Lil bit of a necro prob

[GraveDeath]

Hey all.....

First of a quick hello as i've just joined the forum today. How you're all well.

Ok my prob is I've taken my necro up to level 42 without using any stats or skills cos I just have no idea where to put them.

I want to build a strong summoner necro (possibly use a few curses) that can handle the ubers.

Does anyone have any advice on where to put skill and stats or know of any good strategy guides that may help?

Thanks :cool:

[Need a name]

Go to the sticky at the top of the Necro forum, The Mouldy Tome and you should be able to find a very good summoner build that would suite your type of play.

[garion]

only skills you need are:

max raise skele...
max skele mastery

1 pt into:

revives
mages
summon resists
clay golem
golem mastery
amp dmg
decrep
corpse explode

the rest is up to you to fine tune/emphasize...the beuaty of a general summoner...

[GraveDeath]

only skills you need are:

max raise skele...
max skele mastery

1 pt into:

revives
mages
summon resists
clay golem
golem mastery
amp dmg
decrep
corpse explode

the rest is up to you to fine tune/emphasize...the beuaty of a general summoner...

I take it that this selection of skills has been successful for you. I do have one question though and that is I thought a majority of people on here maxed out mages as well?

[garion]

well i think it depends on what you want to do...i think once you have these skills setup...you'll have a better idea of what better suits your style of play...

but i think most summoners prefer to max CE

[GraveDeath]

Well i just want something that'll be able to last in Hell against Baal and Also do well against the Ubers.

Dunno why I thought summoning necro . Think most people would reccomend a Hammerdin or something.

[FrostBurn]

I have not come across any summoner necro who can take on the Ubers. I do not think that the skeletons stand a chance to tackle them.

Ubers have so many hitpoints that you need some good CB to take 'em down fast. A summoner can't do that. That's probably when a smiter/zealot and kicker assassin can tackle the ubers.

However, a summoner is arguably the best in handling PvM and good at tackling bosses. As stated, most people max out SM, RS and CE. I would recommend maxing out Magi as well, but as someone said, it depends on your playstyle. If you hate Magi, then there is no point. They do not add significantly to your damage output, but they are extra meat shields, and I would argue that there is no better place to place your points.

Of course, you could max out a Bone Armour synergy, and max Magi, and settle with a smaller CE radius. This on condition that you have enough +skills gear to give your CE a decent radius before any remaining points are placed into it.

[GraveDeath]

I have not come across any summoner necro who can take on the Ubers. I do not think that the skeletons stand a chance to tackle them.

Ubers have so many hitpoints that you need some good CB to take 'em down fast. A summoner can't do that. That's probably when a smiter/zealot and kicker assassin can tackle the ubers.

However, a summoner is arguably the best in handling PvM and good at tackling bosses. As stated, most people max out SM, RS and CE. I would recommend maxing out Magi as well, but as someone said, it depends on your playstyle. If you hate Magi, then there is no point. They do not add significantly to your damage output, but they are extra meat shields, and I would argue that there is no better place to place your points.

Of course, you could max out a Bone Armour synergy, and max Magi, and settle with a smaller CE radius. This on condition that you have enough +skills gear to give your CE a decent radius before any remaining points are placed into it.

Hmmm Point taken. Then perhaps I should turn this char into a MF char.

I have been reading through the forums about the mages and to be perfectly honest I'm torn between opinions. Some people like them. Some people dont. I just dont want to be wasting Skill points on something thats not gonna be of any use to me.

Hmmmmm decisions decisions.:undecided:

[garion]

i disagree i have soloed the mini ubers many times enough to get several organ sets....losing maybe 2-3 skeles at most (3-6 against lilith)

the hardest seems to be lilith because of the tight spacing...its a bit harder to surround her (like duriel/izzy)...

not certain i can take the Ubers in Trist...but i guess thats whatn my zmiter is for...

in any case the skills i posted in post # 3 is enough to solo hell

with better gear you can solo easily and quickly in single player game...its slows down greatly in 8 player games...but single player...you should be able to move rather quickly...furthermore i have died very few time...probably less than 10? and im at lvl 90.....however my hammerdin/cold sorc...have died numerous times...miss teled into a pack=dead, lagged in a bad spot=dead...the summoner can survive all this...can clear any area (can't say the same for my pure blizz sorc....she has lots of problems with PI/cold immunes (since she can't kill and nor can the merc...)...the Hammerdin is a bit better..however the Hammerdin can't solo ubers either...one of them is immune to hammers....

however my summoner/tele is a great Key runner/chaos(+diablo)/WSK (+baal)/andy/frigid...etc....awesome for Mfiing...i can wear Goldwrap/mf ammy/chancies/war travs and still breeze pretty well....(probably can do splendor+ali baba too on switch)

[FrostBurn]

Hmmm Point taken. Then perhaps I should turn this char into a MF char.

I have been reading through the forums about the mages and to be perfectly honest I'm torn between opinions. Some people like them. Some people dont. I just dont want to be wasting Skill points on something thats not gonna be of any use to me.

Hmmmmm decisions decisions.:undecided:

MFing is extremely easy for a summoner. Check out NightFish's guide on the Fishymancer. All you will ever need to build an excellent MF necro. To paraphrase NightFish, a summoner can complete Hell naked. So, it will be easy to cover that nudity with as much MF gear as you like.

[Penndragon]

That's the thing about a Summoner ... it can basically do anything.

And when I say anything, I most certainly mean ubers as well. Basically, any time you see a boss just gumby + decrep it and wait ... it will die eventually. Make sure your Merc has big CB (80%+) in order to pick up the pace. You absolutely MUST HAVE teleport to do ubers though, as without it focusing the attacks of your minions is simply too difficult in this situation.

This being said, I do however use a Zmiter for ubers regardless, simply for ease and quickness sake.

*Edit*
Read Nightfish's guide right now, before you do anything else ...

Go!

[AnimeCraze]

I would say summoner is the second most overpowered build in the game, after a hammerdin (with 1 point smite; this is how you solo ubers with a hammerdin :tongue: , slap on grief, gores, and dracs and you are more than ready to go......).

[High Priest]

I want to build a strong summoner necro :


summon tree

20rs
20sm
20smage
1 in rest

P&B tree
1teeth
20ce
1ba
left over points in bp

curses
1 in all

get lvl 50 + plus skellies and kill everything

o ya can you say AURA's use them they help, and a merc with at least 50%CB

hope it helps

[GraveDeath]

o ya can you say AURA's

Nope .....I'm a mute :azn: .

I've actually based my char on Nightfish's guide (Very useful indeed i might add) Just going through the equipment now.

I'm still a little unsure on what to put on a merc though (Bare in mind Im a non ladder char so i aint got the fancy runewords.....which BITES!)

[High Priest]

I'm still a little unsure on what to put on a merc

act 2 might merc with:
Bramble = defense

there's 2 aura's

then gaze for helm and a weapon with CB on it

[Boomba]

how do mf necs compare to mf sorcs???

[High Priest]

how do mf necs compare to mf sorcs???

A fishy to me is the best all round character in the game. You can do anything PvM with full mf gear, while you can do the ubers with all mf gear but you can still do them and keep wore mf gear then most. You can also PvP with them which is crazy, there nothing like taking out lvl 90 ppl's with your lvl 80 fishy. Add to that, that a fishy is the hardest character to PvP with and it makes it all that better. The only thing bad about a fishy is to be a super killer you do need some okay gear, even though you can complete the game naked and I have done a baal run with no gear :shocked: because I thought I couldn't do it and so did my friend. A fishy is a lot better with good gear and lvl 45 and up skellies. To do the ubers you will need top gear or you will die. I tried them with only lvl 38 skellies and :smiley: it didn't work out while.

[Boomba]

what about for doing meph runs? how is a mf nec supposed to keep up with a mf sorc? I mean usually for quick meph rusn sorc goes down uses moat then blizzards meteors or what ever. How would a nec beable to do this in a quick and timely fashion to make them actually viable to do meph runs or other boss runs? especially since they require corpses for skeles and to maximize your army.

[High Priest]

what about for doing meph runs? how is a mf nec supposed to keep up with a mf sorc? I mean usually for quick meph rusn sorc goes down uses moat then blizzards meteors or what ever. How would a nec beable to do this in a quick and timely fashion to make them actually viable to do meph runs or other boss runs?


For him a sorc is faster but not as safe as a necro, but other place that are better like NM andy, Big D, pits, WSK, Baal nothing tops him O and my new best place HELL cows you can kill the whole lvl in like 2 mins with herding/amp/CE don't even have to summon any thing just use decrep tell merc/clay kill 1 or 2 then amp and watch them fall.

Plus the best thing about a fishies is pissing off everyone when you summon like 40+ guys. Thats the best!!!!!!!!!!:jig:


:thumbsup:

[Boomba]

so do chaos/pits/andy/cow runs usually turn out better uniques than just doing Hell andy over and over and over again?? im trying to get stuff that i can actually use for my nec or at least use to trade for better gear for all my chars.

[GraveDeath]

Plus the best thing about a fishies is pissing off everyone when you summon like 40+ guys. Thats the best!!!!!!!!!!:jig:


So eliquently put lol. but your right. its damn hilarious.:cool:

[garion]

so do chaos/pits/andy/cow runs usually turn out better uniques than just doing Hell andy over and over and over again?? im trying to get stuff that i can actually use for my nec or at least use to trade for better gear for all my chars.

i hate the pits i dunno why...i think cause theres no boss at the end

but andy/meph are great, diablo is decent for exp and some items (got shako from him recently)

summoner/nihk are fast and easy for items+keys (gota 199% tgods last night from summoner, and a double Dkey drop from nihk a nights ago...)...i don't much like doing countess runs....

baal hasn't been great for me lately...however WSK has been quite generous...i got a 25 life cold skiller over the weekend (granted the game crash so bnet didn't save my item :undecided: )...but i usually completely clear out WSK and pop all the tombs/chest....and i love reviving the black souls...

trav is great for money...and sometimes items....

anyways with tele...summoner is probably your fastest and easiest run...

[Boomba]

do hi meant hell meph. how is it fast when yo ugotta first get all your monsters summoned and then do the run?

[garion]

do hi meant hell meph. how is it fast when yo ugotta first get all your monsters summoned and then do the run?
i guess i just always summon as i do arcane (no lit immunes for my dream/dream) as they fall i add them to my mob....i really only need 3-5 skeles...but i like having a crowd :laugh: i than do trav...grab council revives and visit nihk....than i say prance through WSK and say hellow to baal....then i zoom on through chaos...and have a quick meeting with diablo...

and then its off to meph/andy/countess...run finished :grin: