/stat sc's and that should help the situation just a bit. A few of those can make a difference of a few hundred mana with a nice BO.

Contrary to what others have said, I DON'T think that 200 fcr is necessarily the way to go. I have tried both 200 and 105 but from my experience you are taking quite a few sacrifices to hit 200 and it probably will actually hinder you dueling abilities more than it will actually help them. A shield, beleive it or not, is a must IMO. No matter how fast you tele or cast, a shield like SS gives you the extra DR you'll need to take extra hits while also giving you a nice amount of blocking... as far as I can see, there is no downside to having a shield. You can still hit the 105 BP with a shield and it will serve it's purpose against those bowazons. WW barbs... are always going to be a challenge. In a pub dueling game, dueling a WW barb isn't really worth your time. With max DR and block and 7k+ hp, they won't really be killing you that quickly and you certainly won't be killing them.

I have a great deal of experience with singers... I actually have a lvl 99 singer from back in the day(0.9) currently have a 96 one on ladder. Everyone has their own personal preferences as far as gear and strategies are concerned. I suggest using whatever works best for you. I just figured I had to point out that the viability singer barb exists below the 200 FCR mark and that there is no need for such overkill in most (if not all) situations.

Post your setup? Im really curious about your stats with a hoto / SS.

Mine.

Duel 15 Wizzies
Enigma
+2 / 20% FCR / 30% FRW / +39 life / +75mana on char level / 1 open soc helm
20% / +100 mana FCR ammy. Minor mods.
Aracnid
10% FCR / +15 dex / +75 mana / +20ish light res ring
10% FCR / +88 mana / +20ish cold res ring
Magefist
Treks / Spurs
x5 FHR WC Gc's
x2 Dex WC Gc's (Need a second FCR / mana / dex / cold res ring. Forever to find)
Anni / Torch
Rest is mana / life / FHR charms.

Stats.
6680 life / 2015 mana
Max res stacked roughly 100 deep (These are without specific res / stack gear on)
200% FCR 1.4k WC
86% FHR BP (Basically all through charms, watcha gonna do)
+1 into WW (To kill smiters / melle pallies.)

I would have put into lifers. But even if you had 9 45 WC lifers you end up with +405 life. With the maximum BO of 200% increase (Take of give a few %) you end up with a additional 1215 life. Wow, 1215 life ontop of 6680. It also would remove virtually all FHR.

[JohnsOlaid]

I really having problems with mana now, its only around 4xx and i kno this is crap compared to others ppl 1xxx mana

Setup atm:
2xHotos
Eni
3 bo Amu 2 ll ^^
5 Bo helm (3 Warcrys, 2 Bo)
Magefists
10 FCR ring 2x life about 10 mana and som other minor mods
SoJ
Arach
Treks
Anni/toch
9x WC skillers

Im probably going to get a new Helm and Ammy and going to get some mana scs

But if the above doesnt work i guess i might give up on him :(

[MafuMan]

Hotos SUCK for WC barbs that dont plan on chugging mana pots / juvs / insight merc.

Honestly, get wizzies. You lose 6 skills (Like 300 damage) but gain a ****load of mana / FCR / res. Easily worth it.

[emar]

Post your setup? Im really curious about your stats with a hoto / SS.


I'm at work currently so this is going to be concise

7.8K Hp/ 1.7K Mana
49-51% Block (I don't remember exact %)

Ammy: +1, 15FCR, dex, minor mods
Ring 1: 10FCR, +15 Dex, +11ares, mana, minor mod
Ring 2: SoJ
Belt: Arach
Gloves: Magefist
Weapon: HoTo
Shield: SS
Helm: Shael'd Arreats
Boots: Waterwalks or Treks

3x FHR GCs
Rest are Lifer's
Small charms are normally a mixture of life/mana, FHR, res (depending on needs)

15+10+20+20+40 = 105 FCR

The gear varies based on different situations, but this is the SS switch. Since I'm at work, I'll check for any discrepancies when I get home. This is obviously not the gear you wear versus sorc's. But it provides decent block, some DR, and still max res versus melee.

[recomblobulated]

go find mike and fight "tenor" or "growls". the true powah of the singar will appear cause you to turn into salt.

[Blocss]

Is it possible to have a godly pvp singer?
I had one before and he great against sorcs and noob necros, asn's and virtually only casters or noobs.
I found that I NEEDED to reach the 200 fcr bp. I simply was not fast enough and even with over 2k dmg I wasn't pulling through in higher qualified matches.
The dual wizzy set up seems the way to go, possibly with a SS, rare dagger ( i saw a 4wc, fcr with killer mods once.. or was i dreaming?)
I love the singers. Original and rare they're the best species to pwn people in duels and make them envy you. I'd like some input although there seems to be quite the controversy.
Thanks.
P.s. What's a good forum without a debate.

[swiftrunner]

listen to blobs/recomblobulated. He also wrote a guide on singer (don't know if it was stickied or not).